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On Activision site to preorder it no matter if a casual watched the Showcase or not

When you fire up the Xbox app on PC

What do people want Xbox to go door to door?

Some of these bots here geez.

I'm going to assume (if true) this means commercials, ads, billboards and things like that as it gets closer to release.

Anyone thinking (or saying) they aren't going to market it at all is fucking dumb.

They are going to market the hell of it, the target of the advertising campaign is what is being questioned here. This is suggesting they aren't going to be using COD to push GamePass as the main target for advertising.

Nothing more.

 

[cash_longfellow]

I'm going to assume (if true) this means commercials, ads, billboards and things like that as it gets closer to release.

Anyone thinking (or saying) they aren't going to market it at all is fucking dumb.

They are going to market the hell of it, the target of the advertising campaign is what is being questioned here. This is suggesting they aren't going to be using COD to push GamePass as the main target for advertising.

Nothing more.

Saying you "assume" and then trying to call other posters "dumb" because they don't believe your weak ass thread is Uber balsy,

 

[Ozriel]

People talk about the showcases like everyone who owns a console watches them.

Newsflash: The vast majority of the gaming audience doesn't watch showcases and certainly doesn't microanalyze what language they put on the trailers. If they did that then the June Xbox showcase would have actually moved Xboxes.

Sony wins the contest because despite being a household name they still go where the customers are and do actual in-store marketing, actual advertisement on billboards and shit where ppl can see them etc.

So to end this, No, the vast majority of COD players won't know that it's coming day 1 to Gamepass unless Microsoft actually markets that fact.

A very significant percentage of the COD fanbase tuned in to the COD gameplay reveal and deep dive. Even more watched it on YouTube later. Either group saw it being advertised on GP day one.

I'm not sure the logic of your argument that a multiplatform Call of Duty was supposed to move Xbox consoles months before release

 

[poppabk]

They dont want to lose too many sales copies to GP.

Similar to Sony putting a nickel's worth of marketing and heads up notice into their PC ports. Half their PC ports probably got a powerpoint slide or a tweet about it and thats it.

Are you really that dense?
You think that Sony is spending the money to make these ports and then going out of their way to not have them sell?

 

[XXL]

Saying you "assume" and then trying to call other posters "dumb" because they don't believe your weak ass thread is Uber balsy,

You don't even understand what I wrote.

Where did I call anyone dumb for not believing the video in this thread?

This is what I said....

Anyone thinking (or saying) they aren't going to market it at all is fucking dumb.

You just got mad and your brain puked out some nonsense.

Let the adults talk.

 

[Brucey]

"isn't allowed"?

It's like listening to a Brandon speech that goes off the rails.

 

[cash_longfellow]

You don't even understand what I wrote.

Where did I call anyone dumb for not believing the video in this thread?

This is what I said....


You just got mad and your brain puked out some nonsense.

Let the adults talk.

You want the adults to talk…yet here you are calling people "dumb" and saying peoples brains "puked out some nonsense"…

The reason why you think adults aren't actually out here talking already is because you say some off the wall shit and get called out on it.

We can talk..I'm an adult…clearly you are not. But, do you want to discuss the reason why? Because I'm willing. I can delve into your initial post I replied to, that makes me "dumb"…Orrrr…you can't leave it there and not respond to my replies if you aren't mature enough to understand. Your call my friend

 

[XXL]

You want the adults to talk…yet here you are calling people "dumb" and saying peoples brains "puked out some nonsense"…

The reason why you think adults aren't actually out here talking already is because you say some off the wall shit and get called out on it.

We can talk..I'm an adult…clearly you are not. But, do you want to discuss the reason why? Because I'm willing. I can delve into your initial post I replied to, that makes me "dumb"…Orrrr…you can't leave it there and not respond to my replies if you aren't mature enough to understand. Your call my friend

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Anyone thinking (or saying) they aren't going to market it at all is fucking dumb.

heavily market COD being Day 1 on GamePass.

