iamshadowlark
Banned
I assume that just means they are gonna have an engine on those platforms named UE. Theres just no way that the codebase for a vita/ipad engine won't be something completely different than the console/pc version.
Rumor: Xbox 3 = 6-core CPU, 2GB of DDR3 Main RAM, 2 AMD GPUs w/ Unknown VRAM, At CES
- Thread starter subversus
- Start date
- Status
I assume that just means they are gonna have an engine on those platforms named UE. Theres just no way that the codebase for a vita/ipad engine won't be something completely different than the console/pc version.
The assets running in the engine are what makes the difference. Vita's currently running the same thing that produced Gears of War 3 on the 360 (or newer version, even - I haven't kept up). And aside from the shiny vaseline shit filter that that I hate about the Unreal engine it was a good looking game.
UE3.99999/UE4 is going to be based on the same codebase as the current UE3.5 or 3.6 or whatever it is now. Samaritan itself was simply a newer build of it.
higherARC05
Banned
um that UE demo on vita def did not look anywhere as good as Gears 3. Didn't have any lightmass or ssao. It's a scaled down version of UE but not the exact same engine used on pc/consoles.
Angelus Errare
Banned
I find it impressive as Epic finally caught up to what other developers have been doing for a good while now
Watching that videio makes me laugh every time I see their bulletpoints
Watching that videio makes me laugh every time I see their bulletpoints
- CASCADING SHADOW MAPS!
- MSAA!
- DAY TO NIGHT TRANSITIONS!
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
It's the same engine. What you do with it on the platform (be it assets, lighting, etc) is a different story. UE mobile may be what you're thinking of (and from what I remember reading, Ipad 2 and Vita are not running the mobile variant)
Consider the hardware it was running on.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
higherARC05
Banned
So it seems the HD7900 series are launching on Jan 9th during CES.
If so, can we predict any more precise specs of the gpu Microsoft will put together for a possible 2012 launch and a 2013 launch. What will be the differences between those two release dates.
If so, can we predict any more precise specs of the gpu Microsoft will put together for a possible 2012 launch and a 2013 launch. What will be the differences between those two release dates.
Yeah so was I. Maybe if you play only on 360 it's a big leap but Crysis 2 with DX11 already has all these effects just with lower quality of assets.
If you increase asset resolution and polygons, you pretty much already have everything that was done in it. Bokeh Depth of field, Tessellation, Real time reflections and the like.
It's hilarious they are advertising MSAA as some sort of big leap when it's been around for the last decade, and Epic simply added it to the deferred engine which DICE already did with BF3.
bgassassin
Member
See that latter part is just it. People say in general that they are expecting consoles "to run Samaritan". Which I can only assume them to mean everything you refer to, and that's why I say it can't. Now there will eventually be games that approach that level, but expecting them to be 1:1 with that demo is just setting themselves up for disappointment. Although I won't laugh at them like you will, hehe.
Interesting that you say that.
Epic Shifting Focus Back to PC as Primary Platform
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Ga...ing-Gears-of-War-Unreal-Tournament,13235.html
RAM my friend RAM.
RAM is what Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony need to be putting all their efforts into. If today's consoles had more RAM, we wouldn't need new consoles for a while longer.
In all honesty, if we knew for certain that Microsoft could nail down the specs to keep all major devs happy, and make the HDD mandatory, they could probably even get away with using DVD again.
2.6b Transistors
270mm2 die
20 CUs
1280 ALUs
40 ROPs
80 TMUs
700 Core clk
1.2GHz Mem clk
153GB/sec
150W TDP
Should be within 5% of a 6950. All above numbers are purely my guess and
wishful thinking
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
I took them focusing back to PC as them looking into FTP and indie type of titles. Not technically impressive big budget AAA games.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
Don't worry, next xbox which will be announced at CES, will do KZ2 trailer in real time
Fixed.
bgassassin
Member
Right. I was just focusing on that part of his post.
Who knows? Maybe he did it to make people think MS when it was Sony? All I could do was connect the dots and come to PS4 as the conclusion.
higherARC05
Banned
EVERYONE WATCH NOW A REVEALING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kve7A1NxiUM
Sent chills down my spine to this day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kve7A1NxiUM
Sent chills down my spine to this day
Proelite
Member
No way the specs you posted needs 150 TDP. 75-100 tops.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Artistically yes.
There will be games that look better than Samaritan methinks, but they won't be using the same very hungry effects to do so.
Under good conditions developers can make more aesthetically pleasing games than Samaritan now.
