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Sakaguchi (Mistwalker)'s SRPG for DS ?

jarrod said:
Anyway, DS is turning into quite the little Japanese RPG machine... for confirmed stuff...

But we know so little about some of the titles!

Traditional
-Lunar Rune (Marvelous)
-Magical Vacation II (Nintendo/Brownie Brown)
-Shin Megami Tensei DS (Atlus)
-Xenosaga DS (Namco/Monolith)
-Urusei Yatsura (Marvelous)
-tba RPG (GameArts)
-tba RPG (Marvelous Interactive)
-tba RPG (Tomy)

Action/Adventure
-Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles new work (Square Enix)
-Legend of Zelda: Four Swords DS (Nintendo)
-Secret of Mana new work (Square Enix)
-Slime Morimori Dragon Quest new work (Square Enix/TOSE)
-tba ARPG (Aruze)
-tba ARPG (Hudson)

Trading/Card/Breed
-Baten Kaitos DS (Namco/Monolith)
-Dragon Quest Monsters new work (Square Enix/TOSE)
-Rakugaki Kingdom series (Taito/Gakaruta)
-Yu-Gi-OH! Nightmare Troubador (Konami)
-tba card battle (KidsStation)

As far as these go, 0% of been confirmed about the titles. Half of them have no names, and the rest are either not formally announced in any way or have no genre indicated. I wouldn't put ANY of these on a confirmed list.

The PSP list isn't much better:

Traditional
-Persona (Atlus)
-tba RPG (SCEI/Level 5)

Action/Adventure
-Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII (Square Enix)
-Princess Crown (Atlus)

Strategy/Simulation
-tba SRPG (Konami)

Trading/Card/Breed
-Rakugaki Kingdom series (Taito/Gakaruta)

Dungeon Hacks
-Fushugino Dungeon series (ChunSoft)
-King's Field series (From)

Adventure/Drama
-Novel (SCEI)
-Visual Novel series (Aqua Plus)

Simulation/Communication/other
-Harvest Moon series (Marvelous/Marucome)
-Legend of the River King series (Marvelous)
-tba MMORPG (SCEI)

Seriously now... when something is neither announced, nor are there any available information aside from a placeholder listing on some forcast list, I wouldn't call them confirmed. >_<
 
duckroll said:
-Xenosaga DS (Namco/Monolith)
-Baten Kaitos DS (Namco/Monolith)
Both of these were announced by Namco on launch day of the DS in JPN.

duckroll said:
-Legend of Zelda: Four Swords DS (Nintendo)
Was mentioned in the Zelda presentation at GDC last year.

duckroll said:
-Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles new work (Square Enix)
This was listed as far back as as E3 2004 in the press kit.

duckroll said:
-Yu-Gi-OH! Nightmare Troubador (Konami)
There have been screens and a trailer released for the game in addition to the announcement way back. This was one of the first few games announced.

duckroll said:
Seriously now... when something is neither announced, nor are there any available information aside from a placeholder listing on some forcast list, I wouldn't call them confirmed. >_<

You could say the same thing about PSP and games for the US at this point =p.
 
Robert-GCA said:
duckroll said:
-Yu-Gi-OH! Nightmare Troubador (Konami)
There have been screens and a trailer released for the game in addition to the announcement way back. This was one of the first few games announced.
That trailer was comedy. "Nightmare Trouble Door!"
 
duckroll said:
Seriously now... when something is neither announced, nor are there any available information aside from a placeholder listing on some forcast list, I wouldn't call them confirmed. >_<
At least it's a bit more concrete than "Matt says: blah blah Factor 5 blah blah GC blah blah" :lol
 
Robert-GCA said:
Both of these were announced by Namco on launch day of the DS in JPN.

No they weren't. They appeared on the official Nintendo DS "list" on the site. Namco themselves haven't said jack shit about these games. Are they RPGs? Are they ports? Side stories? No one knows. To list one as a traditional RPG and one as a card RPG is being presumtious. I'm not saying they won't be released, just that we don't know what they are.

