Rumor: Xbox 3 = 6-core CPU, 2GB of DDR3 Main RAM, 2 AMD GPUs w/ Unknown VRAM, At CES
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Para bailar La Bomba said:
you do understand that the xbox 360 already streams 1080p content ?
The zune store has all 1080p stuff and has had it for quite awhile .
Don't forget too that with moe powerful hardware they can use more powerful compression. HEVC which is slated for 2013 is supposed to offer twice the efficiency of MPeg/h.264.
HEVC can also do 4K and 3D . So its not like there isn't options for MS to use
Lagspike_exe
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CES reveal is possible if they're aiming to market the next Xbox as more of a mainstream all-in one entertainment product rather than a gamng console.The Albatross said:
DeaconKnowledge said:
I don't think next-gen consoles will go digital only, so Blu-ray makes sense. It's already been used in a console before, it has an expandable storage capacity in case things regularly need more than 50 GB and it's cheaper than investing in something like holographic discs, etc.
Blu-ray is just plain easier for all these companies than going with an alternative. That way they don't piss off the retailers as well. I could see PS4/360^2 have all their games day and date on their digital platform as well the way PSVita is doing. That just seems to make sense.
Microsoft's goal is Windows 8 integration with everything they do. They can't really say: "Yeah we'll integrate everything" and leave one of their most important product lines behind. When Windows 8 was announced to be coming to Xbox it was already a lock to be released close to the new OS.The Albatross said:
Also I love how subtle Chris Seavor is:
The Albatross said:
Unless Microsoft wants to emphasize its future of 3 screens and a cloud strategy. I wouldn't be surprised, these days MS seems more integrated and as if they have a holistic strategy with Windows 8 across all three major device types (PC, console, mobile).
Edit: Beaten!
DeaconKnowledge
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I do live in Canada.Dunlop said:
I'm not arguing that next-gen consoles will be digital only. What i'm arguing is that it will not be necessary for the next XBOX to include Blu-Ray technology for anything but the space provided.Dragon said:
Proelite
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If this rumour holds any truth, I am suspecting that this is just the dev kit, at least for the dual gpus part. They might be using some dual core chip like the 6990 because that's the fastest single card amd solution out right now, while they wait for the smaller and cooler customized version.
Lots of assumptions there. The Wii U GPU will most likely not be a R700 design. It's more likely a devkit only thing, like the PPC Macs for the 360 and the SLI GPUs in the PS3 devkits.dr_rus said:
The Wii U will probably use full-fledged POWER7 cores, full-fledged in the sense that it's a proper out-of-order CPU designed for power (not in the sense of the business-oriented complex server POWER7 chips). Of course Microsoft could pick ARM or Atom cores, but those aren't powerful. Or they could pick Xenon, and keep a peculiar, not-really-that-powerful in-order design. POWER7 is much more powerful than what the 360 has, even when it's simplified. Microsoft's only choices here are POWER7, AMD Bulldozer or something new entirely. It can't be much better than what the Wii U has, though.
Binary compatibility with Wii can be achieved by making the Wii system board on a single 45nm chip, which would be tiny and use very little power. This is in fact the only way that Nintendo can ensure 100% BC while still using a POWER7 related architecture (which is already confirmed by IBM). I don't think it will be much of a problem for Nintendo.
Lastly, I think Sony and Microsoft won't go all out on the hardware like they did last time. They had too many hardware failures and way too many losses on hardware subsidizing. That's why I don't think the next Xbox will be hugely better than the Wii U.
The Faceless Master
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well, i went with 24 because 1024*1024*24 = 25165824 and 1920*1080*12 = 24883200 but i'm sure nobody would complain about having MOREspecialguy said:
lunchwithyuzo
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Maybe, maybe not. Most likely, this is just the first devkit so things will probably improve anyway given how these things tend to go. Maybe we'll get more RAM, maybe faster RAM, maybe dedicated VRAM?specialguy said:
Big Ass Ramp said:
this.
people do not understand the difference between the two.
PC has multiple services running that eats up RAM, Console does not, thats why you can see amazing things with 512 of what we have now in current gen
Router said:360 was unveiled on MTV.
I remember this, they had this huge unveiling via a 1 hour episode on MTV, had multiple interviews.
The dude from LOTR ( the main hobbit) was in it iirc
Para bailar La Bomba
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-Winnie- said:
Yes, because introducing new data device mid-generation has such an amazing rate of success in the history of video game consoles.
MS were just biding their time to see what market penetration blu ray would achieve.
Windom Earle
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If it's really 2GB, preorder cancelled!
The Shift
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If the next xbox has Blu-Ray does that mean a guaranteed hard-drive as well? Or will BR tech be evolved enough at that point to not demand mandatory installs in some cases? How does that impact cost in the final console design - meaning the cost of a HDD in every box shipped as opposed to 4GB local storage similar to low end 360?
It's difficult to have an opinion at this point.
Depending on different elements this could be both a next gen beast and a simple upgrade to the 360 (2-3X the power).
The CPU is 6 cores, ok but considering that frequency isn't going higher than 3.2GHZ (the limit is 4GHZ), it all relies on the advancements made on the single core.
2GB of Ram is decent if there is at least an other 1-2GB of VRAM, if they're going with unified + embedded VRAM it's rather poor.
The GPU, again, it depends on what kind of cores they're using, even PS Vita has a quad-core GPU.
So it's early to comment, but it would be nice if the CES rumor is true.