Remember when Grubb said HI-FI didn't meet expectations, then Greenberg posted that tweet about the game being a success in every key metric?

I had a feeling the "leak" was coming from Bethesda rather than MS/Xbox.... the point is:
Xbox (game studios), Xbox (Hardware / subscriptions) are not the same as Bethesda and ABK and all of the above are not the the same as MS. in others words: their visions or objectives are in conflict; it's a mess. (we know this due to their e-mail leaks)

This "leak" is ANOTHER example of complete confusion or uncertainty inside MS-Xbox and in this case, ABK

believing or not in this information is irrelevant when we've seen this company firsthand attempting to both sell and not sell a console simultaneously.

so yeah.. MS/Xbox/ABK can indeed exist in the same space time continum where every party is trying to accomplish the opposite goal the same time.

 

[SportsFan581]

So, they are going to market it in all the standard ways that they generally do when they add games on there?

 

[feynoob]

heavily market COD being Day 1 on GamePass.

Remember when Grubb said HI-FI didn't meet expectations, then Greenberg posted that tweet about the game being a success in every key metric?

I had a feeling the "leak" was coming from Bethesda rather than MS/Xbox.... the point is:
Xbox (game studios), Xbox (Hardware / subscriptions) are not the same as Bethesda and ABK and all of the above are not the the same as MS. in others words: their visions or objectives are in conflict; it's a mess. (we know this due to their e-mail leaks)

This "leak" is ANOTHER example of complete confusion or uncertainty inside MS-Xbox and in this case, ABK

believing or not in this information is irrelevant when we've seen this company firsthand attempting to both sell and not sell a console simultaneously.

so yeah.. MS/Xbox/ABK can indeed exist in the same space time continum where every party is trying to accomplish the opposite goal the same time.

No need for the tinfoil hat. The bonus structure metric at bethesda/activision isnt the same the ones that MS/Xbox have. The employees there are mad for not getting those bonuses.



(crazy fanboy podcast)

one of the reddit comment

The discussion is about Zenimax specifically, to be clear.

They had a bonus structure around sales metrics for their games, and what it sounds like is Microsoft does not report these figures, and thus has NOT paid out any bonuses to Zenimax employees. Bonuses that would have been large with Starfield finally launching.

It always seemed like Zenimax specifically wasnt keen on the exclusivity changes to their games, and this is one result of that move. The Pete Hines emails help to back that up.

Also explains why most of the rumored games to become multiplat have been titles coming out of Zenimax.

Gamepass metric is the cross road conflict.

Its also an industry wide problem for those who rely on this metric.

Sources: Despite Huge Sales, Borderlands 3 Developers Are Getting Stiffed On Bonuses

The video game Borderlands 3 was a big sales success when it launched last fall, according to its publisher, 2K, which described it as “a billion-dollar global brand.” That’s why it was shocking to employees at Gearbox, the developer of the game, when the studio’s CEO, Randy Pitchford, told them...

kotaku.com

The video game Borderlands 3 was a big sales success when it launched last fall, according to its publisher, 2K, which described it as "a billion-dollar global brand." That's why it was shocking to employees at Gearbox, the developer of the game, when the studio's CEO, Randy Pitchford, told them yesterday that they would not receive the significant royalty bonuses they expected.

Employees at the studio will get small bonus checks, but nothing close to the tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands that many had expected. This account is based on conversations with six people close to Gearbox, all speaking anonymously because they were not authorized to talk about what happened. Some said it was crushing news that has upended their financial plans for the future.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

No need for the tinfoil hat

no need for that.
Now search the email from Pete Hines to Phil.

 

[mckmas8808]

They dont want to lose too many sales copies to GP.

Similar to Sony putting a nickel's worth of marketing and heads up notice into their PC ports. Half their PC ports probably got a powerpoint slide or a tweet about it and thats it.

THIS!

