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Jason Schreier:
Just to clear up some confusion I've seen, the newly announced NCSoft Horizon MMO is different from the multiplayer Horizon game that's in development at Guerrilla Games. That one is Guerrilla's next big project.

Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier.bsky.social)

Reporter at Bloomberg | co-host of Triple Click | New York Times bestselling author of Play Nice + Press Reset + Blood, Sweat, and Pixels | jschreier@gmail.com

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[Botan32]

We've known that for years.

 

[Perrott]

It is not a "rumor".

Guerilla themselves acknowledged work on an internal Horizon online game back in 2023.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

It's literally non-news lol.

We even saw the early prototype screenshots and knew that R6 lead is working on this title.

 

[Jormatar]

Horizon game where you don't have to care about story or its boring characters and dialogue actually doesn't sound that bad as a concept. Combat was the best part of the series after all.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Nobody cares about such a project. They are so out of touch with the people who buy their consoles.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

This will be probably canceled and later on humiliated by the Tencent's copy.

Dear lord, Hermen needs to go.

 

[Sephimoth]

<size=99>FUCK OFF</size>

 

[anyasok]

Ok but didnt they say they are also working on horizon 3?

 

[Saber]

Hopefully is cancelled. At least a mobile game with Korean devs seems harmless.

 

[Generic]

The return of multiplayer Sony.

 

[Topher]

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Bernkastel]

MORPG in Decima Engine might look great

 

[XERXES_89]

Larian and CDPR are examples of good European studios with character and personality. Why can't Guerrilla be one of them instead of being so bland and boring?

 

[Lootlord]

And no fucks were given...

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Nobody cares about such a project.

 

[Valonquar]

So Monster Hunter but with robot dinosaurs?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Horizon game where you don't have to care about story or its boring characters and dialogue actually doesn't sound that bad as a concept. Combat was the best part of the series after all.

Give us AAA Ark: Survival Evolved and we all make billions.

Yes, I now talk about PlayStation Live Service like sports fans talk about "their" team.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

 

[Fbh]

Horizon game where you don't have to care about story or its boring characters and dialogue actually doesn't sound that bad as a concept. Combat was the best part of the series after all.

Yeah I agree. The world is cool and fighting the mechs is fun.
It's the boring story, awful characters, gps based open world design and generic open world padding that hold it back.

A game that's more gameplay focused where you go fight dino mechs with friends on nice Decima graphics actually sounds like it cool be fun

 

[adamsapple]

 

[Swauny Jones]

I really wish they'd revisit the Killzone franchise

 

[viveks86]

Ah. Now that explains why there is no console release for the NCSoft game.

 

[Zacfoldor]

I lost all faith in the studio after Horizon 2 sucked.

Now that they are making a MMO they are even worse. Eww. Man Sony has went to shit. Who even cares if their games are day and date anymore. What games?

 

[Fake]

I really wish they'd revisit the Killzone franchise

Most of the Sony first party will never visit old franchises again.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Nice! I was worried.

I wanted to play as my own fat Aloy!

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Welp that just dashed my one remaining means of rationalizing this strategy of theirs.

I had just thought, if the NCSoft and GG games were basically the same (with maybe some slight gameplay differences, different graphics, maybe some different characters) but GG were focused on the PS5 version while NCSoft focused on mobile & PC, THEN I could understand the NCSoft game skipping PS5. As in that scenario, the GG game would effectively be the same title, just different in some ways. Maybe think of some older SNES/Genesis multiplats with differences like Sparkster or Rondo of Blood/Dracula X (the latter as a more extreme example).

But it sounds like the GG title is fundamentally different at a root level, so these are effectively two very different games at their core, let alone in other areas. So, I'm back to the original question: why is the NCSoft game skipping PS5? Would it have been better to give the NCSoft game a more anime aesthetic, to scale back the parallels between it and GG's GAAS? Or is GG's game going for that Sea of Thieves style the leaked screenshots suggested? Are the two games going to be aesthetically similar, and GG don't want competition for their Horizon game on PS5 (e.g, maybe NCSoft's version turns out to be more popular on the console which embarrasses GG and Herman Hulst)?

The perception problem wouldn't even exist if SIE hadn't already spent five years porting like 95% of their releases between 2017 - 2024 to Windows PC platforms like Steam, but they did. So here we are :/

 

[owandeseis]

So that's why the NCsoft game didn't look like that early leak from Horizon's MP we saw years ago:

Doesn't make much sense to make 2 MP projects from that saga in a row but we'll see

 

[Zacfoldor]

Never forget Lego Horizon Adventures.

The flop that flopped so hard nobody even knew it flopped. The game that flopped so hard even flop trackers weren't tracking it. Someone thought that was a good idea. I'd rather play a tencent horizon game than anything from GG as long as I can remember. Never forget how hard mentally Horizon 2 was to make it thru and how you had to struggle to keep going before you quit at the beginning and still detest it to this day.

Also remember how hard it is to make a MMO good luck GG Horizon MMO fans. Remember how many resources. Surely this won't destroy the studio.

