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Sailor Moon Crystal |OT| In the name of the manga, I'll entertain you!
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Zoe
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In Asia, Jupiter is associated with wood, not lightening.
KDash31987
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I want one of those Sailor V plushies. 
The inner senshi's powers come primarily from the japanese names for the planets with some greek god power thrown in, mercury is the water planet (suisei), mars the fire planet (kasei), jupiter the wood planet (mokusei) plus Jupiter's lightning and venus the gold/metal planet (kinsei), that's where she got the chain from in addition to the love and heart stuff.
I have no idea if the chinese zodiac overlaps with the japanese names for the planets.
I actually know why Jupiter has so many plants, it is just something that isn't brought up until the Infinity arc for some reason.
Sailor Moon Crystal Episode 18:
Ah yes, in deference to the pattern established in the previous few episodes Minako manages to stave off capture and is still an active member of the roster at the end of the episode. I assume this choice was made because it was realized how boring and dull things were without the other guardians or maybe it is because Venus is the favorite of the mangaka. Yea, I'll be honest, I am not a fan of the kidnapped Sailor Guardians subplot, either here or in the manga, dragged on forever and really added very little to the proceedings. The Sailor Moon R anime was wise in ditching this idea. On the other end of the scale, Mamoru continues to get character development that never really occurred in the first anime series and the topper is he actually gets a new attack to keep himself useful. This never happens in the anime and by this time Tuxedo Mask is reduced to the simple pattern of distraction and speechifying. The constant here is no matter what the incarnation Chibi-Usa is just the fucking worst. Also, the likes of Naru and Umino actually get screen time and lines, which is truly a sign of a thinned out roster.
BassForever
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Smoking Bomba was sweet, and the best thing about Crystal is the reduced comedy scenes means less scenes for Chibi-Usa to be extremely annoying.
MikeHattsu
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Sailor Moon Crystal 18
So even Tuxedo Mask gets an attack.
A lot of channeling of spirits on both sides and the finally save somebody from getting kidnapped
So even Tuxedo Mask gets an attack.
A lot of channeling of spirits on both sides and the finally save somebody from getting kidnapped
Simply Sarah
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Manga Mamoru: Not actually 100% worthless.
90's anime Tuxedo Mask was never worthless. He was usually hiding in the shadows because he's a phantom thief. He wasn't there to beat the bad guys, he was there to take what he wanted and leave. When Sailor Moon showed up to beat the bad guys, he stopped what he was doing and watched, because he enjoyed watching Sailor Moon kick ass. If/when Sailor Moon got into trouble, he would cheat and fire a warning shot as a distraction before handing the fight back to Sailor Moon.
He was a sniper. His roses were lightning fast and had perfect accuracy, and they were powerful enough to penetrate concrete and draw blood from even the most powerful opponents. He shot Beryl in the heart, through an incoming projectile. In the R movie, he shot Fiore in the heart, through armor. When he aims to kill, he's deadly.
Just because La Smoking Bomber has a name and resembles the other attacks in Sailor Moon, doesn't make Tuxedo Mask any more or less useless.
La Smoking Bomber is the best name for an attack ever.
I did enjoy this episode, but it still bugs me that in every Sailor Moon version,
I did enjoy this episode, but it still bugs me that in every Sailor Moon version,
Chibi Usa just doesn't trust in any of the senshi. You would THINK she would, since she, ya know, kind of knows them from the future and all. I always just assumed that Neo Queen Serenity just never told her that she herself was Sailor Moon, so that bit kind of makes sense, even if she does resemble her, but whatever.
BassForever
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I always assumed that
time travel gave her brain damage which is why she acts so stupid for awhile. After seeing the senshi fight the bad guys she's running from tell them everything right then/there. The crazy stalling both series did never made sense
Simply Sarah
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Much of the time all he does is toss a rose, cheer them on because the enemy, uh, lets him for some reason, and vanish. He's completely flat as Tuxedo Mask most of the time and either ends up as kinda pointless or as a sort of a deus ex machina.
Chibi-Usa in general is the character I have the most trouble with in Sailor Moon just due to how troubling her personality in general is. On top of the above you have the fact that she has the standard and always annoying "act like the age their body seems to be instead of their actual age" nonsense in that she often acts like a child despite being almost 900 years older than any of present day characters. I mean yes, sometimes she shows a maturity, but it tends to come across as a childish maturity rather than that of someone old and experienced.
Even worse, the people of the future (Queen Serenity, King Endymion, Pluto, etc.) treat her as a child as well despite the fact that it is made clear that all aging isn't slow in Crystal Tokyo, it that people reach middle age normally and sorta stop there with Chibi-Usa being a weird exception. The whole situation is bizarre and I could rant about it for a while but I won't.
