Can you not attribute the info to 10k as if is saying this as a dev or an insider. He's posting all of this as rumors from unproven sources based on personal research. He's not giving it out as the gospel and has even grouped them from most to least likely and put up a disclaimer on his posts.
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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Can you not attribute the info to 10k as if is saying this as a dev or an insider. He's posting all of this as rumors from unproven sources based on personal research. He's not giving it out as the gospel and has even grouped them from most to least likely and put up a disclaimer on his posts.
Which is funny. Since the 3ds is nintendos big money maker and handheld gaming is huge in Japan.
If anything the NX will be a handheld that will be able to stream Modern games at 1080p/60 to a flatscreen tv
EDIT: the primary arguement against this theory is power consumption, however 3-4 hours per charge is fine for mobile gaming which is what most estimates put how long a battery could last, based on phone/tablet performance. However there are a few easy solutions to this.
1. Make the battery removeable so you can switch it out if you are looking for a long day of mobile gaming away from a power supply
2. Sell a large external powerpack that can be easily transported with the device to extend battery life
3. Have a docking station so you can have long sessions at home on the couch, and you use a pro controller
4. Some kind of inventive wireless charging solution.
I could see this.
Except I think Zelda could come with regular NX console and has been reworked to not need the gamepad, in the past year.
Anyone know what profit margins on standard controllers are like anyway? I already find those to be way expensive but clearly that's considered to be acceptable.
If they're as big as I'm I thinking they are and Nintendo have found a way to make the screen tech somewhat cheaper compared to the gamepad I could see them bring a controller like that out for a similar price but without those kind of profits? Unless those regular controllers really are just that expensive to make.
If they're as big as I'm I thinking they are and Nintendo have found a way to make the screen tech somewhat cheaper compared to the gamepad I could see them bring a controller like that out for a similar price but without those kind of profits? Unless those regular controllers really are just that expensive to make.
I am not surprised in keeping the gamepad idea around, that's a lot of R&D money and features to throw out.
Now...
This is a little too on the nose for me... to find it fake. And now I don't know what to believe. Your general faker is just not going to know this stuff unless they really did their research, and its not even a "topic on GAF" until this moment.
You wouldn't even find this in a cursory glance on Polaris with google.
Now...
This is a little too on the nose for me... to find it fake. And now I don't know what to believe. Your general faker is just not going to know this stuff unless they really did their research, and its not even a "topic on GAF" until this moment.
You wouldn't even find this in a cursory glance on Polaris with google.
SolidSnakex
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That may be the case, but it's not a selling point to the masses. It's a nice feature and nothing more. Not a game changer in the way that the Wiimote was.
He goes on to say that it could easily run even the most demanding PS4 games with room to spare. That's not "marginally" more powerful. The whole power section seems like it basically puts anything in play. From something that's basically like the Wii U compared to the PS3/360 to something that's a good amount more powerful. Basically the type of rumor where no matter what you're probably right because you cover all bases.
Yeah, the missions system made sense for short playing time.
Exactly.
Imagine Polaris 10 "Ellesmere" GPU in a console and something much smaller than Polaris 11 "Baffin" GPU in a handheld.
James Scott
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Side note from me:
I think the gamepad is a wonderful concept.
With a better touch screen and a slightly slimmer design it could be one of the best controllers out there.
But, for Wii U, it kept the price high all generation long. I imagine Nintendo knows this so making it optional would be best.
Force devs to implement off TV play or make it a system wide feature, but 3rd parties aren't going to use it well and raising the already expensive system up a hundred bucks would be somewhat unwise.
I think the gamepad is a wonderful concept.
With a better touch screen and a slightly slimmer design it could be one of the best controllers out there.
But, for Wii U, it kept the price high all generation long. I imagine Nintendo knows this so making it optional would be best.
Force devs to implement off TV play or make it a system wide feature, but 3rd parties aren't going to use it well and raising the already expensive system up a hundred bucks would be somewhat unwise.
Napalm_Frank
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If that stuff is true it sounds like 399 with Ninty possibly taking a small hit.
I think another screen controller is a mistake no matter how cool off screen gaming might be.
I think another screen controller is a mistake no matter how cool off screen gaming might be.
Once again, Iwata shot down the idea of a single-device hybrid of that kind before he died. And to be fair, 3DS sales are on somewhat of a decline (mostly due to the platform showing its age).
Well, they won't be right if it doesn't have Polaris features.
I was hoping the Polaris thing would be Tier 400 but I'll take it
most people also don't want to have to separate themselves from their family or company or whatever just to play a game
or in my case with the NBA playoffs coming up I really enjoy having the games on while playing something on the gamepad
ever since the 3DS (I say the 3DS and not the DS because they dropped the gimmicky stuff with 3DS games and focused on practicality) and Wii U a second screen has become essential for me personally. it'd feel like a regression to go without it in the future. I literally cannot play Wind Waker on GCN anymore, for instance, because of the reliance on pause menus.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Never knew that. So I guess in a lot of ways it's practically a handheld but just missing disc/cart media support and a few things (like a wholly decoupled OS)?
