Rain all you like... article is from Friday, July 15th 2011 at 5:09PM
And it's just a prediction by Gamestop, it's totally plausible that MS didn't tell them back then or changed their schedule...
Rumor: Xbox 3 = 6-core CPU, 2GB of DDR3 Main RAM, 2 AMD GPUs w/ Unknown VRAM, At CES
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Rain all you like... article is from Friday, July 15th 2011 at 5:09PM
And it's just a prediction by Gamestop, it's totally plausible that MS didn't tell them back then or changed their schedule...
If you want any of this, you should be advocating a late 2013 release. You would need fewer RAM modules, and RAM would inherently be faster. GPU's would be close to the 20nm point, so power draw would be alot smaller. Also, developer's would have launch day titles if they started working now. Imagine next gen where Gears, Halo, Uncharted, and Killzone all launched Day 1 with hardware as powerful as the one used to run Samaritan (or MORE powerful). Maybe I BERRIEVE too much
.Its been what 7 years since alot of us first bit on the $400 xbox 360. I'm ready for a better console experiance , all my friends are mainly console players and even though I have a few pc gamer friends we still like to play with the others through live. However the games look like ass .
We are ready to all invest in a new platform. 2014 is way to far away , i'm sure i can convince all my friends to spend $800 bucks on a high performance gaming pc
So when they do 6GB in 2014 you will moan why they are not having 16GB because 8GB is the standard in PC's these days and RAM is so cheap?
higherARC05
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You know a $500 console in the next couple of years isn't so crazy. It'll sell as long it has the value consumers can see that will justify it. Look at all the people now spending hundreds of dollars every year for a new phone, tablets, tvs, etc. A console can do it too. If theres millions of people spending $600 for a tablet im sure a $500 console can get a good start in sales.
Phonomezer
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People are better off now than they were 2 years ago. $500 is a very reasonable price for a new console, imo, just look at how much money people are willing to throw at Apple for substantially smaller improvements to their products.
It's just that $500 USD will magically translate into $699 AUD for no reason. Poor PAL.
$500 at launch, when the console sells some 5% of it's lifetime sales.
Seems like on GAF everyone in the gaming industry has to be ready financially and emotionally for a new console so they all can buy it at once.
Proelite
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If you want any of this, you should be advocating a late 2013 release. You would need fewer RAM modules, and RAM would inherently be faster. GPU's would be close to the 20nm point, so power draw would be alot smaller. Also, developer's would have launch day titles if they started working now. Imagine next gen where Gears, Halo, Uncharted, and Killzone all launched Day 1 with hardware as powerful as the one used to run Samaritan (or MORE powerful). Maybe I BERRIEVE too much
Thuway you noob.
There is no way consoles can use 20nm in 2013 even if tmsc delivers on time. The earliest would be 2014 if everything goes perfectly, which it never does.
We will be stuck on 32/28 for quite a while.
If in 2013/2014 I can get 6 gb of ED speed RAM, a GTX 590 X 1.5, and a MultiCell/Hex core at $299, your out of your mind that people will complain. This is entry level pricing with extremely powerful hardware.
The proposed Fall 2013 specs I threw at you would get you some really impressive visuals that will make us all proud to have waited one more year.
This hurts :-/, but I am sure you can agree that the longer we wait, the more powerful and reasonably priced hardware will be available.
charlequin
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Which it won't, which is why it'll sell terribly, which is why nobody is going to do this.
It's one thing to be ignorant of history, guys, but 2006 was only five years ago. (Don't even get me started on the "people are buying iPads, that means $500+ consoles will magically become successful!" nonsense.)
higherARC05
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I do doubt a 2012 release. With so much software for current gen in 2012 it would be crazy for Microsoft to come out now. WiiU can because all these current gen games will be upscaled to it. Also devs are just receiving dev kits in Christmas. Games for launch are going to need at least 2 years to develop. So 2011+2=2013.
Phonomezer
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Consoles have more features now than they did in 2006. I expect MS to push their Xbox cable tv features and Windows/WP8/Kinect voice integration, none of these kind of bells and whistles existed in 2006.
charlequin
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Features are meaningless. PS3 had BluRay included, at what was probably an all-time best "value" for a packed-in gaming console feature, and that did sweet fuckall for its performance on the market.