 

[feynoob]

no need for that.
Now search the email from Pete Hines to Phil.

Pete hines didnt do any favour for himself. The guy let redfall situation go for too long. Then had the audacity to say this.

Pete Hines Believes People Will Play Redfall Ten Years From Now

Pete Hines has gone on record stressing that people will be playing Redfall on Game Pass 'ten years from now', and that it's going to get better.

insider-gaming.com

just like 343i, he played around too much.

Phil should have had hands on these situation. But the entire management is just crap.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Pete hines didnt do any favour for himself. The guy let redfall situation go for too long. Then had the audacity to say this.

Pete Hines Believes People Will Play Redfall Ten Years From Now

Pete Hines has gone on record stressing that people will be playing Redfall on Game Pass 'ten years from now', and that it's going to get better.

insider-gaming.com

just like 343i, he played around too much.

that's not the email

 

[feynoob]

that's not the email

You mean this?


That is just normal. Nothing that serious. The state of redfall is much worse than whatever in this email. Plus MS had to comply with the ftc/regulatory to make the deal happen.

 

[adamsapple]

no need for that.
Now search the email from Pete Hines to Phil.

Is that the one where they talked about ending game pass before CoD Blops 6 comes out?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

You mean this?

yes

That is just normal. Nothing that serious.

It establishes that an entity is in two opposing states at the same time.

and this is not the only example:

Sarah Bond established the number of Game Pass subscribers, combining GP Ultimate and CORE as one group, even though one offers Day One games and the other does not

So, let's say this: If someone from Core or Standard upgrades to Ultimate, does it count as a brand new Game Pass subscriber or not?.


well, actually because we are taking about MS here, I assure you they will use quantum mechanics to find a way to make it work.

so, when you think about it, MS marketing COD on Game Pass and not marketing COD on Game Pass is in fact the only logical conclusion.

The state of redfall is much worse than whatever in this email. Plus MS had to comply with the ftc to make the deal happen.

This has nothing to do with my point.

 

[SkylineRKR]

GP would've been so much better for MS without day ones being there. It could still thrive on its backlog of games that appear like a year after release on top of some smaller indies appearing day one. This way you don't hurt the retail sector nearly as much. Like with Sony, everyone knows and expects they have to buy the new God of War or Spider Man if they want to play them when they're new. Eventually those games appear on Plus as well, but long enough to not hinder sales.

CoD is a big fish, its understandable that MS prefer to not put it on GP. MS not only wants to sell Xbox copies, but Playstation copies as well. I think they would be most succesful by just putting it up for sale only. But now they would piss off their userbase who expects everything on GP day one.

 

[Jesb]

This is as dumb as Sony investing in vr and not supporting it.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Let it sell to those that want to buy it.

And those that want to play on gamepass and then maybe move on that's cool too.

Ive never been huge on COD but I enjoy a dabble. The campaigns are fun but I wouldn't want to pay.

Gamepass is perfect for me.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

I've heard this for years now. Here's to a few more!

They've had to keep spending tens of billions of dollars that they'll never make back just to curate content for the service, it doesn't work lol.

 

[N30RYU]

So they wanna fool its userbase into buying something they get for free? lol

 

[TheRaidenPT]

The great thing about this is that now we can try the game on release for cheap instead of having to go through the whole 79.99$ process every year.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Microsoft is schizophrenic. Go see a shrink. Or a marriage counselor.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Outdated for Apple… but still…

 

[Frwrd]

 

[DenchDeckard]

On Activision site to preorder it no matter if a casual watched the Showcase or not

When you fire up the Xbox app on PC

What do people want Xbox to go door to door?

Some of these bots here geez.

Maybe they want it to be Astro Turfed out the wazzoo, then they can complain about how gamepass and BLOPS6 is being forced down their throat by evil Microsoft.

 

[cireza]

Rumor about random, unknown guys claiming stuff. Amazing premise for a warrior thread.