Even worse, the people of the future (Queen Serenity, King Endymion, Pluto, etc.) treat her as a child as well despite the fact that it is made clear that all aging isn't slow in Crystal Tokyo, it that people reach middle age normally and sorta stop there with Chibi-Usa being a weird exception. The whole situation is bizarre and I could rant about it for a while but I won't.
Zoe
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There is a physical aspect to maturity--it's not completely mental. She has the brain of a 6 year old just like she has the body of a 6 year old.
Simply Sarah
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Sure, but that's mostly tied to the actual age of the brain rather than how the physical body looks. I never got the feeling that the angle with Chibi-Usa was that she was treated as she is due to her being very severely mentally disabled, which is exactly what a 900 year old person whose brain hasn't developed past what a 5-6 year old would normally be like structurally would qualify as. Admittedly, that may be a good way to describe the situation, but it doesn't seem like that's what was intended by Ms. Takeuchi.
Apparently this thread was only released as part of the NeoGAF FOIA and even then only heavily redacted.
He did kinda defeat one of the Witches 5 in S lol.
I would say that Tuxedo Mask seems flat because the first 13 episodes of the anime (along with Jadeite) are pretty flat.
Deus Ex Machina is when the hero is saved by a power that hasn't been properly introduced, and the audience can't reasonably expect it to happen. The writer paints themselves into a corner and can't think of a way out, so they pull "just anything" out of their butt to move the story along. It doesn't mean that anything and everything which saves the hero is automatically bad. Tuxedo Mask was properly introduced in the first episode of the anime, and his reason for being there is completely reasonable (he's looking for the crystal, same as the villains are). People give him flak for "saving" Sailor Moon, because that's somehow anti-feminist, but Usagi's not a fighter and is constantly in need of saving (especially early on in the series), often by other girls. But then people give him flak for not doing enough to help, since he gives Sailor Moon space to become a fighter, when he could be one-shot-killing all of her opponents for her, even though he's not a Hero of Justice and has no stake in the fight. He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.
The enemy lets him speak because a powerful opponent just stepped into the fight, fired a warning shot, and took center stage for a few minutes.
In the first episode, Tux stopped the fight, gave Sailor Moon some words of encouragement, then Luna told Sailor Moon to use the tiara, while Tux sat back and watched her win.
In the second episode, same thing, but this time Tux left/went back into hiding before the fight resumed.
In the third episode, Sailor Moon beat the MOTD without assistance (unless you count Luna), but then Jadeite showed up and completely overpowered her. So Tux threw a rose and threatened Jadeite, forcing a very powerful opponent to back down through pure intimidation. This shows what Sailor Moon's up against, and illustrates the hill that she still has to climb.
Episodes 4-5-6, Sailor Moon takes out consecutive MOTD's with no problems (or at least, nothing Luna can't sort out).
In episode 7, Sailor Moon gets trapped in glass, so Tux fires a shot from the sidelines to shatter her prison without hurting her. The MOTD ignores Sailor Moon and tries to go after Tux, so Sailor Moon shoots her in the back.
In episode 8, Sailor Mercury appears and saves Sailor Moon.
In episode 9, Moon and Mercury confront an MOTD on her own other-dimensional turf, and Tux finds and breaks it's real-world source of power, giving them an unseen and uncredited assist.
Episode 10, Sailor Mars kills the MOTD, while Tux lurks in the background picking up survivors and securing everybody's escape route.
In episode 11, Moon and Mars challenge another MOTD on her home turf, and get caught in a trap. Tux breaks the monster's hold and then backs off, the Senshi retreat and find Mercury, and the three of them take down the MOTD.
In episode 12, there was no reasonable way for Tux to join the fight, so he didn't. Moon/Mercury/Mars gang up on the MOTD, and Jadeite is about to throw down with them when Beryl interrupts the fight to scold Jadeite.
In episode 13, Jadeite gets the fight he wants, but Tux interrupts when things start going badly. This time Jadeite's not willing to run away like he did before, so he attacks Tux and... appears to kill him? This scene is really janky, and I'll blame Toei. Jadeite claims victory and spouts some misogyny before attacking the Sailor Senshi (which is stupid because his master is a woman), and the Sailor Senshi respond to Jadeite's misogyny instead of responding to the death of their comrade. This scene is really messed up, in the direction of being "too feminist" for it's own good. Mercury throws up a cloud cover, Moon acts like bait, and Mars sticks a "kick me" note onto Jadeite's back. Jadeite is defeated but not killed, and Beryl finishes the job. Tux reveals himself as not dead, in fact, there doesn't seem to be a scratch on him. He tricked Jadeite and faked his own death so that he could watch the Sailor Senshi beat up Jadeite (after buying them a momentary distraction). It's pointed out that he also tricked the Sailor Senshi into thinking he can jump off buildings.
