AtomicShroom
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Did somebody say Poutine?
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Russian military outraged after French magazine Charlie Hebdo mocks plane crash
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andythinkpad
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Did Charlie Hebdo made fun of the Nice attack? Serious question.
CyclopsRock
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I always feel the need to point out, in these threads, that you can't really expect to fully understand satire in a language that you don't understand. So much of it is about wordplay and irony that dies when translated.
DiipuSurotu
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Yes.
First cartoon: Anti-France works even on public holidays: "We get double pay!"
Second cartoon: Radicalization: Here's what happens when you stop drinking
(this is a joke on drunk driving deaths, as well as the fact that most Jihadists didn't have a religious lifestyle at all before their radicalization)
Third cartoon depicts a firework (since this was National Day) made of blood
CadetMahoney
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Whilst they pale in comparison to stuff on the web, the difference is it's a printed publication, all legit like.
Does it still cause outrage? I don't think anyone really cares anymore, everyone knows their style of humour now.
Lol the third one is fucked up but I lol'd so I guess they got me haha
True but government and military officials should be above making statements about a satirical magazine from one country. By getting wound up about it and making it worldwide news more people get exposed to the cartoons.
On a similar note, l'ironie du sort is that if Islamists had never murdered Charlie Hebdo's staff the magazine would eventually have ceased publication and maybe lived on in an obscure part of the Internet, instead it's now an internationally known magazine that now has a very healthy circulation.
Still people don't get that if you don't like Charlie Hebdo the best thing to do is to ignore them.
Silent Chief
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Same here.
Ultramantaro1
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It's very dark but I laughed. Then again, I lived in France and I feel like that type of humor is very prevalent, and not something that Americans are used to seeing in their mainstream media.
chillybright
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It's a form of propaganda. By selectively reporting and responding to outrageous foreign news and media outlets, it paints "the other side" as an vile enemy at worst, a hypocrite at best.
Oh I agree, it's definitely that.
The one about the singing 'aaa' is certainly mocking the victims. If it was your family member you would be outraged. Its a disgusting 'comic'
Ultramantaro1
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Obviously a joke at your expense is not funny to you. I think it's humorous, but if that was a family member I wouldn't like it at all. Doesn't make it a bad joke.
Yes but because of sympathy/empathy i cant laugh at such. It makes me feel disgusted.
archangelmorph
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Err yes it does...
It's not about mocking the victims. I keep reading this, this notion that Charlie Hebdo punches everyone and everything. But really most of the time it's not so much mocking as it is a way to find a bit of humor inside tragedies and awful things that happen in the world.
They take something horrible, they make a jest out of it, and the average leftist frenchman reading this with his morning coffee has a little giggle. It's a way of coping with awful news. A lot of french humor is built on this notion, one of the pinnacle of french bande dessinée is this comic called Idées Noires (Dark Thoughts) which depicts some horrible stuff from a depressed mind and turns it into morbid jokes. It's not about mocking, it's about coping, making light of dark subjects.
It's fine to not like that type of stuff, but I believe that most people that have a problem with it either lack the context of what a satirical leftist french newspaper is supposed to be, or is simply not the target audience.
Netherscourge
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Curious - Did Charlie ever mock the terrorist attack on their own office?
DiipuSurotu
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The Main Event
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Poutine is fucking delicious. I don't care whether he believes in democracy or not, I will follow his orders anywhere.
Smoke's reuben sandwich poutine 4lyfe
Did somebody say Poutine?
You call that poutine?! This is poutine:
andythinkpad
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Yes.
First cartoon: Anti-France works even on public holidays: "We get double pay!"
Second cartoon: Radicalization: Here's what happens when you stop drinking
(this is a joke on drunk driving deaths, as well as the fact that most Jihadists didn't have a religious lifestyle at all before their radicalization)
Third cartoon depicts a firework (since this was National Day) made of blood
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That's some dark shit.
Miles Quaritch
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You call that poutine?! This is poutine:
Disgusting.
Just looking at it is making me want to projectile vomit.
Says who?
