maquiladora
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Not much point in hiding it when even the new US President will be open about it.
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Russia Signs Cooperation Agreement With Far Right Anti-Immigrant Party in Austria
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Not much point in hiding it when even the new US President will be open about it.
Gnome Scat
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Eh you take what you can get.
gutter_trash
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Only the far right. However that seems to be a bigger and more significant group lately
Nope,
the do the same with the Far-Left, Anti-NATO parties, Anti-EU parties, Anti-Western parties
Russia realised it doesn't need to be covert about its support of neo-Nazi's in Europe any more, it can openly do so and no one will give a shit. Any pro-Russia imbecile who still claims Russia is a country dedicated to fighting against fascism (like what they claim re: the Donbass) really needs to STFU and get their head examined.
Russia is the greatest threat to peace and stability in the world right now.
Russia is the greatest threat to peace and stability in the world right now.
Onlinehero
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Because they're fascist scum, like Putin.
The word fascist is thrown around much too easily these days, soon it will lose all meaning. Not a fan of that.
semi-fascist has a bad ring to it
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Anything to promote white supremacy. It's really that simple. Whites must be on top and Russia is the biggest country with that as their official policy more or less. Race patriots is what they are.
storafötter
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Thats a funny but true statement. I do think that Europe will be the only "buffer" against Russia the next 8 years. Unfortunately we are pretty weak as a force compared to the US.
I agree. Used to think it was only a far right thing. It goes beyond political wings or orientation.
I just hope Germany can expel it but do not have much hope for France honestly.
Lord Frieza
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I mean, what would you call it then?
Operations
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People laughed at Romney when he claimed this back in 2012
Onlinehero
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radios shipping overview
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Wait a few years. Or don't - you guys shouldn't repeat our mistake.
Russia traded communism for fascism, but they're still playing the same old game.
SporeCrawler
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maybe this should be an angle to battle the far right. they are basically putins puppets. clinton kinda did it against trump in the debates (which was when she was the most succesful).
Comments and attitudes like these brought us Donald, Brexit and more far right ladies and gentlemen.
We never take anything seriously and usually laugh it off until it's reality and too late to do something about it.
Imperfected
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Why bother? The more it comes out that they're doing it, the less anyone seems to want to oppose it. Particularly in America; rather than the obvious connection harming Trump, it's actually raised Putin's public profile in the country.
I mean, people paint him as a KGB psychopathic mastermind, but when your opponents are as dumb as the Western world has gotten, it really just takes a Saturday morning cartoon villain to get the job done.
CyclopsRock
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Not entirely sure what this has to do with the UK leaving a customs union.
UKIP is also in Putin's pocket. A weaker EU is better for Russian interests. It's not that far a leap of logic.
Really?
CyclopsRock
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I can see why Putin would want to see the UK leave the EU but that's not really what I was asking. The person I was quoting seemed to be suggesting that Brexit happened because we "didn't take it seriously", as though it wasn't a result of years of pent up desire for a referendum, a long campaign and a high turnout.
Also, UKIP is in Putin's pocket? They're broke. They relied on a handful of very wealthy donors, of whom Putin was not one, who have mostly now all fled. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertion?
They aren't mutually exclusive things. I think how damaging Brexit could be wasn't explained early enough because the thought it could happen was so ridiculous. Cameron played with that comfort, by claiming the EU was the cause of many problems and pretending to be on the fence about whether we should leave. This meant that when it looked like Brexit could happen, and politicians started panicking, it was treated as a fear campaign of doom. Because surely if Brexit was that bad, politicians wouldn't have threatened leaving so lightly?
CyclopsRock
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I don't think that's really the case, though. "Project Fear" started from the very beginning because that's how all "status quo" campaigns work. It's really the only way they can work, because you can't paint a bright and happy picture about what's already there. It's inherently a case of "the other thing is worse" which you can't do positively. Besides, public hostility towards immigration goes back way further than the run up to the referendum - I'm sure none of us forget Ed's immigration mug.
I'd certainly agree with you that most people did not expect us to vote to leave, but it doesn't follow on that complacency necessarily therefore caused that to occur. Right now, I can't think of how they could have campaigned differently and got a victory for Remain. I don't think that a more comprehensive explanation of the potential economic outcomes would have helped because I think that for so many, that was a relatively distant concern.
ReplacementPelican
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I'm not trying to shirk responsibility. Mainly because 'Europe' isn't a singular entity like the US.
