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RuPaul's Drag Race Season 9 |OT| The Largest Cross-Dressing Convention of All Time
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Yikes is right.
whyamihere
Banned
Sasha would never.
Oof. Fuck. Why would anyone ever do that?
Garrett Hawke
Member
Anyway I love Sasha velour, whew!
Mercury Fred
Banned
Hot garbage: the drag queen.
This should disqualify her from All Stars and any/ all future Drag Race tours and business. Fuck them both.
Jugendstil
Member
So fucking stupid. There was so much good will towards Shea after the season ended and this seems like a really aggressive way to torpedo it immediately. Get a better manager (or any manager at all), Shea.
And_Gignac
Member
Sheas responses are terrible, but, really, when did well known white queen Trixie Mattel receive this type of backlash for using Jeffree Star products, for instance?
Mercury Fred
Banned
Unless it's involved a public apology, being constantly outspoken on social media in defense of LGBTQ people and donating millions of dollars to LGBTQ charities, she can fuck off forever.
There do tend to be double standards here. But Jeffree Star did apologize for his past.
I dont think she mas millions to spare.
Mercury Fred
Banned
Who/ what is Jeffree Star? Never heard of, but if it's as fucked up as Banks, happy to drag him/her/whatever as well
Didn't you hear? She owns everything.
Anyway, it's sad as hell that Shea is going down this path. She deserved to win the season and had everyone on her side. Now she's on the fast track to being a pariah. And she deserves it.
He was a myspace artist that told a black girl that pouring acid on her face would help her lighten the skin. He has said different racist and rude things against women of color. Most stuff said over 10 years ago and made a public apology video recently despite still saying problematic stuff on his snapchat and twitter which he thens proceeds to delete. He has a makeup brand now and I guess he may be saving face but we shall see how he behaves
Jugendstil
Member
I definitely think there is a shitty double standard with how black queens are treated by parts of the Drag Race fandom. It's gross to me that so many queens work with and promote a horrible person like Jeffree Star but no one calls them out on it. However, I do think there's a difference between liking and using his makeup (which tons of queens do) and being paid to appear in his ads and videos (like Adore and Laganja). In the same way, lip syncing to an Azealia track would be one thing but working with her and having her on your album is a different level of co-signing her bullshit. I guess just wish all these queens would get it together and not be so thirsty for fame because it leads to questionable decisions.
NickWright
Member
The way some of you are treating Shea is quite disgusting tbh
titiklabingapat
Member
Seems like Shea got starstruck and forgot about everything else when someone who was slightly famous gave her attention. Yikes.
I was rooting for Shea to win too.
Sharon was another of my favorite that fell out of favor with me after her post-show diva behaviors.
I was rooting for Shea to win too.
Sharon was another of my favorite that fell out of favor with me after her post-show diva behaviors.
xaosslug
Member
literal bitter qween. RIP
She has, honestly? And so has Adore and Laganja. But tbh people can be upset over something for so long and then it passes.
Ummm, I don't like that Shea is working with Azealia either (mostly because I think it's a bad career move. Nobody likes Aealia anymore, and why attach your star to a turd...) but I'm going to call bullshit on this outrage.
Let's not forget that one of the most popular and booked Queens to come out of Drag Race did so by jacking black mannerisms and doing a bad job of it.
YES GAWWWD
MAWMAAAA
OKUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
*obnoxious tongue pop*
Laganja is a walking minstrel act, but she's one of Ru's most booked queens.
Look, I hate Azealia too, but one thing I will say in her defense is that she talks like a black girl from the hood talks. At least the hood I grew up in. It's not appropriate, she DESERVES to be dragged, but shit, not here for writing off Shea over a collab that hasn't even happened yet.
Let's not forget that one of the most popular and booked Queens to come out of Drag Race did so by jacking black mannerisms and doing a bad job of it.
YES GAWWWD
MAWMAAAA
OKUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
*obnoxious tongue pop*
Laganja is a walking minstrel act, but she's one of Ru's most booked queens.
Look, I hate Azealia too, but one thing I will say in her defense is that she talks like a black girl from the hood talks. At least the hood I grew up in. It's not appropriate, she DESERVES to be dragged, but shit, not here for writing off Shea over a collab that hasn't even happened yet.
titiklabingapat
Member
Shea knows full well what she is getting into and is righteously defending Azalea. I'm not gonna say that black queens don't get the short end of the stick in general (because they do) but that is indefensible. We can call out a queen without resorting to whataboutism.
And I find Laganja is annoying as fuck, for reference.
And I find Laganja is annoying as fuck, for reference.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
Looking at those Azealia tweets...yeah not even a close comparison to Laganja in terms of any kind of offensiveness.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Fuck him whew!
Monocle
Member
Her Twitter is a mess. Very ugly self-righteous attitude, dismissing former fans for respectfully stating their disappointment that she'd defend a notorious bigot. I'm glad she didn't win.
Depends on who you talk to.
Monocle
Member
I think it's more that fans are disappointed when artists they admire turn out to be jerks, or to keep company with jerks. Which is not unreasonable.
Expecting people not to support, defend, or excuse hate is not a very high standard. You don't have to be a sweetheart of America or whatever the fuck to be a decent person. And if you're a prominent member of a marginalized community, then with that popularity comes certain expectations that you'll stand for something positive, even if it's in the modest sense of being nice to your online fans. And not hanging out with raging assholes.
Her replies are worse than the collab. We've known about the collab for a few weeks now, but those replies? Have you guys read them? Dismissing your LGBT audience so easily because of a homophobe and transphobe, in the way that she's done on Twitter? She could've dealt with the collab in a more graceful way, and not "fuck your issues, I'm singing with motherfucking Azealia Banks".
