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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Boy Wander
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How would digital work with games on cart? Optional HDD?
Graphics Horse
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Stick a powerfull SoC in a comfortably sized screenless controller that can stream to any smart device via a custom app, sell it for $150.
Sell a detatchable, maybe autostereoscopic & low spec tablet that connects the top of the controller for $100. Sell a compatible multimedia hdmi stick that plugs into a tv for $50.
Any of these display receiving devices can be classed as an 'scd' and take care of additional tasks. Nofhing crazy but no cloud required.
So someone decided to make a fake Twitch Stream. Un-fucking-believable.
https://www.twitch.tv/nintendo_events
https://www.twitch.tv/nintendo_events
The thirst is real.
Milly Osworth
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i will be staring at it for the next 16 hours.
James Scott
Banned
Benefits of using cartridges:
No need to install; just plug 'n play.
Saves hard drive space with most consoles having to install massive files for games now a days (likely because Disc read speeds aren't fast enough)
Have the cartridges playable on both means you won't overship one version and that singular version would be more valuable (maintaining Its price/sales)
Retailers can feel better about granting Nintendo more shelf space with smaller packaging.
Smaller packaging can also mean lowered shipping costs.
Reduce costs with smaller hard drives. They're less necessary without all the installs.
Save on the disc drive which increases the cost and size of the machine.
Make a smaller device that uses less energy that's less prone to breaking with less moving parts. (Sounds like something Nintendo would value)
Cons:
Potential cost of game issue.
For 3rd parties Nintendo can lower licensing costs to make up for it (but that means less money through licensing...but it might be worth the money they save on everything else)
Sound good? Am I missing anything on either side?
Do you guys think this is the ideal solution?
No need to install; just plug 'n play.
Saves hard drive space with most consoles having to install massive files for games now a days (likely because Disc read speeds aren't fast enough)
Have the cartridges playable on both means you won't overship one version and that singular version would be more valuable (maintaining Its price/sales)
Retailers can feel better about granting Nintendo more shelf space with smaller packaging.
Smaller packaging can also mean lowered shipping costs.
Reduce costs with smaller hard drives. They're less necessary without all the installs.
Save on the disc drive which increases the cost and size of the machine.
Make a smaller device that uses less energy that's less prone to breaking with less moving parts. (Sounds like something Nintendo would value)
Cons:
Potential cost of game issue.
For 3rd parties Nintendo can lower licensing costs to make up for it (but that means less money through licensing...but it might be worth the money they save on everything else)
Sound good? Am I missing anything on either side?
Do you guys think this is the ideal solution?
ShadowFox08
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If you read all the rumors on the front page, its impossible not to get hyped...
Unless you just stop reading any rumors all together until E3...
We've got some believable ballpark rumours telling us the system will at at least be decently powerful.
But the warnings against high expectations for cutting edge results still stand: A) It's unlikely 3rd parties, those who release games at all, are going out of their way to make the NX version all it could be. They'll play it low risk, low effort. B) Several of the Nintendo games are likely to have started out on Wii U and may not take full advantage of the system's power. and C) the original NX games still represent a Nintendo in unfamiliar terrain of cutting edge graphics. AND D) if it's true that handheld and console divisions are all making games for the same system, we're likely to see quite a few more "low-key" games, modest-looking rpgs, puzzle games, etc.
So even if this is PS4-levels, or above PS4, we shouldn't expect cutting edge will be the norm. And I've said before, expecting a launch line-up to give us all the software breadth we want is always unrealistic.
But the warnings against high expectations for cutting edge results still stand: A) It's unlikely 3rd parties, those who release games at all, are going out of their way to make the NX version all it could be. They'll play it low risk, low effort. B) Several of the Nintendo games are likely to have started out on Wii U and may not take full advantage of the system's power. and C) the original NX games still represent a Nintendo in unfamiliar terrain of cutting edge graphics. AND D) if it's true that handheld and console divisions are all making games for the same system, we're likely to see quite a few more "low-key" games, modest-looking rpgs, puzzle games, etc.
So even if this is PS4-levels, or above PS4, we shouldn't expect cutting edge will be the norm. And I've said before, expecting a launch line-up to give us all the software breadth we want is always unrealistic.
