I guess until they bore other posters. If people get too hyped, it's their own fault. Nothing has been stated as fact, 10k has provided ample context. Mods have seen the "evidence" and deemed it "ok" to post as rumor.
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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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I guess until they bore other posters. If people get too hyped, it's their own fault. Nothing has been stated as fact, 10k has provided ample context. Mods have seen the "evidence" and deemed it "ok" to post as rumor.
I think every poster if free to bore anybody. Otherwise this forum would be quite empty.
On a more serious note, what if the SCD is the one that is equipped with a Polaris GPU? That would make more sense from a cost perspective.
Dark Cloud
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I really WISHED Nintendo would surprise us with a very dormant IP like Star Tropics reboot, Mother 4 (I know Itoi doesn't want to make it), F-Zero or even an Eternal Darkness 2.
This would be the most amazing thing to see more than 3D Mario and Zelda NX. I love the surprise of a very dormant IP just coming back out of nowhere. Imagine how hype would be through the roof if Retro were working on an Eternal Darkness 2 or Star Tropics reboot in full 3D and it was revealed at E3?!
This would be the most amazing thing to see more than 3D Mario and Zelda NX. I love the surprise of a very dormant IP just coming back out of nowhere. Imagine how hype would be through the roof if Retro were working on an Eternal Darkness 2 or Star Tropics reboot in full 3D and it was revealed at E3?!
ultrazilla
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This is simply not true. It depends on the wording of the NDA but you most certainly can be arrested and imprisoned for breaking of nda-i.e. divulging "trade secrets" etc.
http://www.ndasforfree.com/4StepstoTake.html
http://www.mintzerlaw.com/white-col...t-what-is-it-and-what-happens-if-you-break-it
Folks, be careful with the NDA stuff.
It's flat out wrong to tell folks they won't go to jail for breaking an NDA.
How would that make more sense? Putting a lot of R&D in something many will not buy. How are you going to "sell" this to developers?
I'm still not sure if the Nintendo fanbase will be as disappointed as the Sony fanbase come E3. I'll be fun to see which side has the bigger meltdowns. It might seem easy to say that it'll be Nintendo fans, but most of us know that our expectations are high. If those expectations aren't met, we'll be disappointed but we'll know that it's because we expected too much. It's also too late to lower expectations because if it just meets those lowered expectations it might actually make things worse. Compare these attitudes:
"Damn! I was hoping for better. Well, this is still pretty good but I wish that it were more..."
vs.
"Well, that's what I expected. I knew it wouldn't be that great."
Not really a huge difference when you think about it, except that the second one enters with a negative attitude and has those feelings confirmed, which may cause the person to have negative feelings toward the console itself. It also flips if it actually meets the high "expectations" (more like hopes... more on that later), as the person with those "expectations" will be excited that the console the expected is real, while the second person is just surprised and probably not all that giddy.
What we're talking about here aren't true "expectations" though. Most people here are just really hoping that these rumors are true because these rumors exceed their expectations. The real I don't think that anybody here actually truly expects all of this to be true. Hopes drive hype more than expectations do. We all know that these hopes might not be met, even if we think those hopes have a high chance of happening. Basically, I think that high hopes + positive expectations >>>> negative expectations. And then what happens if it's even worse than you expect? Well... That'll sting to say the least. I think that most people here are just positive about the console and hoping for something really great rather than thinking, "Yes! This is what NX will be! I'm so excited that this will actually happen!"
Now the PS4k guys... Some of them are screwed. They have high hopes and high expectations of this huge difference in graphics and even 4k gaming. You're going to have a number of people wondering why it even exists when they see that they still need a DF report to fully understand what is gained. Then there's the chance that it won't even be at E3...
EDIT: That said, I do think that actual third-party expectations might be too high and a set-up for disappointment. The same goes for the shared library, actually.
We had 4GB carts for 3DS and Vita 4 years ago. technically 3DS carts can go up to 8GB but it was never used as far as I know. Whether that was because it was too expensive or simply because no game needed that much space is unknown.
It's possible that we're getting to the point were static storage is eclipsing the capacity of optical discs.
If we assume mask rom has basically followed Moores law, 8MB in 1996 (Super Mario 64) would be roughly equivalent to 80 GB today. Even if it's a bit more expensive than discs it should be a very different situation than back then when the absolute biggest, super expensive carts were still only a tenth of the size of a CD.
AcademicSaucer
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If they go with carts they still need to include a big hard drive if they want people buying digital copies of retail games.
You're working under the assumption that Nintedo does things for other developers.
It makes more sense because Nintendo could sell a SCD more expensive than a console. If their SDK is designed to work with the SCD like in the patent, at least a bigger resolution and/or framework should be possible without too much effort.
8GB for 3DS was a cost issue. Remember that Capcom raised the price of Resident Evil Revelations for 3DS due to the bigger cart size needed for the game.
