CelticKnight
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I can't see Wales' Injured Players Replacement XV beating this Aussie side, to be honest.
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Rugby World Cup 2015 |OT|
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HHonestly, England didn't deserve to go through anyway... With the amount of mistakes they've made, they only have themselves to blame.
itchyass86
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Definitely true.
It's not a vital game as we are already through and they are. It will just be a match where us Welsh try and get through it without anymore injuries.
toweringinferno
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Still don't know why Steffon Armitage wasn't picked.
Considering how group B is panning out, it may be to our benefit to win or lose.
Nah me neither, so itll be us getting slaughtered by the Aussies in the quarters (so long as we get a result next weekend)
Great game, heartbreaking for England though. Sincerest commiserations for them and all their fans but only winning 1 out 3 matches just isn't what's needed.
England have some fantastic players and not all of them are called Mike Brown, it'll hurt for a long time but they will come back.
England have some fantastic players and not all of them are called Mike Brown, it'll hurt for a long time but they will come back.
Commentators are the worst I agree. John Motson is a complete dick and the only commentators I tolerate are Martin Tyler and Guy Mowbray. Rugby wise, Brian Moore is a king
I look at the Irish and Welsh rugby teams and then at the English one and I just wonder what the hell is going on with their development and coaching.
Where's the long-term planning? They've barely played two centres together since December.
Where the 'ethos' or 'personality' of the rugby they want to play? What kind of team are they supposed to even be?
Where's the consistency in selection?
Where's the leadership on the field?
Where's the intelligence and good decision making?
Where's the camaraderie between players?
Where's the one or two players with world-class talent who can dominate a game?
It just doesn't look like a well-put-together, thought through, well coached side, and I don't understand it. England should be able to put together much, much better.
Where's the long-term planning? They've barely played two centres together since December.
Where the 'ethos' or 'personality' of the rugby they want to play? What kind of team are they supposed to even be?
Where's the consistency in selection?
Where's the leadership on the field?
Where's the intelligence and good decision making?
Where's the camaraderie between players?
Where's the one or two players with world-class talent who can dominate a game?
It just doesn't look like a well-put-together, thought through, well coached side, and I don't understand it. England should be able to put together much, much better.
loool
30yearsofhurt
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lol indeed
England have fucked this up unbelievably.
You have four years to prepare and build a squad for a home world cup yet the first sign of a bad performance and you throw your tactics and selection policy, which you spent the last two years developing, and revert to the one route bosh through the middle. Over the last 4 seasons England slowly developed a harder edged squad and with the introduction of Ford and Joseph they had creativity and strike running in midfield. But they threw that all out the window following their struggles against Fiji in the opening game. Ford should never have been dropped following the Fiji match. You must have conviction in what you're building towards. To me it feels like Lancaster and his staff panicked and reverted to the style that hasn't brought any real success for them since 2003. Sam Burgess should never have been called up for this tournament. Horribly out of his depth and exposed alongside another stinker of a player in Barritt.
You have four years to prepare and build a squad for a home world cup yet the first sign of a bad performance and you throw your tactics and selection policy, which you spent the last two years developing, and revert to the one route bosh through the middle. Over the last 4 seasons England slowly developed a harder edged squad and with the introduction of Ford and Joseph they had creativity and strike running in midfield. But they threw that all out the window following their struggles against Fiji in the opening game. Ford should never have been dropped following the Fiji match. You must have conviction in what you're building towards. To me it feels like Lancaster and his staff panicked and reverted to the style that hasn't brought any real success for them since 2003. Sam Burgess should never have been called up for this tournament. Horribly out of his depth and exposed alongside another stinker of a player in Barritt.
LiquidSolid
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France couldn't best Tonga and yet they still managed to come within 2 points of winning the Cup. That's why I'm not panicking over our performance yesterday, it's a long tournament and a lot of things can happen.
Aus were tremendous, especially Pocock and Foley. England were undone by a bad game plan and horrible backline selections. They looked like a completely different team once Ford came on but they didn't have enough time or discipline to come back.
Congrats Aussie and Welsh fans, commiserations English fans.
IdreamofHIME
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Yep, the 100% focus on England in rugby themed commercials has pissed me off no end these past few weeks.
This feels like Karma.
SomedayTheFire
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Agree with all of this, shat themselves and decided blood and thunder was the way to go. Massive mistake. Can't believe anyone thought bringing Burgess was a good idea. He needs a LOT more time.
Can't believe the psychic meerkats were wrong.
CelticKnight
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I would say start over. Get a new coach in (maybe a "foreigner"), get a bunch of young, hungry players together and give them a 6 nations or 2 to grow together and see what happens.
