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Audiophile
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It's all part of the plan:
www.google.com
Nintendo plans to support Switch for 7 to 10 years
The head of Nintendo has said he wants to support the Switch for much longer than the usual five or six-year console life.
www.google.com
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
If I'm Nintendo and there is a good chance Microsoft and Sony enter the handheld market and I'm largely stuck with a hybrid system that is the worst of both worlds, I reconsider my strategy.
Nintendo should be pivoting to a 3 SKU strategy. Switch 2, Switch 2 Lite, and Switch 2 Pro.
Switch 2 Pro being on par with the PS5 Pro.
Nintendo has a unique position to absorb a lot of dissatisfied Xbox consumers while protecting their strength in the handheld space.
Even if Microsoft and Sony aren't able to dethrone Nintendo in the handheld space, even cutting into their sales by 30-40 percent would be devastating to Nintendo.
A lazy switch 2 that is just a more powerful switch isn't going to be the success story in the long run that the switch was.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
we have to wait until Nintendo makes an announcement. Having a partner Direct and a Switch 2 announcement in March doesn’t make sense if Switch 2 is March 2025.
I’m not saying it is false. Just that someday, somewhere has some “explaining to do!”
Because in all industries it is about “carrying momentum” and you have to wonder who is gaining and losing the “Big MO” at this point.
I’m not saying it is false. Just that someday, somewhere has some “explaining to do!”
Because in all industries it is about “carrying momentum” and you have to wonder who is gaining and losing the “Big MO” at this point.
efyu_lemonardo
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They're not drastically changing their hardware plans so close to release. If they left the option for a Switch 2 Pro open during the planning phase, that's something they can still capitalize on after releasing the regular SKU.
As for absorbing Xbox gamers, perhaps that's already happening? Xbox numbers are in decline and Nintendo are setting personal records. Could be part of the reason, for all I know.
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WhiteWaterM00se
Member
All these “insiders” or grifters…
“You all can have Boots in the Oven, but it don’t make them Biscuits!”
“You all can have Boots in the Oven, but it don’t make them Biscuits!”
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Robb
Gold Member
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
It probably has more to do with software..they learned their lesson with the Wii U. And that's one thing Reggie was very clear about. The games came eventually, but it was too late.
The first year has to be packed with must have games.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Doubtful given the power of the switch and the games released on it aren't in line with 3rd party offerings.
I'm not saying they are going to out right significantly delay the switch 2, but they need to probably sit down and think about lite and pro offerings and timing around that. That might impact how many general switch devices they plan on producing.
Ah yes, cause Sony had amazing success in the handheld biz, and Microsoft is the king of hardware. I totes think Nintendo is worried.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Poor take.
First, yes Sony has had tremendous success in the handheld business. The PSP sold 80 million units.
What you should be asking yourself is why the Vita wasn't successful and what has changed since then.
- Sony wasn't developed much as a software developer enough at the time and couldn't run parallel streams of software development enough to ensure support for the Vita
- Streamlined support is now achievable due to scalability
- Handhelds no longer need to be pocket sized or near pocket sized allowing for a 1:1 experience between handheld and console
- Handhelds are more expensive in price now
- The PS3 was in a lot of trouble and hemorrhaging money at the time
efyu_lemonardo
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As for the bolded, just to be clear: you're saying every one of Sony's zero first party games planned for this year could also be easily ported to a second platform, yes?
(In other words, Sony isn't properly supporting the single platform that they have.)
StereoVsn
Member
Well, Sony isn’t doing jack, MS is doing whatever the fuck Phil will think up in his next dream or whatnot.
Does Nintendo have to do anything really?
I mean they could drop the price , but we all know that ain’t happening.
Dr. Wilkinson
Gold Member
There's nothing past TTYD and Luigi's Mansion. But in February that's also not at all unusual, this early in the year. It's still very early. And Nintendo also almost always holds the key holiday announcements/ big holiday first-party games for the June Direct.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
So which remaster is Nintendo taking out of the vault for fall and holidays? Nothing has been announced past July, and apart from the Peach game it’s just remasters and more remasters.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Zero first party games? What do you call Concord? Do you think they've announced every first party game? I know you're trolling, but this was just dumb.