James Scott
Banned
On the whole power thing, as long as Nintendo ditches power PC I think it's more likely that it'll be decently speced but don't expect "better performance than Ps4k"
Play it safe and expect sub ps4 performance (devs won't put in as much effort as the ps4 ports especially not the first year)
Play it safe and expect sub ps4 performance (devs won't put in as much effort as the ps4 ports especially not the first year)
That actually sounds realistic and very possible. Hoping it's true because having a greater feature set would be fantastic for the NX even if it doesn't have the raw power of a PS4k, EAD developers always bring the most out of the hardware they're given. Often times I think they push hardware more than Naughty Dog.
Cautiously optimistic now. Just hoping we get official news on something NX related soon. Maybe Trevelyan will come back for some new leaks as well.
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James Scott
Banned
Someone posted that saving money on packaging (since cartridges are smaller than discs) could help them be comparible in costs.
As mentioned in my post, Nintendo could reduce licensing costs to 3rd parties to keep the cost of producing the carts for them smaller.
As for Nintendo, there's a lot of benefits for using carts that would make up for it.
Save costs from the console, get benefits at retail/shipping, etc
Same as on WiiU. Small internal SSD + USB HDD.
When you turn on NX, and see the graphics, you will say "wow
, I expected 4K 60 FPS gameplay with HairWorks, MSAA and Ambient Occlusion, but this Mario game is in 720p and doesn't have any AA at all.
James Scott
Banned
10k singlehandedly destroyed Nintendo with his extreme speculation
hope these don't spread too much because either way people will be disappointed instead of pleasantly surprised
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reelbigtink
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I think we all know your opinion on the matter, and we also know these rumors could end up being completely wrong. It's just fun to get hyped about.
They probably won't interact from the look of things. It would be nice if they did! Like you said, they'll probably add new features and things. However, I'm also thinking they won't interact because the lack of an (at least standard/comparable) screen that would make playing these games somewhat different between consoles. (So that no one gets an unintentional advantage.)
10k, I'm sure you have more important things to do, but wondering about the wording, were your sources pretty unanimous in saying these were remasters, or did they call them ports or otherwise? Any idea the actions behind remastering these select titles?
Here's what EA has said publicly about 6 months ago on a conference call with investors:
I'd play games on a Nintendo Fridge! (Great quotes! I remember them.)
Peter, you're finally a full Member!
I agree; lots of gaming possibilities. Nintendo is still stating their goal is to make people smile. They are going to be pushing gamification and turning more and more people into regular gamers, whatever their devices (primarily theirs and on mobile), I just know it! Like, as opposed to the Wii making it functionally easier for others to game, it'll be about access to gaming and making gaming part of life.
Exactly! Gaming everywhere, with everything, and how to improve life! An extra screen and remote play MAY play into that somehow, depending how they do it, but that's not completely it at all. They've got some sort of strategy, and trying to suss that out is a lot of the fun to me!
While we're on this uncontrollable hype train to hell, spyder_monkey should update the OP to reflect that 10k found another source for that Polaris rumor.
I wasn't aware that I was so famous. Or that an opinion can be stated only once. Per day? Per thread? Per life? How does it work?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
To be fair, I think most of us are being skeptical about new console(s) but we just want to discuss about it so I don't think it would equal as hype, right?
what happened?
Opinions are only available at 5:00PM, Monday through Thursdays, and only when provided with a teaspoon. All other opinions are moot.
Except mine, my opinions are available 25/8, all the time and do not subscribe to the arrow-of-time. If you observe my opinion, you collapse it and change its state in all time and in all space and any wrong-or-rightness is all because you just had to come in and read my opinion and collapse the wavefunction. You bastards!
I wish I still had my NX superposition equation, because that's exactly where we are now... haha.
Shang
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SuperLeviathan
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If the whole library isn't shared between handheld and console, then the remasters being shared at least would make sense.
They'd at least be of popular titles (no one is really going to go crazy over cross play for Mario Tennis). They'd also serve the same purpose as remasters would on the console, to fill the schedule (similar to how the N64 ports did for the 3DS in its earliest days). On top of that, we have the precedent of the 3DS getting Wii games.
They'd at least be of popular titles (no one is really going to go crazy over cross play for Mario Tennis). They'd also serve the same purpose as remasters would on the console, to fill the schedule (similar to how the N64 ports did for the 3DS in its earliest days). On top of that, we have the precedent of the 3DS getting Wii games.
That was already the 3d printed controller.
He said he found another source that he's very confident in, separate from the playeressence source, claiming the gpu to be Polaris based.