Also, blaming Brexit on Russia is a gross oversimplification. For a start, UKIP surged in the polls for the last election but gained 1 MP. Now, that shows that whilst the majority of voters wanted to leave the EU they weren't willing to vote for someone like Farage and disagreed with his views that Trump succeeded by parroting. It's easy enough to blame Russia for Brexit in the wake of the American election but this certainly wasn't a sentiment that was bounded about beforehand.
Brits fear of immigration and the EU was a lie that the conservative party capitalised on when they realised that UKIP were gaining popularity, they promised a referendum that they didn't want because they wanted to win. Yes, the Tories and Labour often tried to - half-heartedly - describe the benefits of immigration but they did so on Question Time and other such debates where those watching are already - hopefully - informed enough to not be an idiot about this.
Immigrants and the left were betrayed by both the Tories and Labour in efforts for them to garner votes from the frothy-mouthed, braying UKIP supporters and they didn't do enough to defend the idea of immigration.
When you've had years of every party refusing to say 'guys, its actually beneficial, chill your grill' then its no wonder the electorate will turn around and say 'wait, why are we actually in this?' and when you're a working class person who has been fed lies by our own media, not the Russians, about how immigrants are taking your jobs and using up your NHS then when Londoners turn around and go 'guys, we should stay in the EU, it's how I make all my money!' they're going to tell you where to stick it.
Also, I feel like WIlders is always 'likely to win' and given that nobody would really form a coalition with him, he's sort of fucked. Even if the PVV comes first its likely the other parties would agree to form a coalition with the second party.
As said above, UKIP have very little chance of actually winning.
People who makes deals like this should go to prison for treason.
Russia will support anyone or anything that helps destabilize their competitors. It's not because they believe in the agendas of the politicians in other countries, just the end goal of Russia becoming stronger.
Shocking thing is that absolutely no one is doing anything about it, neither in Europe or the US. People should be smarter than this
Russia will support anyone or anything that helps destabilize their competitors. It's not because they believe in the agendas of the politicians in other countries, just the end goal of Russia becoming stronger.
Shocking thing is that absolutely no one is doing anything about it, neither in Europe or the US. People should be smarter than this
QuicheFontaine
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That was pure comedy back in January. Cameron was all "If I don't get substantial reforms I will campaign for Leave", came back from negotiations with the square root of fuck-all, promptly joined Remain and started giving it "Leave will start WW3". Terrible campaigning!
Means to an end. They believe they are playing Russia and getting their money to achieve their own goals, when in fact it's Russia playing them. But they're too oblivious to understand that.
Or mutual cooperation. Russia wants the end of the EU as much as they do, so they ally to down the beast. They just can't comprehend that Russia's goal will be their fall as well, but if they had any foresight they wouldn't want the end of the EU in the first place.
In the end it doesn't really matter. Russia is winning the game, and fascists can't understand there can be only one winner.
ginger ninja
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When was the last you heard a state representative meeting and signing agreements with non-state entities ? That fact that the Austrian party isn't in power yet makes this whole thing look even worse.
Huh,
Where is that thread about how the west blows the "big evil Russian threat" out of proportion? Seems like they are openly attempting to destabilize democracy through support of the worst elements in our societies. And then we have people like that OP acting like it's all a big bluff.
Where is that thread about how the west blows the "big evil Russian threat" out of proportion? Seems like they are openly attempting to destabilize democracy through support of the worst elements in our societies. And then we have people like that OP acting like it's all a big bluff.
astroturfing
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why not just join Russia at this point. i don't like Finland that much anyway, and it'd be cool to learn a new language.
Even as a non-Fin, I consider this high-treason.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I'll never understand the sentiment of wanting to leave the EU. I'd get it for like Germany and countries that can legit stand on their own but Austria w/o the EU for instance is completely worthless of anyone's attention. Within the EU our politicians can play big shots but on our own we literally have a smaller GDP than Bavaria.
Host Samurai
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I seriously don't get this far right bullshit. Haven't these people learned anything from WW2? This was exactly the kind of shit our veterans fought against.
I hope with "these people", you only mean those of the right party. It's not like the whole country supports this decision as of now.
And yeah, about your veterans.. they sure are proud of you. No need to look down on Austria right now, really no need.
BTW out of curiosity, how are Austrians reacting to this event?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Well just checked r/austria and found people arguing the veracity of russia's involvement in the US elections. How the fuck did we get trump stans here?
We're all part of one fucked up human race.
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