When you get down to it, the "extra features" on a modern gaming console are the equivalent of a Roku -- a $50 piece of electronics that people are quite comfortable buying on its own if they want the functionality. Furthermore, those features are already in the current consoles which means there's little reason to pay a premium on future systems when for non-gaming purposes the PS3 and 360 already have just about everything covered.
We are in a far worse economy than we were in 2006, with far more compelling competing products looking to snag that $500 than we had last time around. $500 consoles are not going to fly.
If its true about TSMC coming out with 20nm in 2014, than I would rather we wait that comes out. This way next-gen titles will be there Day 1, we'll have powerful boxes at affordable prices, and we can all high five each other on GAF.
I'd like to propose 2013 as an industry-wide holiday.
No new systems, and no new console games. Give handhelds and PC a year to shine, and also, a year for me to clear out my backlog.
There's no way I can justify buying a PS4/Loop with ~20 games I've barely touched and plenty more I'd buy on sale.
No new systems, and no new console games. Give handhelds and PC a year to shine, and also, a year for me to clear out my backlog.
There's no way I can justify buying a PS4/Loop with ~20 games I've barely touched and plenty more I'd buy on sale.
It would probably be better for the industry as a whole...
Severely truncating new revenue streams during the highest spending period of the year? Right. Beneficial.
If a developer doesn't want to make handheld or PC games, it would be a good time to get cozy with new devkits. Kick off new consoles in 2014 with a half decent lineup for once.
6GB of EDram? Good luck with that...
I was being facetious, however, if console manufacturers gave third parties until 2014 for new hardware, how is this a bad thing? I've been advocating powerful, affordable, mature, tech oriented hardware.
I really hope this 2012 BS does not hold up for Microsoft. Fall 2013, or early 2014 sounds like an excellent time. A 590 / 6990 X 2, 6 GB of Ram, and an amazing processor for around 299? Count me in.
It's a pretty dumb idea, financially speaking. I don't think shareholders would be too happy if year on year revenue dropped dramatically because devs wanted a "holiday."
Kermit The Frog
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He said eDram speed DRAM, not 6GB eDRAM which as you've said is preposterous.
Beaten. Read above post. Its a fucking paradigm shift and a half.
First of all, I don't think this is actually going to happen, in case that wasn't clear. :eyeroll:
Second, I'm not saying teams get to take off. I just mean no new console game releases that year. Handhelds and PC could use the spotlight, and most console teams should be working on games for the (hopefully not released yet) new systems.
And most importantly, my backlog is ridiculous. I doubt I'm the only one who could use some time to catch up.
Internet High Five.
Give me launch day Uncharted, Halo, and Samaritan. Kick off the next-gen with a bang. It'll be the best year for gaming yet.
You really want to watch consoles limp for three more years?
The issue will soon be that the longer they wait to launch the next wave, the bigger the window they present for a disruptor to enter the market and shake things up. Google TV 2.0 is supposed to come soon and there are the rumors of the Apple HDTV.
The tepid uptake of Nintendo's 3DS and (soon) the Sony Vita should serve as cautionary tale for the big three about the precarious nature of consumer preferences.
It's nice to want things.
Consoles aren't limping anywhere. The PS3 has yet to hit $199, and the Xbox 360 is selling in record numbers. Consumers at this juncture in time are more than satisfied as whole. The industry continues to do well.
If you release a next generation console, with marginal improvements, the majority of gamers will stick to their 360s and PS3s. Third parties will outright refuse to take advantage of more powerful hardware, and we'll be caught in a flux altogether.
Its better to wait, just a tiny bit longer. 2012 is just around the corner. This gives both software and hardware manufacturers breathing room for the next generation.
Aizu_Itsuko
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Heh, no, but we definetely should wait for the right moment to make the transition.
Ideally, we should wait until a system that offers a significant jump over the current gen is feasible (be it power-wise, interface-wise or whatever) so that the average gamer feels the need to upgrade.
2012 may be a little too soon if you look at the whole picture.
We are going to be stuck with those new systems for a while so there's nothing wrong with waiting.
An example: 3DS and Vita are pretty nice handhelds but they have very short battery lives.
A couple of days ago I read about some new incoming advancements regarding batteries that could have solved that problem. Wouldn't it have been nice if Nintendo and Sony had waited for this tech to be available, even if it takes a couple extra years. They could have had more powerful systems that you wouldn't have to recharge every three hours... and that's nice I'd say.