But no, no piece of next gen hardware is going to be able to take that engine, and run games with it. Engines optimized for the strengths of the hardware that comes conceivably close?
Sure. Pretty much what they did from tech demos to actual engines this gen.
And I don't think any of the three will have that huge of a leg up on the other.
The widest I expect it to be is the difference between a modern PC and a PS3 in effective power. Large on paper, but leading to marginal differences overall.
Agent Ironside
Member
Can't wait for CES. Wonder if they'll show any gameplay? I kinda doubt it, but I guess its possible considering the "target" machines have been out. We'll see.
Agent Ironside
Member
If you watched the VGA 2011 preshow, Geoff Keighley basically stealth confirmed it.
He said they're going to have a tarp, and unveil something "new"
Granted its not 100%, but a lot of clues are pointing towards a CES unveiling, also they were pushing CES being on Spike TV very hard throughout the VGA's.
Yes. With The Rock
higherARC05
Banned
Can you smell what the Microsoft is cooking?!!!!!
I remember for the XBOX 360 they used a special airing on MTV to showcase it.
Why would Microsoft stealth announce something as big as the Next XBOX at CES with no way for people to expect to watch it to see it in the first place.
I would expect Microsoft to do a big event showing for the Next XBOX. Like what they did for Kinect.
Unless CES is their teaser set up with an announcement for a date that they will be revealing the whole shebang on a special date on MTV/Spike. That's the best bet I believe.
But then again 2012 doesn't sound like a great year to release one. HALO 4 is coming this fall as well as GTAV and other big current gen games. Sure they can say you can play them on the BC for the Next XBOX but that alone won't sell the new consoles.
They better off letting 2012 be the last bang for the 360 and then lead up to a 2013 release.
This is going to be a interesting month we have left till CES. And then we'll all be hyping E3 2012. Only if we can time travel.
Ha wow.
Seriously dude it doesn't look that far apart from what we have now, aside from an insane amount of bokeh depth of field added to make it look better.
bigtroyjon
Member
Ballmer is giving the show opening keynote the day before Spike's coverage, why wouldn't they just announce it then? It's going to get a lot more attention than the show on Spike will during the middle of the day.
I missed this, anybody got footage?
This means most likely nothing(maybe mentioned already), but I just saw the movie Real Steel. There were the usual product placement and Microsoft had a banner that said "Xbox 720". Granted this movie is set in the near future(so you won´t know when it´s released), but interesting that they had named it Xbox 720.
bigtroyjon
Member
All he said was they will have a few product reveals including one where he will take a sheet off a table.
Not a single thing suggested it would have anything to do with Microsoft and he even mentioned that one of the companies was a tech company as opposed to the electronics stuff he normally deals with.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447464
diffusionx
Gold Member
Rockstar didn't list platforms for GTA V.
And I mean, they are going to compete with their current hardware no matter when they release it. That's just the way things work. Big new games will be coming out constantly.
I don't think many people buy new hardware for the games, they buy it because it is new hardware and want the shiny. It's usually supply constrained anyway so releasing some mega-sequel at launch to a small, constrained audience almost seems like a waste.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Something will be at CES, but whether MS or not is another question. I would be surprised if they flat out announce what they have planned, but I could see them showing of a "theatrical" Kinect 2.0 and talk about the future vaguely. Also, while not the typical place to do so, I could see something Halo 4 since there has been a distinct lack of it since e3.
I am curious though, and every time I see this thread i'm intrigued.. I would love for a 2012 launch, and in some ways it makes sense.. I just am not sold yet.
I am curious though, and every time I see this thread i'm intrigued.. I would love for a 2012 launch, and in some ways it makes sense.. I just am not sold yet.
. Missed that thread.so...what was the point again? Are Epic selling a tech demo, or a tool for developers to make games?
If it looks or exceeds the look of Samaritan by smoke and mirrors.... bravo? As a gamer why do I care how they do it, just that they *can* do it?
If I was a developer on the lookout for good middleware, and I had two companies come to me:
1) 'we have this engine that does amazingly complex effects like DoF, refractive occlusitory colour balancing. It really needs a super fast PC to get all those effects though'
2) 'we have this engine that gives you the same effect as DoF and refractive blah blah, but we cheat behind the scenes to make it more efficient. You won't be able to tell the difference 95% of the time, but it can run really well on medium spec machines.
I'd pick number 2 thanks.
*watches Uncharted 2 videos* It would not surprise me if a company like Naughty Dog for all practical purposes matches that demo. Maybe not pixel for pixel, but it would be fucking hard to tell the difference between say, a hypothetical Uncharted 5 and that demo. Now, I am lumping PS4 and MS together tech-wise. Point of the story is that a talented team will be able to replicate the demo.