 

[spons]

Who the fuck are these people? I kinda want to start my own podcast and claim ludicrous things just for attention now. Seems so simple for these guys.

 

[feynoob]

yes

It establishes that an entity is in two opposing states at the same time.

and this is not the only example:

Sarah Bond established the number of Game Pass subscribers, combining GP Ultimate and CORE as one group, even though one offers Day One games and the other does not

So, let's say this: If someone from Core or Standard upgrades to Ultimate, does it count as a brand new Game Pass subscriber or not?.


well, actually because we are taking about MS here, I assure you they will use quantum mechanics to find a way to make it work.

so, when you think about it, MS marketing COD on Game Pass and not marketing COD on Game Pass is in fact the only logical conclusion.


This has nothing to do with my point.

The entire point of that email was them not putting their games on PS. It has nothing to do with gamepass.

Gamepass is not on PS, so it's a sale copies for them. Equal more bonus.

MS is putting Activision games on PS, but not Bethesda games. So Pete here is not ok with that idea and is looking out for Todd here.

He also doesn't appreciate MS communication talk about more gamers, when they actively blocking the game from PS. Since that means the game would have less platforms to be played.

It's a nothing burger email. Not worth the tinfoil hat theory.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

All the more reason an expensive to develop game that millions of people are happily willing to spend $70 and more on doesn't make sense being on a subscription service. I know they want those Gamepass numbers to increase, but I feel they are probably going to lose so much money on COD once people find out it's on Gamepass.

 

[feynoob]

Who the fuck are these people? I kinda want to start my own podcast and claim ludicrous things just for attention now. Seems so simple for these guys.

Podcast these days are too easy to make. Just a pick a random bulshit topic and people will tune in to watch it.

 

[Three]

Plot twist: They knew people would make threads of this silly idea and we're all part of the marketing now.

 

[Topher]

Sure didn't stop them from revealing the game right after the Xbox "E3" June showcase and had gamepass plastered all over it

yeah.....I don't get this at all really. How are they not being "allowed" to market Call of Duty?

It's simple logic.

Xbox game COD = Day1 gamepass.

Marketing won't matter in this place.

Marketing Call of Duty has always mattered. Sony used to pay a shitton to be able to market Call of Duty as did Microsoft before Sony. Either way, as with all the examples, including the trailer you posted, seems pretty obvious that marketing Call of Duty on Game Pass isn't being limited.

 

[VitoNotVito]

Not sure about the other person, but you do now who sidvicious69 is. Thats Parris. He's now a random? Not calling him an insider or anything.

WTF is "parris"? Incorrectly spelled Paris?

 

[Topher]

WTF is "parris"? Incorrectly spelled Paris?

No, that's his name.

x.com

x.com

 

[Three]

yeah.....I don't get this at all really. How are they not being "allowed" to market Call of Duty?

It's very likely that xbox as a division wants a bigger budget for marketing but MS has rejected it. Hence MS isn't 'allowing' xbox to market it.

It's probably the same news as this:

"We're not blessed with big marketing budgets," Xbox's EMEA marketing lead laments Microsoft's lack of investment - Windows Central

Recently, a newsletter by Tom Warren over at The Verge suggested that Microsoft has been exploring giving up on marketing its Xbox brand in Europe and other regions, in favor of the United States and other territories where it is more entrenched. Now, we have some confirmation that those rumors...

www.neogaf.com

But being repeated by insiders with some added 'mystery' for clickbait and engagement.

 

[feynoob]

It's very likely that xbox as a division wants a bigger budget for marketing but MS has rejected it. Hence MS isn't 'allowing' xbox to market it.

It's probably the same news as this:

"We're not blessed with big marketing budgets," Xbox's EMEA marketing lead laments Microsoft's lack of investment - Windows Central

Recently, a newsletter by Tom Warren over at The Verge suggested that Microsoft has been exploring giving up on marketing its Xbox brand in Europe and other regions, in favor of the United States and other territories where it is more entrenched. Now, we have some confirmation that those rumors...

www.neogaf.com

But being repeated by insiders with some added 'mystery' for clickbait and engagement.