The current systems are barely even $199 yet. 2012 still has a lot of great games in store (Borderlands 2, Last Guardian, Starhawk, Mass Effect 3...). 2013 is the year to get both systems under $149, and just basically let them coast on their killer libraries.
Also, usually around this time we start hearing that a console has (finally) launched in emerging markets.
Limping in a technical sense. I know they're selling well. The games look dated. It's time to move on.
Its been six years for the 360, no way it's a marginal improvement. The notion that one more year will throw some magical switch that will bathe our eyes with unicorn jizz is laughable.
Developers have had more years than ever to get ready. If some can't handle it, someone else will.
Both ideas are equally preposterous.
People here would be in favor of a $1000 console if it were necessary.
Truth.
DDR will have larger RAM modules, that are absurdly fast. In 2014, it'll be mainstream RAM...
Yep.
At this point you don't need to have a "good" PC to get better-than-console performance. My 14" laptop plays Skyrim better than PS3 or 360 at 1600x900.
Add a $50 GPU to your desktop, and it's done.
heh I maxed out mw3 on my pc, playing skyrim on low settings (looks fine though). I'll upgrade my video card for swtor though.
SkoomaSuckinSwit
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Come fall 2012, the Xbox360 will have been on the market for 7 years.
7 years is a long time for any gadget's lifespan, esp a computer.
Any PC gamers still using a graphics card from 2005 & the same amount of RAM, and playing new games with it? How's that working out for you?
It's not a huge investment like a new HD tv, it's a video game console.
Time to trade up.
7 years is a long time for any gadget's lifespan, esp a computer.
Any PC gamers still using a graphics card from 2005 & the same amount of RAM, and playing new games with it? How's that working out for you?
It's not a huge investment like a new HD tv, it's a video game console.
Time to trade up.
Dude, once you buy the system, another controller, a game, accessories, any online subscriptions you may need, etc you've spent over $600 easily. And that's assuming we don't get another $599USD moment.
That is definitely comparable to what most people spend on a TV.
BlackNMild2k1
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But Wii U, 3DS & PS Vita could be the last systems we ever get (if the 2012 DOOM prophecies come true
)!But seriously, if Wii U is seen as powerful enough (by the average gamer) and the majority of the core decide to upgrade since the others are waiting for 2 more years, then if PS4/Xbox1080 aren't seen as a big enough leap over Wii U, then it can be a case of too little too late. Especially if the uPad becomes as successful as the wiimote.
So even if PS4/1080 start to gain traction 2 years down the line on Wii U's 2 year headstart, Nintendo will be announcing an even more powerful box 2 maybe years later.
So what is stopping 3DS and Vita from using those batteries when they are commercially available several years down the line?
or several years down the line, when they are commerically available, why couldn't Nintendo and Sony just release even more powerful handhelds that make those new batteries seem just like the batteries of today?
We have reached the point at which technology is ready for another generation. Moore's law has not slowed down yet, and it's been 7 years. I think there is this perception that hardware has not improved enough because we're using console to PC ports or low budget PC lead games as a litmus test. Games like Witcher 2, BF3, and Crysis 2 may look great compared to consoles yet don't seem like a full generation jump. It's not because of hardware. It's software. These games are poorly optimized. I mean every time they're released you can fiddle with Radeon Pro and get 200% boost in performance easy. On top of that there seems to be a complete lack of communication between video driver developers and game developers.
I think if you take something like Witcher 2, Crysis 2, BF3 and improve the visuals by a qualitative 4x, that's what consoles could do in late 2012/early 2013. I mean just imagine what developers like Naughty Dog could do if a PC gamer can mess with settings and get such a drastic improvement without the game engine changing.
I'm primarily a PC gamer and may buy a console next gen, but I'm most looking forward to next gen consoles so that PC games perform way better.
Just like Nintendo really. Nintendo always play their most passionate consumers for chumps.
Unless Wii U decides to chuck to improve its rumored specs to atleast double what we're being told- I don't see this happening. Wii U might just be Dreamcast'd.
The Xbox is the COD Box, thats where most of its fanbase is at, Sony has its own crazy set of exclusives and huge sales from games like Fifa, Street Fighter, and Battlefield- there is no way PSN and XBL users will just ditch it to go play a new Nintendo Console.
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