McHuj
Member
I've been thinking about all the rumors about CES announcements and I've come up with some predictions/thought of what they could show with regards to xbox and related to CES.
1. Slimmer xbox with a 32nm soc, maybe even integrated power supply. It would probably be around ~60W or so. In order to make it more settop box like, a revised boot mechanism so from power off to on, it would almost be instantaneous.
2. Win8 tablets with Xbox live and using the xbox as a device to mirror to the screen like iOS and iPad. A concept game that uses the tablet as a companion controller (inventory management, map, etc.) with the xbox.
3. Xbox Apps Marketplace open to everyone like the phone marketplace.
4. A full fledged set-top box with xbox with a cable provider like AT&T uverse. Beyond what the box does today. You don't have to buy the xbox, you can get it from AT&T and it can be you're only DVR, not just a secondary receiver. Kinect voice search for all TV channels. MS instantly opens up their potential market by 2 or 3x. I could even see Games on demand straight from the cable company.
5. No news about a new xbox, but I think we'll see hints and plenty of rumors at GDC.
1. Slimmer xbox with a 32nm soc, maybe even integrated power supply. It would probably be around ~60W or so. In order to make it more settop box like, a revised boot mechanism so from power off to on, it would almost be instantaneous.
2. Win8 tablets with Xbox live and using the xbox as a device to mirror to the screen like iOS and iPad. A concept game that uses the tablet as a companion controller (inventory management, map, etc.) with the xbox.
3. Xbox Apps Marketplace open to everyone like the phone marketplace.
4. A full fledged set-top box with xbox with a cable provider like AT&T uverse. Beyond what the box does today. You don't have to buy the xbox, you can get it from AT&T and it can be you're only DVR, not just a secondary receiver. Kinect voice search for all TV channels. MS instantly opens up their potential market by 2 or 3x. I could even see Games on demand straight from the cable company.
5. No news about a new xbox, but I think we'll see hints and plenty of rumors at GDC.
... Or diminishing returns have kicked in.
It's impressive, and it's clear that we'd need a new gen achieve it, but your average person would likely need to be told that it's a new gen at that level. We're getting closer and closer to the ceiling.
Samaritan is visually impressive but artistically bankrupt. Watching it made me depressed because it feels like an accurate vision of what games are going to try to emulate in the future. Seeing that guy's brains get blown out made me queasy, and I'm someone who is currently chopping up human cadavers on a weekly basis. Putting that much detail into bits and pieces of mutilated human viscera suddenly gave a bit of credibility to all those ridiculous claims over the years of games being murder simulators.
Actually, that might be why I wasn't blown away. It looks like every other game on the market. it's just... boring. Generic and boring. Even Gears has a much stronger art direction.
Ugh. You just scared me. I'm sick of this photorealism shit...
specialguy
Banned
There is no proof of this.
If next gen comes out and the difference isn't huge, you win. I am nearly positive the difference will be quite huge though. Actually I think it will be the biggest graphical leap ever personally, since we wont have been spoiled by incrementally improving PC graphics in the meanwhile (since there's no real high end PC development anymore), and the fact it'll have been 7-8 years between gens rather than the usual 5.
No way that 4GB of RAM vs 512MB, and 10X-20X the shader power, wont make a huge difference.
I mean even if you did nothing other than make a X360 with 1GB of RAM instead of 512, and left everything else exactly the same, I'm sure there would be a quite noticeable difference.
higherARC05
Banned
They will see that with the WiiU. Just look at the Zelda demo. It ran at 1080p NATIVE and had graphics that looked like cutscenes for games on 360/ps3.
Synth_floyd
Banned
I don't think they will show any next-gen hardware at CES. Maybe not even E3, following the disastrous pre-preview of the Wii U. If they're releasing in 2013 I think they will wait until CES 2013 to show off anything.
higherARC05
Banned
Ya me too.
2013 is PERFECT for Microsoft to release their next console.
Let 2012 be the year for the 360 to be prime. HALO 4, GTAV, Core Kinect games, XBL all beefed up, and more. Espicially if they have a 360TVbox set for CES to release in 2012, there is no need for a new XBOX till 2013.
Let the devs get their kits now and have a good 2 years for a incredible launch.
And Microsoft know that instead of getting the 28nm gpu chips right out the door now, they can wait till 2013 for a more refined/cheaper version when they release the next XBOX.
Yep.
Seeing people at a forum like GAF praise more and more photorealistic sequels makes the whole thing even more depressing.
- Status