I'm a "someone" now?
This is without mentioning that the reduction in repair costs for the most commonly-broken component on a console can be money accounted for as an estimated savings.
And from Nintendo's end, if they have games running on more than one hardware SKU, their marketing spend drastically reduces and can be spent more efficiently, for even more money that is saved.
Savings like these allow Nintendo to opt to take a shave on royalties and other expenses to get people on board with cartridges again, knowing that the money has been recovered via other avenues.
There are a LOT of monetary savings to be had going back to a cartridge business model for all parties involved, depending on how things are done. Not to mention that in the modern era, cartridges astoundingly look like a more "modern" media solution.
James Scott
Banned
YeahI'm a "someone" now?
This is without mentioning that the reduction in repair costs for the most commonly-broken component on a console can be money accounted for as an estimated savings.
And from Nintendo's end, if they have games running on more than one hardware SKU, their marketing spend drastically reduces and can be spent more efficiently, for even more money that is saved.
Savings like these allow Nintendo to opt to take a shave on royalties and other expenses to get people on board with cartridges again, knowing that the money has been recovered via other avenues.
There are a LOT of monetary savings to be had going back to a cartridge business model for all parties involved, depending on how things are done. Not to mention that in the modern era, cartridges astoundingly look like a more "modern" media solution.
Seems like a lot of good can come from it if they go forward with it
DaSorcerer7
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So 3 sources now?
Yeah, now it's Konami Conference time! Perfect.
Graphics Horse
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lol.. you KNOW it won't. Do they not supply a usb one for Wii U?
They still sell the USB to ethernet port from the original Wii. They didn't even bother to put a Wii U logo on the box
http://playeressence.com/nintendo-n...ler-gimmick-ps4k-power-luigi-mansion-3-rumor/
Those people(in the comments) are mad on us
Specially the lady "Getagrip". She says that our rumors are wrong and that the device is streaming only to mobile or some gamepad device. She uses metaldev as source.
Maybe she is a bit nuts, or just angry
Those people(in the comments) are mad on us
Specially the lady "Getagrip". She says that our rumors are wrong and that the device is streaming only to mobile or some gamepad device. She uses metaldev as source.
Maybe she is a bit nuts, or just angry
frankie_baby
Member
It won't, everyone and their mum has WiFi and for the 3% of people that would be bothered they can just get a USB adapter
V
Vilix
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If the Wii and Wii U didn't have one the chances are neal to none.
Well I dunno if you wanna include non-10k brand(tm) sources in the OP.
Yes!!! That's how I'm thinking too!
The SCD stuff doesn't have to be anything wild right off the bat. They'll probably want to play with it some first with some little things to test it out. Some weaker tech in sleep mode, given the ability to handle some background things (like OS management or what have you) could still speed up/improve the gaming experience somehow anyways, much less if multiple little things are taking part in this boosting effect!
I want a Nintendo gaming-centric tablet that is autostereoscopic! They have to really compete for pocket space now more than ever in their history. Make it a bit different but useful from a gaming perspective, but with some other tablet-ish functions, and it could be really great.
Yeah, all the stuff with 3rd parties...The environment is just so different anymore. It all changes month by month really. We're not exposed to all the workings going on and can't make a judgment on anything really. Good post! Fully agree with you!
I do! You've got more pros than cons! I certainly think it'd be a great way to go for all those reasons! Will they though? Maybe not, but I think many think that it would!
Just wondering, is Konami their first focus still console/handheld games?
I believed that they moved to casino gaming, because they could earn more from it.
Miss castlevania, believe it's gone forever.
Boy Wander
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I know this is Nintendo we're talking about, but it doesn't make sense for NX to not be at least as powerful as PS4. Wii was an anomaly and they fucked up on Wii U in terms of it being more akin to PS3 than PS4. They're unlikely to make that mistake again. Even if 3rd party support isn't stellar initially, they at least have to make sure that ports can happen without too much hassle if sales turn out to be decent.
NX will have everything you want and more.
Kissenkopf
Banned
http://playeressence.com/nintendo-n...ler-gimmick-ps4k-power-luigi-mansion-3-rumor/
Those people(in the comments) are mad on us
Specially the lady "Getagrip". She says that our rumors are wrong and that the device is streaming only to. Mobile or some gamepad device. She uses metaldev as source.
Maybe she is a bit nuts, or just angry
In my mind she is writing these comments while drinking mayonaise.
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