Syphon Filter
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This could be it.
(RUMOR) Xbox One GPU reserve getting smaller soon, down from 10% to 2%
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This could be it.
Have you read Penello's recent statements? Nothing being conceded at all. Best graphics still on XB1 according to him.
Dragonborn
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No, but the X1 UI is horribly designed unless you decide to use the stupid voice functions.
I doubt it, but at least MS can brag about it and call it a game changer like they did to that last minute up clock. After a while, the truth will come out again and they'll be back at square one.
From what I've used it, no, it looks similar but it's just so damn cumbersome (unless, again, you use those stupid voice commands). I guess the word I'm looking for is, it's not as streamlined as the 360 and worse than the PS4 UI.
You need that 8 percent to handle that, if it's optional then it isn't universal. One of the reasons the system was designed this way was to handle stuff like that, to free that up is to retreat from it's original design. It is simply a cluster fuck.
Syphon Filter
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Isn't it similar to the current 360 UI? Seems fine.
And 900p on PS4, taking into account they're aiming for 60fps on next-gen.
i don't see them cutting a feature that they lauded at the reveal.
That's assuming it'll be an 8 year cycle in the first place, but I digress.
For a fixed-spec system, there's no way they'd release a revision with an upgraded GPU outside of labeling it as an entirely new console. The problem is, if they released some GPU-upgraded model, they'd completely alienate all the people who bought the original revision who wouldn't be able to play software for the newer version (or would have a compromised experience), effectively splitting the userbase between two versions of a system. It would just be a mess no matter how you slice it.
ultratruman
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Ah right, that makes more sense. I've heard navigating the home screen is cumbersome with just a controller. I'd like to think they'd reduce snap features just to basic menu options, but the fact they're freeing up the full 8% dedicated to video makes me less confident.
freefornow
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Maybe that's where those 900k XB1 consoles are? MS kept them to do mass testing of upclock
not serious
That's what the 8 percent handles though.
I have to agree. One of the main reasons why I bought a Xbox 360 alongside my PS3 last gen, was for the mostly better multiplat games that the Xbox 360 had. Other reasons were the huge catalog of XBLA/indie games, & having a ton of Arcade Style Shoot-'Em-Up games.
Now that PS4 has most of those things (including cross game chat), & more, what's the use shelling out $500 w/tax on Xbox One for, especially if you don't happen to be a big fan of Microsoft's 1st/2nd party offerings (like I'm not, I'm a big fan of Nintendo's & Sony's 1st/2nd party games), & when Playstation consoles are always guaranteed to receive a lot of Japanese 3rd party titles (which I'm a big fan of)?
Mibuokami
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That would be suicidal, the bad PR and consumer back lash would kill the Xbox brand. They only way they could get away with this is by offering free exchange for early adopters or doing it as an add-on to the current system, both of which are not something Microsoft is dumb enough to consider.
ultratruman
Banned
They lauded lots of things last year.
SwiftDeath
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So you think they might alter snaps functionality a bit with this reserve change? I would think some GPU would be necessary to maintain snap as it is currently so curious to see what happens if they go through with this
OverHeat
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The only way this could work is if they decided to make the current xbox one the entry level console that play game at 720p standard and release a version that play the same game at 1080p with 4x MSAA.
I know I would double dip.
freefornow
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Works for Apple. Sheeple lap dat shit up!
RedAssedApe
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If you by one month before launch you meant August 2013. Then sure. They would have made sure that all of the chips used by its partners to build the machines were up to spec before starting mass manufacturing.
You might, but saying that wouldn't go over well would be an understatement. It cost $500 to start with, and now it won't play anymore games unless we pay MS more money?
Or devs would code to the lower specs anyway, afraid of losing the people who didn't upgrade. There's a reason MS put Kinect in every box.
If we're going to talk about resolution, then that's a probably GPU bottleneck. I don't know about the rest.
Clockwork
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No. Just no.
You never alienate your user base. You never segment your market. Not in the console space.
But is it the GPU itself or the RAM situation?
Dragonborn
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Yup, with the exception of the last 2 or so years, the 360 was my main consoles due to muliplats largely running better. 1st Party wise, I'd get Halo, and the Forzas, but that's about it.