Really? Mind you I'm not black so I'm not the one experiencing the aggression here, but is appropriation really on the same level as full on hateful slurs?
For real, it depends on who you talk to. Let's stop looking to these queens to be role models and carry the weight of the gays on their shoulders. That's what's killing drag and making it so suburb now.
Look, I don't like the F word, and I like Azealia Banks even less. but I would be painting a false picture if I said I couldn't go back to my stomping ground of South Central, LA; or go to Harlem/Brooklyn/etc, NY; or South Side, Chicago; or West Philly, and hear people throwing around that word in the exact context in which Azealia used it, including the gays.
Azealia feels that her connection to the queer community gives her the right to use that word. Which, to be fair, is very similar to some queer folk thinking that our affinity towards women allows us to use slurs typically used to demean them.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
I'm still struggling with her tweets, but bless you sis and your POV.
I will always push back on any internet black/white approach to political correctness.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
You shouldn't look to drag Queens to be role models...except when that's the persona and platform that they cultivate for themselves to be more popular. Yeah, when you go on drag race and preach about being an example for young queens, people are gonna give you some side eye when you collaborate with questionable people. But hey, they can just say that queens gotta make money. Fine. But to go out and dismiss it as "Your problem, not my problem. It only matters when it affects me." Yeah they deserve to be called out on it.
Mercury Fred
Banned
Jugendstil
Member
That's what it comes down to. The upsetting thing about Shea is that it seems so out of character. I don't know her personally but we have a lot of mutual friends being from Chicago, and I've never heard anything bad about her. She is a geuine and caring person. It isn't even about holding her to some impossible standard, it's that she has never come across this way before. Maybe she's struggling dealing with newfound fame and all the attention on her, on top of whatever personal stuff she has going on. It's not an excuse, but she is human and fallible. I hope things work out for her.
Well, she's openly queer, sooo....Her "affinity" with the queer community gives her a right to post this?
What I'm about to say isn't so much a defense of Shea, because I've been saying it for several seasons now: blame the editing.
For a while now Ru's been obsessed with scrubbing the show of any significant conflict between the girls because she personally finds it distasteful, which has made the last THREE seasons snore-fests in comparison to the early seasons. I think we saw that this year with the reunion, when we learned that there was actually a LOT of tension in that workroom that we just didn't see. Apparently, Valentina was the Willam of the season and only Farrah and Nina liked her, Alexis was even more obnoxious than what we saw, Peppermint was something other than sugary sweet all the time, and Shea had a lot of opinions that she vocalized.
Would I believe that the Shea we saw during the show would work with Azealia? I'm with you, I wouldn't.
Would I believe the Shea we saw at the reunion would work with Azealia? Yep.
No offense, but that you would describe it this way tells me you don't know much about Azealia Banks (who is a known freak), or the culture she's in that would make her respond in that way.
It's a stupid comeback, and it's wrong for plenty of reasons, but not because she's "shaming" him. I mean, Azealia raps about her own hook-ups. I mean, fuck, she raps about using her black licorice pussy to swindle rich white men.
I mean, I hate to say it, but you guys just don't get it. The black queer community has some pretty significant differences in terms of what's acceptable and what isn't. I don't AGREE with all of it, but I'm not going to sit here and play dumb to the context.
If you guys want to drag Azealia for something, drag her for the racism she threw at Zayn Malik for no fucking reason. She's definitely trash for that.
And_Gignac
Member
Has to be said, but Valentina was right. Shea is upset.
MisterGrey3000
Member
Eeh.
Let's get somethin' straight folks.
He didn't say this seriously, like this wasn't something Jeffree did IRL to some random poor defenseless little black lady, it was part of a really stupid and poorly thought out online skit that he performed with a random black friend of his (who I believe is a drag queen) years and YEARS ago.
That's not to say Jeffree Star hasn't done and said troublesome things (his online tiffs with female beauty gurus do get quite ugly) that deserve criticism- because it certainly does-, but he's not some sort of fuckin' violent cartoonish bigot like some people try to make him out to be.
The guy's just a confrontational diva who tends to let lots of stuff get under his skin, and says dumb shit to people he's mad at.
I honestly feel like the RPDR fanbase needs to chill the fuck out when it comes to who the queens choose to be friends with.
It's fine to levy some criticism (I'm not too fond of the things that Azealia Banks has said myself), but getting so worked up and passionate about something that doesn't directly affect you and you're probably gonna forget about in a month ain't valuable or productive.
You definitely raise a good point there.
Jugendstil
Member
Yeah. I don't have any expectations for drag to saccharine or safe. My favorite drag is busted, weird and transgressive queens. The ideological purity some fans expect from drag queens is stupid and makes for a more boring show and lamer drag queens.
My issue is that I know Shea is great at what she does and respected by a lot of people in Chicago, regardless of her persona on or off the show. I have seen all of these recent Chicago girls come up and Shea is easily the most talented and deserving of her top spot. It just sucks that this controversy and her interactions with people regarding it are going to undermine that, because there's more to her than that.
Mercury Fred
Banned
sooo.... it's fine for her to make jokes about queer people being murdered and disposed of for seeking out sex and affection?
Sorry, but your defense of her is fucking bullshit and I'm not here for it.
Uhh, No? But really who would it be OK to make this joke about? On those line, It's an offensive thing to say about someone regardless of their sexuality.
And that's part of my point. I'm not defending the joke. It was a crass and inappropriate response. But it does not make her homophobic. Words have meaning and power, and we have to watch how we use them. Especially if we're going to get on a high horse and judge other people for how they use them.
There are people who actually seek affection on Grindr? Lol where?
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