Depending on different elements this could be both a next gen beast and a simple upgrade to the 360 (2-3X the power).
The CPU is 6 cores, ok but considering that frequency isn't going higher than 3.2GHZ (the limit is 4GHZ), it all relies on the advancements made on the single core.
2GB of Ram is decent if there is at least an other 1-2GB of VRAM, if they're going with unified + embedded VRAM it's rather poor.
The GPU, again, it depends on what kind of cores they're using, even PS Vita has a quad-core GPU.
So it's early to comment, but it would be nice if the CES rumor is true.
DisenLedZep
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6 core CPU and double AMD card?
500 - 800u$, and I'm being generous here... they would sell this at a huge loss.
Cool rumor though.
500 - 800u$, and I'm being generous here... they would sell this at a huge loss.
Cool rumor though.
CouchMaster
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2GB is eight times more than current PS3 system RAM, imaging how UC4 would look like if PS3 had eight times more RAM.
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The Shift said:
HDD is a given. There's no room for a 4gb-arcade model anymore.
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SomeDude said:
Buy a pc.
But then again it doesn't. It's a single chip. It's actually less than a single chip because in all likelihood the CPU and some other stuff (networking, memory) will be on the same piece of silicon as well.Elios83 said:
Nothing like multi-GPU as it has been known in the PC realm. Nothing at all.
I hate PowerVR so much for this. When they say something is "quadcore", all it means that this particular implementation is four times as wide as the basic version. It's still an abuse of terms. It's akin to calling a Radeon 9800 a "dual-core version" of the Radeon 9600. But it's not and never has been.
Monty Mole
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Exactly. It'll be fun waiting for that 8GB to fill up. Again, the thing isn't a PC. It certainly doesn't need 8GB!Proelite said:
chaosblade
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Not feeling this rumor at all. The notion of DDR3 RAM in a console is pretty laughable on it's own.
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iceatcs said:
DVD and Blu Ray aren't the only options open to MS.
But regardless, why couldn't MS Sony go Blu Ray?
Oh, GAF. Samaritan graphics? more powerful than a current high end Gaming PC? BF3 PC owned? 2GB a bottleneck for a hexacore CPU? (WTF)
This rumor doesn't tell us much at all. An AMD hexacore CPU gets bested by an i3. In the worst case scenario, this hexacore CPU will be just xenon x2, in which case this CPU vs good C2D will be a close call. And 2GB of main RAM + 1-2GB of VRAM seems like a fitting setup for a true next gen system.
This rumor doesn't tell us much at all. An AMD hexacore CPU gets bested by an i3. In the worst case scenario, this hexacore CPU will be just xenon x2, in which case this CPU vs good C2D will be a close call. And 2GB of main RAM + 1-2GB of VRAM seems like a fitting setup for a true next gen system.
Saint Gregory
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Like someone said earlier the dual GPUs have to be for the dev kits. The final system will probably be either a dual core GPU or some new GPU that matches the two rumored ones in power.DisenLedZep said:
Either that or each system comes with its own mini fusion reactor.
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SomeDude said:
Wouldn't using dual GPU's mean that the VRAM would need to be split between the GPU's, ala dual GPU cards today?
If so, I can't imagine anything less than 2GB of VRAM would be feasible. That would give each GPU access to a 1GB block of memory, which I think is the bare minimum they'd want to go with these days.
That'd bring the memory count in the box up to a more respectable 4GB total. That is unless they decide to assign each GPU 750MB or so of memory from the main pool, leaving just 512MB for main program/OS memory. That'd still work (barely), but I can see that being a bottleneck in just a few years.
If so, I can't imagine anything less than 2GB of VRAM would be feasible. That would give each GPU access to a 1GB block of memory, which I think is the bare minimum they'd want to go with these days.
That'd bring the memory count in the box up to a more respectable 4GB total. That is unless they decide to assign each GPU 750MB or so of memory from the main pool, leaving just 512MB for main program/OS memory. That'd still work (barely), but I can see that being a bottleneck in just a few years.
Rolf NB said:
It's not like that because when you define what your single core is if you integrate more of them in a single chip it IS a multicore solution because it'a parallel system, it has to be programmed like a parallel system and the performance will be different for certain tasks compared with a bigger single core solution with the same die area.
Talking about consoles make no mistake, the multiGPU thing is to be intended in the PowerVR way, more basic cores on the same die, there's no way that a console has two GPUs in two separated chips connected with a dedicated wide bus, that would make costs jump much higher than the performance gain you'd get.
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JaseC said:
Thanks for the reply. As mentioned by another poster above - having multiple games installed is a very nice feature on the 360. With that in mind, what size HDD would this next xbox ship with considering transferring over XBLA games, Games on Demand and dlc content. At least 500-750GB? Maybe 1TB as minimum? Just interested in the costings variations of this particular part for now.
I think the best thing about the next-gen will be the amazing engines available when it launches such as frostbite 2.
Hopefully the first year of games won't be shitty versions of what we have now and hopefully re-dux of current games unable to perform fully on current consoles such as BF3 and witcher 2.
That's why I think frostbite2 and BF3 on PC are a decent approximation of what we'll get.
Hopefully the first year of games won't be shitty versions of what we have now and hopefully re-dux of current games unable to perform fully on current consoles such as BF3 and witcher 2.
That's why I think frostbite2 and BF3 on PC are a decent approximation of what we'll get.
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