Part of me thinks they should have added those media features to 3DS when pairing w/ a Wii U, then at least that way a standard controller would've been the pack-in and costs would have been lower. Then later throw a Wii U + 2DS bundle out there to expand the market to more casual consumers for those wanting more of that type of Off-TV play or multimedia features.
Hell the entirety of 3DS and Wii U just makes me question if their console and handheld teams were ever really in-sync during the development of those projects.
It's right there in my post that the controller is not going to replace the handheld. It can't. It won't have a gpu in it. It'll be a dummy controller with the bare necessities.
ultrazilla
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If Nintendo had been able to scale down the form factor of the Wii U game pad i.e.; make it smaller/portable the system *may* have had better success. Who knows? Maybe they're at a point where they can make the pad smaller and rebrand it a NX controller(it would also make playing those Wii U remasters easier).
Huge Succeeded
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i am not liking the sound of that NX gimmick and I really hope it's not the case. Call me crazy but I don't expect Nintendo to really produce a quality out-of-home streaming experience.
Neither really need the second screen tbh.
Though I am happy to have my screen controller if true.
BleedOrange
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Hype level dropped immensely when I heard about screen controller. We shall see.
Just of note, given the info now divulged... this isn't actually impossible because we may end up with a low TDP console (again) that will in practice be just over the ~PS4~ for cross platform titles, say 1080/60 rather than 1080/30, but, when pressed with its rather unique GCN 1.3 functions, able to go toe to toe with the more throughput powered X1.5 and PS4K which are, I am almost certain, going the brute force way of upgrading.
LordOfChaos
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True, but that was point to point, Wii U to gamepad. What you said seems to be more open in that you can use it anywhere on your wifi, or even off your local network, but that introduces more variables as I said.
Maybe I'm the exception? But the PS4 streaming often goes chunky and lags out on wifi. Point to point would be no problem, it's router and home networking variables that are.
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From what I could tell, that was a separate post, coming from someone on GAF, to help 10k understand the technical phrase he heard from his source.
the gamepad royally fucked the WiiU, it made the console more expensive, it didn't bring anything revolutionary to the table, they couldn't even figure out how to sell the damn thing at stores in the US and has shit battery, now you telling me Nintendo is going for it again , I really hope that rumor turns out to be false
Plans change though. It's not out of the realm of possibility that better technology came along since he said that which would allow this to happen. Or they decided it was more cost effective to make the hybrid rather than trying to have different specs to program for to scale games for cross play.
James Scott
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With the NXST I put forth the idea of making the console the premium Nintendo system and the handheld the low end system for those that just want to play some Nintendo games.
Those that want a secondary system aren't going to go with something like the Wii U that's $300 bucks when they can go for the handheld that can be $150-200.
I wonder if this power would be enough to get those handheld games on a console at like 4K. I believe someone said the PS4K could get 4K games if they looked like low end PS3 games. Could be a selling point.
Those that want a secondary system aren't going to go with something like the Wii U that's $300 bucks when they can go for the handheld that can be $150-200.
I wonder if this power would be enough to get those handheld games on a console at like 4K. I believe someone said the PS4K could get 4K games if they looked like low end PS3 games. Could be a selling point.
Dark Cloud
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Why do you need the screen for Splatoon?
If true, that's over 3 TFlops, man.
Considering how much better the 3DS OS is than the Wii U OS...no, they clearly were not. Plus those teams were merged shortly after the release of Wii U.
I am referring to that technical phrase and knowing its application and position as a Polaris enabled capability. People don't generally know said phrase or where and how its used.
Now that I've posted what I've heard I'll post my opinion. I hope I'm wrong on the gimmick. It's not what I wanted from a gimmick, I don't care about taking my controller anywhere to access my home console games. I was hoping for something more unique or nothing at all.
There's always the possibility the three sources piggybacked off each other and all of them could be wrong. That's why I said take it all as a rumor. It could be 100% false.
There's always the possibility the three sources piggybacked off each other and all of them could be wrong. That's why I said take it all as a rumor. It could be 100% false.
Ipsoclipso
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I'm not gonna fall for this. I'll buy the NX regardless of power, but nope not believing that it's 2x more powerful than PS4. The Nintendo I know for the last 10 years, will release a console that is even less powerful than XBone.
That's what I expect, that way I won't get disappointed like you guys probably will. Would be quite nice if true however.
That's what I expect, that way I won't get disappointed like you guys probably will. Would be quite nice if true however.
Hmm...
Once again, big grain of salt, but let's assume this is happening for the sake of the discussion:
In my first response in this thread I said this looks like Nintendo possibly actually beginning to pivot towards western markets with its consoles -- a reversal of how the Wii and Wii U were designed as low-wattage appliances for Japanese homes. In old threads I've even suggested Nintendo should sort of give up the Japanese console market or at least let it slip into tier-2 the way Sony has. Still, NX is still very much probably the child of Iwata, so I doubt a move like this would be all Kimishima (a former NOA head). The new posts makes the suggestion Nintendo is basically going balls-out, Gamecube/N64-style, with essentially a Super Wii U. Again, if true, this could go one way or the other depending on how Nintendo handles it.