Well that doesn't sound promising.
frankie_baby
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They tried to but put it back to 40 bucks before launch after the backlash
The game dropped in price super fast after launch. I don't think it's an issue.
KojiKnight
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Depends on what type of tech the cart uses... if you use cheap carts, it will be cheaper to produce, but the transfer rate won't be any better than CDVDRays.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I wonder what this will collapse to.
No.
frankie_baby
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Wouldn't have thought so but Sony have got form for updating controllers mid gen
Pokemaniac
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It seems likely that the eShop is the culprit there. Digital games >4GB would be a bit of a challenge with the 3DS using FAT32 for the SD Card.
Always-honest
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Hopefully just in quality.
I know Capcom used the 4GB card as one of the reasons for the price hike, but it was also a pretty high budget 3DS game so I can easily understand them wanting to sell it for 50$. MGS3 was another early 4GB game didn't have a higher price IIRC.
and in general there are very few 3DS games of that fidelity and I struggle to think of any games that would need close to 8GB even if price wasn't an issue. Some of the biggest games are only about 2.5-3GB in the eshop despite using a 4GB cart, so it's not like they're holding back to fit into the cart
Edit: according to this thread the biggest 3DS game I can find is Xenoblade 3D, at 3.6GB which isn't very close to the 4GB cap
Graphics Horse
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Doesn't Moore's law take area into account? dgm carts were obviously smaller than console ones and DS cards smaller still.
Starting with DS, Apperently the sole largest launch title was 128MB, Xx V Xy: Dawn of Touching.
Double that every 2 years and I think it gets to 4GB in 2012: edit: no, 2GB! So it seems to be doing ok vs Moore's Law.
UnemployedVillain
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Why are people mentioning 8GB cards when the minimum a non-disc medium would need to have is 25 (possible 50GB), the same as a dual layer bluray? And it'd need to be a comparable cost
They were talking about the 3ds.
Welp. This ride just keeps getting more and more interesting.
Pokemaniac
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was much closer if you included the update partition. Unless that's on a separate chip or something. I'm not terribly well versed on the internals of 3DS carts.
UnemployedVillain
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Yeah, I realize that, but the point is that for this to be viable they'd need to be MUCH bigger
Yup, which is ARMv8 based.
Problem is that K12 will come out in 2017, so we don't know if Nintendo can actually use that, or if they're willing to bet that it will be ready in time for the portable mass production towards the end of 2016/first months of 2017.
I don't think he's lying about having sources, but his sources are probably lying to him.
thegodsend
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JetSetRadio
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Spot goes to shitland will be there at launch.
frankie_baby
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and they will be since the 3DS was released 5 years ago
OmegaDL50
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No different then how digital works on any other console.
Optical Disk or Carts are just a storage medium. They still ultimately accomplish the same thing.
Vita and 3DS use Cartridges and still support digital titles installed on it.
NX games using a Card based format doesn't mean the system also can't have a built-in storage drive for firmware updates, DLC, and digital games.
The only difference being in this case would be games on Cards would be just faster with lower seek times compared to a optical media based storage such as Bluray.
And if the Cards based on the Secure Digital standard, they can be based on 64GB SDXC variant (MicroSDXC works too) which would comparable to the 50GB dual layer Bluray discs in terms of storage capacity.
AcademicSaucer
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After Trev I can believe sources contact small time youtubers
Well, you're not wrong.
Eh? That seems to be the opposite of what you said earlier but ok. Guess it was a misunderstanding?
https://twitter.com/mmirlach/status/721769509208657920
https://twitter.com/Tenkay23/status/721756178238189568
thegodsend
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Nah, he just said that Players essence has a different source than he has and that he ist not their source 10k still got just one source on Polaris. So it's a second source now. But we don't know the credibility of either one.
HOLD IT!
Ok, now i've got your attention the situation is:
10k has his own source claiming Polaris
Playeressence has his own source claiming Polaris
10k has verified with Playeressence that the source is indeed different
10k still stands at "T1" on Polaris because he has not had contact with the Playeressence source himself.
Is this where we're at?
Ok, now i've got your attention the situation is:
10k has his own source claiming Polaris
Playeressence has his own source claiming Polaris
10k has verified with Playeressence that the source is indeed different
10k still stands at "T1" on Polaris because he has not had contact with the Playeressence source himself.
Is this where we're at?
Still can't believe that leak actually happened, marketing budgets and all. I must say it's very nice to get most of the "is it 2016 or is it 2017" discussions out; now it's just a few people here and there who still entertain the idea of 2017. And Michael Pachter still believes it of course, lol.
Oh okay. I was confused because people were asking a couple different ways for clarification: https://twitter.com/TheBY2K/status/721752402647523328
DaSorcerer7
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Pretty much.
Trev's source was very inexperienced.
frankie_baby
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And likely very unemployed now
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