Was mentioned in the Zelda presentation at GDC last year.

Hey Mario 128 was mentioned several years back too. :D

This was listed as far back as as E3 2004 in the press kit.

See above. I'm not saying these games won't come out, just that we know NOTHING about them. A little pointless to start trumping them as anything at this point.

There have been screens and a trailer released for the game in addition to the announcement way back. This was one of the first few games announced.

My mistake about Yugioh then.

You could say the same thing about PSP and games for the US at this point =p.

I did. :P


Jonnyram said:
At least it's a bit more concrete than "Matt says: blah blah Factor 5 blah blah GC blah blah" :lol

What? You know what you're saying right? You're basically saying that Silicon Knights Drama Fans will have nothing left to cling on to if Matt isn't the most trustworthy source ever! Be careful around these parts! :lol
 
Here's a scan of the 3 sketches.
One of the chars looks a bit like a moomba (imo)

up22372.jpg
 
duckroll said:
No they weren't. They appeared on the official Nintendo DS "list" on the site. Namco themselves haven't said jack shit about these games. Are they RPGs? Are they ports? Side stories? No one knows. To list one as a traditional RPG and one as a card RPG is being presumtious. I'm not saying they won't be released, just that we don't know what they are.

http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2004/120104a.html
"On the eve of the Japanese Nintendo DS launch, Nintendo has announced that two of Namco's RPG series will be making apperances on the handheld. Among other various games, Xenosaga DS and Baten Kaitos DS were added to the Japanese DS game line-up today."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=112690
"Most excitingly, popular RPGs Baten Kaitos and Xenosaga will be making the move to DS in the near future, although no release date has been specified and there's no word on whether the games will get a US or European release."
 
Robert-GCA said:
http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2004/120104a.html
"On the eve of the Japanese Nintendo DS launch, Nintendo has announced that two of Namco's RPG series will be making apperances on the handheld. Among other various games, Xenosaga DS and Baten Kaitos DS were added to the Japanese DS game line-up today."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=112690
"Most excitingly, popular RPGs Baten Kaitos and Xenosaga will be making the move to DS in the near future, although no release date has been specified and there's no word on whether the games will get a US or European release."

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Thanks for proving my point that you can't read.
 
jonny, from your interview,

He will continue to be involved in the Final Fantasy series as an Executive Producer

So does this mean Sakaguchi still works for Square Enix? As a contractor perhaps?
 
Pellham said:
So does this mean Sakaguchi still works for Square Enix? As a contractor perhaps?
As a contractor, yes, if they want him to. This is up to them more than him, but I think the general relationship is still pretty amicable. He just wanted more freedom, like Uematsu, Minaba etc etc... makes you think working at Square is like being in prison :lol
 
Ok I'm just curious about something. Johnny or anyone else who knows....

- Does Sakaguchi have a stake in Square Enix ownership at all?
- Did Sakaguchi LEAVE Square Enix to form Mistwalker or did he just form Mistwalker as a new independant studio while still holding a place in Square Enix?
- If Mistwalker is simply a development studio, are they planning on self-publishing or is there a possibility that Square Enix will be publishing Mistwalker games?

It's just kind of confusing because Sakaguchi seems to be running Mistwalker as a "fresh start" while still maintaining good ties with Square Enix so it doesn't really seem like the cases with Monolithsoft/Sacnoth/etc.
 
duckroll said:
It's just kind of confusing because Sakaguchi seems to be running Mistwalker as a "fresh start" while still maintaining good ties with Square Enix so it doesn't really seem like the cases with Monolithsoft/Sacnoth/etc.
The main difference is that Sakaguchi made big waves at Square with the FF games. So they wouldn't just kick him out on the street. I don't think there's an official word, but it seems that he had to leave because the movie flopped.
 