Second screen play in itself wasn't the problem with Wii U. The problems were that 1) Nobody freaking knew what Wii U was from the jump, 2) Nintendo never had the software to justify second screen play, and 3) the Wii U was pretty much poised to never get real developer support.
Having a console powerful enough to run everybody's games and an easy development environment is just one step towards getting everybody's games. No rumor right now can tell us how or if Nintendo is building relationships with publishers differently than it has been. No rumor right now can tell us how those publishers feel about the NX's chances of building an audience for their games. EA and Ubisoft might fall in, but Bethesda? Take-Two? I think in order to even build that audience Nintendo would have to suck it away from Sony and Microsoft, because I don't think the conventional AAA console game audience is going to magically grow enough to accommodate a third hardware competitor in that market. I could be wrong though, Sony has said a big chunk of PS4 owners didn't own a PS3 or didn't normally buy consoles. But does Nintendo honestly have a good chance at figuring out why that is? And at the same time, a $350 - $400 console in 2016 is really going to have to prove itself to customers.
Once again, big grain of salt, but let's assume this is happening for the sake of the discussion:
In my first response in this thread I said this looks like Nintendo possibly actually beginning to pivot towards western markets with its consoles -- a reversal of how the Wii and Wii U were designed as low-wattage appliances for Japanese homes. In old threads I've even suggested Nintendo should sort of give up the Japanese console market or at least let it slip into tier-2 the way Sony has. Still, NX is still very much probably the child of Iwata, so I doubt a move like this would be all Kimishima (a former NOA head). The new posts makes the suggestion Nintendo is basically going balls-out, Gamecube/N64-style, with essentially a Super Wii U. Again, if true, this could go one way or the other depending on how Nintendo handles it.
Second screen play in itself wasn't the problem with Wii U. The problems were that 1) Nobody freaking knew what Wii U was from the jump, 2) Nintendo never had the software to justify second screen play, and 3) the Wii U was pretty much poised to never get real developer support.
Having a console powerful enough to run everybody's games and an easy development environment is just one step towards getting everybody's games. No rumor right now can tell us how or if Nintendo is building relationships with publishers differently than it has been. No rumor right now can tell us how those publishers feel about the NX's chances of building an audience for their games. EA and Ubisoft might fall in, but Bethesda? Take-Two? I think in order to even build that audience Nintendo would have to suck it away from Sony and Microsoft, because I don't think the conventional AAA console game audience is going to magically grow enough to accommodate a third hardware competitor in that market. I could be wrong though, Sony has said a big chunk of PS4 owners didn't own a PS3 or didn't normally buy consoles. But does Nintendo honestly have a good chance at figuring out why that is? And at the same time, a $350 - $400 console in 2016 is really going to have to prove itself to customers.
controller exclusive like Skyward Sword
Huge Succeeded
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I mean, you don't need a gamepad for most of Splatoon's core gameplay concepts to work, but the game is designed around the gamepad and its ubiquity in such a way that a straight Splatoon port without a gamepad probably wouldn't play the same.
To see where everyone is?
LordOfChaos
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So if NX has Polaris and a Polaris feature, I'd safely assume the rest of them in it too.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...8-amd-polaris-gpu-architecture-preview-3.html
http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris/
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Deleted member 465307
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Ah, okay.
Agreed. I'd like to just use my NX handheld as my screen controller. If possible and this is true, I hope I can avoid buying the screen controller and do exactly that.
Yeah just seems like a bad choice. Unless they are going all in on the western side of gaming.
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Deleted member 752119
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Agreed. Just make the NX handheld have all the buttons the console has and build in great remote play for it (and ability for it to be used as a controller for the console) for people who want both.
I've got a dedicated gaming room and a media room so there's no issue of my fiancé and I fighting over use of a tv. And we're not having kids. So I have no need for remote play/off screen play.
Spyder_Monkey
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I called being able to take your controller with you on the go a long time ago. It doesn't surprise me if this actually ends up being the gimmick considering the Wall Street Journal posted about it awhile ago.
Really really hope that controller is optional, at least in the US. I want it, off-screen play is awesome. Maps/inventory/mario maker on it are awesome. I also know that a huge portion of US consumers won't care. They just want to play games on their TV without having to fork over extra money for something they won't use.
My guess? 2 Bundles in the US, one with, one without. Same for EU. Japan? Mandatory.
My guess? 2 Bundles in the US, one with, one without. Same for EU. Japan? Mandatory.
NinjaCoachZ
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Hmmm... Having a controller as an add-on that's basically an expanded version of the Gamepad...
I suppose it depends on if they force it with the system, or sell it separately as a clear add-on. Though, that could lead to confusion with the handheld unless they're careful...
Interesting. It's probably for the best they make it optional rather than creating the image that they're doubling down on the Wii U, I'd say though.
I suppose it depends on if they force it with the system, or sell it separately as a clear add-on. Though, that could lead to confusion with the handheld unless they're careful...
Interesting. It's probably for the best they make it optional rather than creating the image that they're doubling down on the Wii U, I'd say though.
Dark Cloud
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You don't have to be a negative. I was just asking.
lensoftruth
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Not really. Unless you think gaming is ass creed efc
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