Now, MS doesn't have the third party advantage. They don't have a 1 year lead, and they aren't leading in NA which makes me think they won't be securing many more 3rd party exclusives this gen (so no Bioshocks or Mass Effects or heck, maybe no Gears). That leaves them with what? Another Halo? Another yearly Forza Installment? Rare, a shell of it's former self? Lionhead and they're mediocre last three games.. I just don't see what MS can do right now.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Same game, same asset only RESOLUTION would changed what's the problem.
Both. CPU performance is comparable, last we heard.
RedAssedApe
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for those asking for a hardware upgrade TWO MONTHS into launch go buy a PC. lol...you guys are silly as hell.
SwiftDeath
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That's only half the equation of why the hell you don't release multiple specs for the "same" console.
The other side of the coin is developers. They would have to code two separate versions of the game, one high end one low end and while with closer than ever PC architecture such things are easier than past gens, it's still supposed to be a closed-box console experience wherein which devs code to the metal and get more power out than equivalent PC parts. It would be a clusterfuck to release multiple SKUs with different specs, that way lies insanity
Last we heard you can get more for games out of the PS4 CPU actually, no idea how much but Matt did say you could get more of out of the PS4's CPU as well so there is literally no aspect of the specs that the XB1 has over the PS4 aside from maybe GPU clock speed?
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
St. Thomas does indeed have Sprint coverage. LTE even. I should fly over there tomorrow and meet up with Mortimer and do a GAF AMA with him from a bar or something.
Just like Tomb Raider? ;P
There's an argument to be had that 400-500 consoles would be worth it compared to PCs. But more than that? The PS4 would be so much cheaper and all of a sudden mid range PCs would be price competitive.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
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Not completely. From what I've heard, the size of the ESRAM is a big bottleneck for 1080p. 32MB is too small for a framebuffer if you're running "next gen" style geometry and effects and in most cases, the DDR3 is too slow to use as an alternative. 106 extra GF for the GPU will help a little bit in increasing throughput but the bottleneck will remain the size of the ESRAM.
That doesn't matter. Devs won't support it, there's a reason almost every add-on to a console fails.
They could get it running at 1080p and ~45fps on PS4
i don't see how 8% if the GPU is dedicated to putting up a little sidebar with some text or passing through video from the HDMI. i would think that's something the CPU and ram handles.
Clockwork
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People already have a perfect platform that allows for consistent upgrades. It's called a PC.
The joy of a console is you have one set platform to play on, not having to worry about upgrades or software compatibility. From a developer standpoint it's easier as well.
But they hadn't sold the console to 3 million people back then. Imagine you bought a Xbox one because you liked snap - how would you feel if ms takes that away from you after you paid 500 bucks for it?
The more I think about it the more unlikely I find the possibility of Ms removing snap...
Apples and oranges. MGS GZ is open-world, Tomb Raider is not.
That would be more like releasing new Xboxes* on some yearly schedule or regular interval; not quite what I meant, which would be like two different versions of the Xbox One.
*how do i plural xbox
RedAssedApe
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i think people are jumping the gun on the snap thing. i dont think its going away. the gpu reservation thing must be like the memory reservation thing on the ps4 right?
taking features away that you pushed like crazy at launch would just be dumb to what will probably account to a negligible performance bump.
taking features away that you pushed like crazy at launch would just be dumb to what will probably account to a negligible performance bump.
Clockwork
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"I don't use this feature, so to hell with anyone that does"
I'm not sure that's the attitude to have. Removing/compromising already advertised features would be pretty lame.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Like sony did with other OS on PS3?
infiniteheteroskdasticity
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That would be too much like PC gaming. Fragmentation is something devs hate and consoles have avoided. The single most important advantage a console has over any other gaming platform is forward compatibility. As a launch day Xbox One buyer, you have the absolute guarantee that your launch hardware will run any game released for that console throughout its life cycle at exactly the same fidelity as a Xbox One manufactured in 2017. That guarantee is the basis of console gaming and doing away with it would open console gamers to the kind of expensive upgrade spiral that PC gaming suffers from.
Clockwork
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True, it's all speculation at this point. So the question remains, what impacts does it have?
Not everyone is a gullible moron. Lots of people will feel cheated (early adopters getting screwed). It is a terrible idea.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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GPU? The entire damn console lol.
New xbox in 5 years, new playstation in 6 years.
RedAssedApe
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hardly comparable. other os isn't core functionality like snap is.