Dr. Wilkinson
Gold Member
Everything is more expensive now than it was prior to 2020. Not to mention how expensive freight & shipping is now. And we already know from Nintendo themselves that they make less money on the OLED model at $50 more MSRP than they do on the standard LCD model. I think they'll go in the direction of replacing the current models with the next-gen models, and not even bother with discounts and trying to make both systems simultaneously. The new ones will just absorb the original and completely replace them, and they won't be in the situation of needing to drop price. After all, it's been 7 years and they've never once done a permanent price drop on any Switch hardware or software.
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efyu_lemonardo
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I'm referring to the announcement by SIE this week that no major first party releases are planned for this year.
Sony Interactive Entertainment will not release “any new major existing franchise titles” before March 31, 2025
https://www.gematsu.com/2024/02/sony-interactive-entertainment-will-not-release-any-new-major-existing-franchise-titles-before-march-31-2025 Sony Interactive Entertainment does not plan to release “any new major existing franchise titles next fiscal year,” which ends on March 31, 2025, the...
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Mibu no ookami
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I'm referring to the announcement by SIE this week that no major first party releases are planned for this year.
Sony Interactive Entertainment will not release “any new major existing franchise titles” before March 31, 2025
https://www.gematsu.com/2024/02/sony-interactive-entertainment-will-not-release-any-new-major-existing-franchise-titles-before-march-31-2025 Sony Interactive Entertainment does not plan to release “any new major existing franchise titles next fiscal year,” which ends on March 31, 2025, the...www.neogaf.com
That you willfully ignore the "existing franchises" part says everything about you.
Walter Matthau
Member
Rumored console rumored to be delayed
Hudo
Member
The existing Sony franchises I care most about (Motorstorm, Wipeout) are long dead anyway.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Draugoth
Eurogamer as wellEurogamer has heard similar whispers of an early 2025 launch from industry sources this week, though has not been able to concretely substantiate them. Nintendo Switch 2 had previously been widely tipped to arrive later this year. A move to the other side of Christmas into early 2025 would mean more time for the console's launch line-up to be readied, while keeping the financial benefit of Switch 2's launch within Nintendo's upcoming financial calendar.
https://www.eurogamer.net/nintendo-switch-2-release-date-now-q1-2025-report
efyu_lemonardo
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I'm not intentionally ignoring it as a dig against Playstation. But to claim that Sony's current support for PS5 is so strong they could easily carry the weight of two platforms is nonsensical. I'm just calling out your claim.
Mibu no ookami
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They're the same games, if it can carry one platform it can carry two.
And you absolutely ignored it. That they are releasing more original IP this year rather than sequels shouldn't be something that is out of left field.
If you look at the PS4 there were multiple years without existing IP getting sequels. Tell me I'm wrong.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Who could have seen this coming? Womp womp
saintjules
Gold Member
Beaten on this page.
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will we do need 2 and 3 remasters first right?
efyu_lemonardo
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Read through that thread. PS5 gamers are complaining about the lack of releases. There was also the other thread about PS5 reaching the halfway point of its lifespan, also with posters complaining about the lack of significant releases.
My argument is that Sony are not doing a tremendous job carrying their platform.
Tsaki
Member
Sources: Nintendo Switch 2 will now launch in 2025 | VGC
UPDATE: VGC sources suggest Nintendo’s next console will arrive later than expected…
www.videogameschronicle.com
"Since publishing this story, VGC has heard from multiple sources who said Nintendo has told publishers its next console will now launch in Q1 2025.
According to the sources, third-paty game companies were recently briefed on an internal delay in Nintendo’s next-gen launch timing, from late 2024 to early the following year."