Yeah this is the issue. MS already cut Xbox marketing to the gutter. They arent going to give them more budget. They will let activision do the marketing instead.
It could be the reason why the reports are vague. Activision has solid marketing, Xbox doesnt.

 

[Negotiator101]

Must be true

 

[Topher]

It's very likely that xbox as a division wants a bigger budget for marketing but MS has rejeceted it. Hence MS isn't 'allowing' xbox to market it.

It's probably the same news as this:

"We're not blessed with big marketing budgets," Xbox's EMEA marketing lead laments Microsoft's lack of investment - Windows Central

Recently, a newsletter by Tom Warren over at The Verge suggested that Microsoft has been exploring giving up on marketing its Xbox brand in Europe and other regions, in favor of the United States and other territories where it is more entrenched. Now, we have some confirmation that those rumors...

www.neogaf.com

But being repeated by insiders with some added 'mystery' for clickbait and engagement.

yeah.....Parris left it to "due to various reasons", but there is a pretty massive difference between not getting the budget needed to market Call of Duty on Game Pass and not being "allowed" to which has little to no context. I think you are probably right though and this is about Microsoft's ultra-tight marketing purse strings more than anything else. Or......Microsoft actually wants COD sales over GP subs.

 

[feynoob]

Plot twist: They knew people would make threads of this silly idea and we're all part of the marketing now.

That is just the smart tactic now these days. Say some dumb shit, people spread it, Now you have more attention. Its very effective if you want to use it for marketing purpose.

Assasin creed shadow and star wars outlaw got alot coverage because of that.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Quite silly notion tbh.

Will MS limit it's marketing in any way? No. But at the same time MS marketing is very limited to US/UK only thanks to miserable WW sales, so there's that. But that could be said about all Xbox games, not only CoD.

3 pages of hot air over nothing.

 

[feynoob]

yeah.....Parris left it to "due to various reasons", but there is a pretty massive difference between not getting the budget needed to market Call of Duty on Game Pass and not being "allowed" to which has little to no context. I think you are probably right though and this is about Microsoft's ultra-tight marketing purse strings more than anything else.

Its cheaper to have gamepass on their website and Xbox. Gamepass doesnt exist on other platforms, so its kind waste to pour extra money for it.

 

[feynoob]

Quite silly notion tbh.

Will MS limit it's marketing in any way? No. But at the same time MS marketing is very limited to US/UK only thanks to miserable WW sales, so there's that. But that could be said about all Xbox games, not only CoD.

3 pages of hot air over nothing.

Even with that limitation, they marketing department sucks badly. Especially when you have this guy.

This is just too much

 

[Topher]

Its cheaper to have gamepass on their website and Xbox. Gamepass doesnt exist on other platforms, so its kind waste to pour extra money for it.

Good point. Very well could be Microsoft doesn't want COD marketing be centered on any one platform/service. The vast majority of Call of Duty BO6 customers are going to be where Game Pass isn't: Steam and PlayStation.

 

[Ronin_7]

Microsoft is well ran business confirmed.

Xbox is a poorly ran one though.

 

[Stafford]

Probably more to do with some legal issues than anything else. Clause in the Sony stuff or streaming right I dunno but there is some reason. Maybe they also don't want to limit the income on new sales as people will not buy the full versions and pay 15.00 and play their fill of the game. Also do we know if the full game is being released on gamepass or just multiplayer or just single player campaign?


Also they state massively (whatever that means) promote so I assume we do get some promotion on it

Yeah, I highly doubt MS doesn't want to, it's way more likely that they just can't.

 

[anthony2690]

I guess Xbox YouTube missed the memo? Unless something changed since the reveal?

 

[cash_longfellow]

Indeed it is.