All of this is in line with a character who isn't part of the fight, but wants to see Sailor Moon win. He sits on the sidelines and interferes just enough to protect Sailor Moon while allowing her and her friends to fight their own battles and learn to protect themselves. Even in these rough first episodes, Sailor Moon's growth is very steady and deliberate, and Tuxedo Mask is a big part of that.
Zoe
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MikeHattsu
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Oh, her.
MikeHattsu
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30 mins till the next episode.
Sailor Moon Crystal Episode 19:
I'll be honest, I always thought this part dragged and spun its wheels, both here and in the manga. That being said it is nice to see Sailor Pluto intact as I think one of the more egregious sins of the 1990s anime was the fact that they stripped her character down to almost nothing in the R season. On the inverse I think the 1990s anime ditching having three of the scouts out of commission was the better choice because their presence is sorely missed here.
I'll be honest, I always thought this part dragged and spun its wheels, both here and in the manga. That being said it is nice to see Sailor Pluto intact as I think one of the more egregious sins of the 1990s anime was the fact that they stripped her character down to almost nothing in the R season. On the inverse I think the 1990s anime ditching having three of the scouts out of commission was the better choice because their presence is sorely missed here.
That holds true to the manga as I don't remember her doing much of anything there either. Honestly, that was overall a big, big problem with the manga.
Sailor Pluto was really cool, I liked the way it showed her as cold, quiet, dangerous and deadly until Chibi-Usa showed up, it instantly humanized her and made her likable, so you feel really sorry for her when they move on. Now I absolutely need a season 2 so we can see more of her
Can't tell if I liked Dead Scream or not, I really liked how it was in the 90's anime, even though it did end up looking the same as Uranus and Neptune's attacks. I suppose It was different enough from everyone else's attacks to be pretty cool, since it was mostly a physical move which I wasn't expecting.
The Venus + Tuxedo Mask combo attack legit made me pump my fist in the air, wasn't expecting that at all.
Can't tell if I liked Dead Scream or not, I really liked how it was in the 90's anime, even though it did end up looking the same as Uranus and Neptune's attacks. I suppose It was different enough from everyone else's attacks to be pretty cool, since it was mostly a physical move which I wasn't expecting.
The Venus + Tuxedo Mask combo attack legit made me pump my fist in the air, wasn't expecting that at all.
Sailor Pluto was really cool, I liked the way it showed her as cold, quiet, dangerous and deadly until Chibi-Usa showed up, it instantly humanized her and made her likable, so you feel really sorry for her when they move on. Now I absolutely need a season 2 so we can see more of her
Can't tell if I liked Dead Scream or not, I really liked how it was in the 90's anime, even though it did end up looking the same as Uranus and Neptune's attacks. I suppose It was different enough from everyone else's attacks to be pretty cool, since it was mostly a physical move which I wasn't expecting.
The Venus + Tuxedo Mask combo attack legit made me pump my fist in the air, wasn't expecting that at all.
Sailor Pluto has a much bigger role in Black Moon then she ever did in R.
cj_iwakura
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Haruka and Michiru both have jobs that presumably get them a lot of money.
They also have mysterious patrons that seemed to be connected to Infinity Acadamy but it was something that was not really explored.
BassForever
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Sailor Moon Crystal 19
Woah did they just imply that
Don't ever recall their relationship getting that series in the original series. Also the fact that Usagi and co
meanwhile Chibi-Usa couldn't is so stupid no amount of explanation would make that plot hole okay. Pluto was pretty cool though kind of pointless if she's not going to go with them to help why bother introducing her character at all?
Woah did they just imply that
Usagi and Mamoru had sex?
are able to put 2 and 2 together the moment the see Neo Queen Serenity and King Endymion
The benefits having them of similar ages
They sure did! Happened in the manga.
I liked this ep
My only disappointment was hearing Dead Scream shouted, since it sounds much more intimidating whispered.
cj_iwakura
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You noticed that too? Sure took them long enough.
Wiseman looks great, but at least SMR was able to animate the guy.
I always thought Usagi being jealous over Chibi Usa was weird. Who does that?!
cj_iwakura
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Very needy teenagers?
Teens get jealous when their boyfriend cares for a little girl, in a couple sort of way? Mamo's face said it best that episode.
Jealousy is in the rules of being a female!Given that Usagi is meant to be based of Takeuchi, I wonder if Takeuchi gets jealous too?
Ironically, someone literally just said something similar in my rewatch of My So Called Life.
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