Hermen, what are you doing mate?

 

[DeepEnigma]

This will be probably canceled and later on humiliated by the Tencent's copy.

Dear lord, Hermen needs to go.

It does feel like too much nepotism around this IP, yeah.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

For the modern audience :

 

[N30RYU]

Why would they let ncsoft do an mmorpg if they plan on doing the same? What is the point?

 

[Thebonehead]

Just when I thought there wasn't enough Aloy news..

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Why would they let ncsoft do an mmorpg if they plan on doing the same? What is the point?

I have neither evidence nor doubt that execs bonuses depend on some IPs "engagement targets" and they are pumping this shit for their own benefit.

 

[Swauny Jones]

Most of the Sony first party will never visit old franchises again.

Why you gotta go break my heart like that

 

[StereoVsn]

I don't quite get this multi strategy push around Horizons IP. Isn't there an Amazon show as well or something? Is it that successful to keep throwing likes of money onto this thing?

 

[Lokaum D+]

Most of the Sony first party will never visit old franchises again.

we just need the right CEO, Jim started and Herman continues to kill the brand, we just need a new good head for PlayStation to make things right again.

 

[xanaum]

Man, someone really needs to take back control of Sony's first-party studios. I don't even know how much influence Hermen Hulst has on this, but this totally feels like his kind of decision, he's basically our Phil Spencer when it comes to screwing things up.

Who the hell cares about MMOs these days, and who's gonna care in the next generation?

Why not work on a new single-player IP, or at least something with optional multiplayer? Why not get Guerrilla a license for something like Insomniac got with Spider-Man and Wolverine, I dunno, Jurassic Park, Terminator, Avatar, whatever. Anything would be better than forcing them to make an MMO, and again, in the same damn Horizon universe that's already getting stale.

 

[Ar¢tos]

The lengths devs will go nowadays to avoid making the games players want...

 

[AZRoboto]

I don't quite get this multi strategy push around Horizons IP. Isn't there an Amazon show as well or something? Is it that successful to keep throwing likes of money onto this thing?

The show concept failed for one reason or another (could've been drama with the showrunner, could've also been the Horizon 2077 idea was dumb), so now they're adapting Horizon into a movie..

 

[EverydayBeast]

They need horizon 3 and end it, want to see Far Zenth not sure I care about Horizon beyond that.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I don't quite get this multi strategy push around Horizons IP. Isn't there an Amazon show as well or something? Is it that successful to keep throwing likes of money onto this thing?

It's by far their best IP in terms of broad appeal potential. It looks great in commercials and on posters.

You go up to any gamer and say "Open world action game with cool robot dinos" and basically everyone is a degree of interested.

People generally overvalue the importance of the quality of the first 2 games. They're trying to create their Star Wars.

 

[mckmas8808]

It's literally non-news lol.

We even saw the early prototype screenshots and knew that R6 lead is working on this title.

What screenshots?

 

[danklord]

We need to finish the fucking story it's on Act 3 and they're just going to create a full on MMO in between? What are they thinking?

 

[mckmas8808]

Welp that just dashed my one remaining means of rationalizing this strategy of theirs.

I had just thought, if the NCSoft and GG games were basically the same (with maybe some slight gameplay differences, different graphics, maybe some different characters) but GG were focused on the PS5 version while NCSoft focused on mobile & PC, THEN I could understand the NCSoft game skipping PS5. As in that scenario, the GG game would effectively be the same title, just different in some ways. Maybe think of some older SNES/Genesis multiplats with differences like Sparkster or Rondo of Blood/Dracula X (the latter as a more extreme example).

But it sounds like the GG title is fundamentally different at a root level, so these are effectively two very different games at their core, let alone in other areas. So, I'm back to the original question: why is the NCSoft game skipping PS5? Would it have been better to give the NCSoft game a more anime aesthetic, to scale back the parallels between it and GG's GAAS? Or is GG's game going for that Sea of Thieves style the leaked screenshots suggested? Are the two games going to be aesthetically similar, and GG don't want competition for their Horizon game on PS5 (e.g, maybe NCSoft's version turns out to be more popular on the console which embarrasses GG and Herman Hulst)?

The perception problem wouldn't even exist if SIE hadn't already spent five years porting like 95% of their releases between 2017 - 2024 to Windows PC platforms like Steam, but they did. So here we are :/

THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING OF ALL-TIME!!! Why make 2 Horizon Live Service games, where only one of them is on PS5?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING OF ALL-TIME!!! Why make 2 Horizon Live Service games, where only one of them is on PS5?

Monster Hunting Horizon for the PvE gamers.

Guerrillas Horizon for the PvP gamers?

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Guerrilla Games is like the viper in the Bible.

At first, you felt sorry for them because the Killzone franchise wasn't selling well, especially after their efforts with Killzone 2 on PS3.

You helped them because they were sympathetic.

But when you gave them the money, they grabbed your arm and slowly began to destroy PlayStation.

The same thing is happening with that company now.