But isn't that was this this squad was? Still technically on a "learning curve"? Or are they supposed to be the finished article already? And could you write off Lancaster's whole tenure as a failure so easily? I dunno.
I say stick with them. Coaches and players. They'll learn.
Pocock was amazing at the breakdown.
haha, now I'm wondering whether I'm the butt of the joke or the Irish
Dust has settled and I'm delighted Wales have escaped one of the toughest World Cup groups ever. But commiserations to England fans. Yes, a lot of the world will take great delight in tonight's result, and it's great that Wales contributed to it, but remembering the 2007 World Cup when The Coach That Shall Not Be Named led us into disaster, I know how much this sucks as a fan.
Nope, still think it's you.
SomedayTheFire
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Ireland have won 3 out of the last 6 Six Nations. But both are good!
He was sat on the bench for your two biggest games because Lancaster bottled it. It should be said that Ford isn't world class yet. He can still be patchy and let the occasion to him, but he has so much to offer. He's a brilliant passer and has excellent understanding of when and where to attack. Farrell is a competent kicker but hasn't a creative bone in his body. You've another great player in Joseph who unfortunately was injured and missed the Wales game. I still dont think it justified moving a nothing player in Barritt to 13 and shoehorning Burgess, another nothing player in rugby union into the starting side. Henry Slade should've been broght straight into the side as a replacement for Joseph. It was just a total bottle job. They sacrificed all their attacking ability for defence instead but got nothing from it.
phisheep
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I wonder how England will approach their selection for the Uruguay game next week. There's no need to rest players for anything, no point in experimenting with combinations, no purpose in the whole exercise. They might as well hold a raffle - except for dropping Burgess.
Yep. As well as a ton of majors in golf, olympic medals in awesome manly sports like sailing and literally every single GAA Football and Hurling title in the last century. (London are you even trying?!?). Other countries need to step up their game.
Great analysis. Dropping Ford was so clearly a mistake, Burgess was a huge error, and Barritt sucked the proverbial donkey's. This is supposed to be the culmination of years of careful planning. Instead they were all at sea.
Your?!? I'm pretty clearly Irish, friend
Agreed regarding Ford vs Farrell, and the Irish press were all over that decision. D'Arcy has written an amazingly cutting article in the Irish Times about Burgess and Barritt that was fucking excoriating. Seriously, read this shit. It's from a man who knows what he's talking about. Their back line was a mess.
SomedayTheFire
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Boxing too! You can't forget boxing.
I think they may as well start the build for the next 6 Nations. Nothing else to play for now I suppose. Ford, Joseph and Slade could be a very exciting midfield axis for years to come. It'll also shown how much they've fucked up by picking Farrell, Burgess and Barritt.
I'm glad the Ireland v France and Quarter-finals are on in Cardiff. Should still be a lot of craic happening there. England is going to be funeral-esque for a while, isn't it?
Shame on those fans that left early. You have to know in that situation that the camera will pick it up and make your entire fanbase look like glory-hunting morons.
Shame on those fans that left early. You have to know in that situation that the camera will pick it up and make your entire fanbase look like glory-hunting morons.
Oh right, it's a bit of simple ignorance on my part and also trying to take into account the larger impact in sports that are multinational. Granted I can't honestly say that I really appreciate Ireland's successes in Olympic settings as I don't follow the Olympics really. and golf is quite an individualistic sport, much like tennis.
Shit, forgot about boxing as well. Part of being English is also about being a complete ignorant buffoon.
SomedayTheFire
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Thought you were just talking Rugby, myself. Our biggest sports are two amateur games that barely get played outside of the island. We've been fairly decent and winning things in Rugby for a good time now.
England the first host to get knocked out of their own tournament in the group stages. I'm loving it I hate Genia's box kicks but I swear Phipps is secretly a Pom with that atrocious passing. Foley was denied a 3rd try with that intercept after being stopped without the ball but I'll happily take the win. That might have been the turning point had England mounted a comeback.
I hate Genia's box kicks but I swear Phipps is secretly a Pom with that atrocious passing. Foley was denied a 3rd try with that intercept after being stopped without the ball but I'll happily take the win. That might have been the turning point had England mounted a comeback.Fair play, and I would agree on your triumphs in the six nations (which i'd rather win than the World Cup) are impressive. We'll certainly see what happen post-O'Driscoll. but it'd be good to see you take away a WC (especially after the Wales win over England)
Strange, who's decision was it? He played well enough but there were plenty that played better.
That's the face of a broken man, cheer up buddy you've still got another game.He looks delighted.
30yearsofhurt
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