Coriolanus
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happened quite a lot outside the US, and even in the US. Gilbert Gottfried had a decent piece on it. It is ok for comedy to be disgusting.
Aww come on, the lasagna thing was a great pun.
Phatosaurus
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You don't need to imagine, CH did that too.
EnlightenedMint
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Hebdo is basically the 4chan of magazines.
After the cartoon about the earthquake in Italy, nothing surprises me about Charlie Hebdo anymore.
They're just terrible.
Yes they are and I can't say I have ever chuckled at anything I have seen them publish.
That said, I am comforted immensely by the fact they still exist. Like an earlier poster said, they are a barometer of free speech. If someone tried to legislate against them I would be very concerned.
The "outrage generation" seems to thirst for harsh consequences for disgusting ideas. In a free society, the appropriate outcome is that we merely shake our heads and call them tasteless flogs.
Oh please. CH never harmed anybody, they don't doxx, they don't hate... They're a niche newspaper for mostly aging leftists frenchmen. They're the target audience that can handle a little black humor in their daily tragic news. The only contact Gaf has with the paper is when they somehow make the news with drawings taken out of context. I'm sorry but you don't have a say in what Charlie Hebdo is or isn't.
CyclopsRock
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Did they?
Smoke's reuben sandwich poutine 4lyfe
yoooo this nasty AF wth
I know it's shocking, but there are people who understand and enjoy satire.
Red Liquorice
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82 people died and their joke is that amongst them was a choir?
Tasteless jokes I can live with if they're directed at deserved targets, but this isn't one of them. And it's not even remotely witty or funny.
Tasteless jokes I can live with if they're directed at deserved targets, but this isn't one of them. And it's not even remotely witty or funny.
Regginator
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Charlie Hebdo being inconsiderate fucking pricks? I'm shocked.
This.
Humor really is a healthy way to express grief or relieve stress. "Gallows humor" is something used by people in stressful or traumatic situations. This type of cartoon is just an outlet for that. Go and ask any physician or nurse or other medical professsional about it. It's not that we find the situation itself funny, it's that we use it as a coping mechanism to relieve our stress. As a coping mechanism, it's entirely normal and healthy to look for something humorous in the face of tragedy.
Why do you assume it is trying to be or has to be a jokey knee slapper? I don't think that's the intention.
Ultramantaro1
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The thing is, outside of the comics, Charlie is an actual paper with opinion pieces, investigative journalism, social commentary etc.
Dark, morbid humor is well established in France (see Fluide Glacial, Gottlieb, Ptitluc etc. in the long tradition of French comics). Media is a generally more PC in North America.
Making fun of innocent dead people is satire? What are they satirizing?
DiipuSurotu
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Dude it's literally in the OP.
Yes.
First cartoon: Anti-France works even on public holidays: "We get double pay!"
Second cartoon: Radicalization: Here's what happens when you stop drinking
(this is a joke on drunk driving deaths, as well as the fact that most Jihadists didn't have a religious lifestyle at all before their radicalization)
Third cartoon depicts a firework (since this was National Day) made of blood
I giggled at the first two.
Like mentioned. It's a coping mechanism, for me anyway. I try to find the humor in the darkest of times in order not to go fucking insane (which has been needed a lot this year).
Dude Abides
Banned
That's not the case for any of the cartoons here.
Extra Sauce
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Smoke's reuben sandwich poutine 4lyfe
For a split second I thought that was cheese sauce and was about to scold you but... mustard? That looks delicious. Don't mind the haters, their taste buds have been corrupted by years of overly sweet/fat condiments.
RustyNails
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Charlie Hebo is the Milo Yanipoopoo of magazines. Just say vile outlandish shit under the guise of freedom of speech and get publicity.
While I completely agree with this, I think the humor should redirect your train of thought away from the horrors of existence, not guide you back towards it.
I'm all for free speech and coping with humor but these guys certainly don't help the world get any less dark. In a way they are part of the problem(albeit a tiny part comparatively) because they're all about stoking the shit and clouding the zeitgeist even further.
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