Sony this is your year to miss.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
So this delay is actually happening.
mystech
Member
UPDATE:Sources: Nintendo Switch 2 will now launch in 2025 | VGC
UPDATE: VGC sources suggest Nintendo’s next console will arrive later than expected…
"Since publishing this story, VGC has heard from multiple sources who said Nintendo has told publishers its next console will now launch in Q1 2025.
According to the sources, third-paty game companies were recently briefed on an internal delay in Nintendo’s next-gen launch timing, from late 2024 to early the following year."
This is so disappointing. Switch 2 was the thing I was really looking forward to for 2024.
Gotta wonder what the reason for the delay was… Hopefully this means the scalpers will have a tougher time completing wiping the inventory.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
No, now you're shifting.
You said they had ZERO major first party releases this year. Which just isn't true.
Depending on how you look at it they release 3 major 1st party games in 2020
2 in 2021
3 in 2022
1 in 2023
This is on par with what they did on the PS4 at this point in its life, in fact they've released more games from major franchises earlier in the life of the PS5 than the PS4.
The PS4 launched in 2013
They've released two spider-man games on PS5, Spider-Man didn't hit PS4 until 2018
God of War didn't hit PS4 until 2018, yet we got Ragnarok already
Horizon didn't come out until 2017, yet we got Forbidden West already
Last of Us didn't come out until 2020...
Ignoring the pandemic which has delayed games and slowed game development and that games are taking longer to develop is pretty fools game. Compared to the rest of the industry, they're doing really well.
What major releases came out for PS4 between 2013 and 2017 that somehow overshadows what Sony has already done here?
efyu_lemonardo
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You made a nonsensical generalized statement backed by wishful thinking and I replied with a hyperbolic and sarcastic remark to bring you down to earth. That's all it was. Look at what the new head of SIE is saying in recent threads. He is unhappy with Playstation's return on investment. He's not about to approve a second piece of hardware, with all the costs that would entail. Actually a third piece, including PSVR2.
Papa_Wisdom
Member
Confirmed: Nintendo going 3rd party. You heard it here first
Gambit2483
Member
I swear it feels like Nintendo is deathly afraid of moving on. How much longer can they drag this ancient hardware out??
nial
Gold Member
Sony will release a new first-party game for PS4 next month, this kind of support would not be something new.It's all part of the plan:
Nintendo plans to support Switch for 7 to 10 years
The head of Nintendo has said he wants to support the Switch for much longer than the usual five or six-year console life.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Bernardougf
Member
Dont think nintendo has any will to fool around with development costs for ps5 pro type of hardware.. or diminishing profits in selling expensive hardware....
After you find a way to earn very big doing more simple things... is hard to persue another way..... imho
nial
Gold Member
So this delay is actually happening.
It's funny dude, just yesterday I was thinking that they would just do a full 8 year lifecycle and launch it in March. I should start posting each one of my thoughts, I have insider potential.
ultrazilla
Member
I'm actually not upset by this. By this time next year, we should have already had the system revealed and would be waiting for a launch in a month or so.
Now the question becomes "When do they reveal the system?". If it's been delayed past this fall, I don't see them formally announcing it until this summer at the earliest.
Exciting times ahead! Is it The NeoGAF Megaton Hype Nintendo Rocket to the Moon Train Time yet?
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Now the question becomes "When do they reveal the system?". If it's been delayed past this fall, I don't see them formally announcing it until this summer at the earliest.
Exciting times ahead! Is it The NeoGAF Megaton Hype Nintendo Rocket to the Moon Train Time yet?
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
It's an additional device that plays the same games as the PS5, just like the upcoming Pro. if the games could scale down well enough. (Which i doubt)
There's nothing nonsensial about that. That's probably what Sony is looking at
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Please don't, especially if they're mostly related to potential delays of highly anticipated hardware and software releases haha.It's funny dude, just yesterday I was thinking that they would just do a full 8 year lifecycle and launch it in March. I should start posting each one of my thoughts, I have insider potential.