Jonnyram said:
0.32% at the end of 2004.

Can we have more information on this? So Sakaguchi *does* have a stake in Square Enix still? I'm really curious about the entire Sakaguchi/Square Enix/Mistwalker scenerio because it's kinda unique and confusing in the sense that no one seems to have a straight answer about what's REALLY happening other than Sakaguchi making non-Squaresoft games at Mistwalker with Uematsu composing.
 
I don't think the relationship between Square Enix and Sakaguchi is confusing. The simple fact is after the movie bombed hardcore, Sakaguchi essentially had his eyes cut out and simply turned into an "executive producer" who spoke little about the series other than saying "this new Final Fantasy will be the best one yet" in Hawaii of all places.

Uematsu forming his own freelance company was bound to happen, and I'm thankful for it. This is just speculation, but I think Square themselves limited Uematsu in his work. He said that in the first interview with him and Sakaguchi, he'd be composing music based on the scenario's and mood for Mistwalker's game - something that seemed to do wonders for FFVI. There is no doubt that the music seemed to fade away from the glory it used to have, perhaps due to Square essentially giving him simple pictures of glimpses of the game and saying "we want music to go with this." Who knows really but if it indeed was that way, then I'm quite sure it might be the reason for it. Either that or he completely burnt himself out on FFIX and got to the point where finishing up with one Final Fantasy then being hurled straight into the next one is too much.

Far as I know, Hironobu Sakaguchi "left" Square after FFVIII. Possibly even before. Slapping his name on the product for official good measure and purposes means nothing to me.

edit: The whole relationship reminds me of Nintendo & Square. No one is willing to tell the truth of the matter because seriously, why bother? Who ever knew that the reason Square defected to Sony was due to medium size as well as pride mixed in with a dash of Enix defecting also.
 
Cool artwork. Especially the Ohmu-like thing makes me wonder if the (colored) art that was released earlier on is also from this game. The whole 'it's for the DS now' caught me suprised, I thought they were looking for next-gen stuff. I don't mind though.

Speedpop: regarding your theory around Sakaguchi, God I hope you're right, it would be awesome to hear Sakaguchi rockin' again.
 
Jonnyram said:
Here's a scan of the 3 sketches.
One of the chars looks a bit like a moomba (imo)

up22372.jpg

Characters not ripped from a "boy band". +1 Although I wonder if it'll get the same fate as original GBA RPGs and be left in Japan.
 
Regarding Uematsu: I don't think composers can really get a fair shake working for a dev. company, they need to strike out on their own and do contract work to really have the creative and financial freedom I'm sure most people in their position would want. Uematsu is very good and therefore should be very successful on his own I'd imagine.

makes you think working at Square is like being in prison
From Square employees I've talked to its basically that 1. they see lead desigeners (gameplay or artistic) as the real talent, i.e. Matsuno, Sakaguchi, Nomura (why?) etc., everyone else can walk for all they care 2. somehow there's going to be fallout if a big project bombs (The Bouncer and cutting ties with Dream Factory, Spirits Within and Sakaguchi's ordeal, putting the breaks on any more Xeno games after Xenogears underperformed), and 3, most important regarding Sakaguchi, they'll promote productive designers up to managerial positions and pretty much prevent them from ever going back while in the company, so if they don't take to managing they're effectively doing nothing.

Sakaguchi has been executive producer of the FF series since 7 if I recall, with varying degrees of involvement, but never a whole lot. Mist Walkers strikes me as Sakaguchi essentially telling Square "hey, I want to make games again so I'm gone, but keep me in the loop regarding my baby and I'll help with whatever you need". I'm sure its an amicable relationship, and I'd be willing to bet that if Sakaguchi doesn't have a game published by a 1st party that Square Enix will be the one picking it up.
 
Xenogears didn't underperform though. It was just horribly delayed with poor management. XG sold almost a million in Japan (800+k). I'm not really seeing this "if a game bombs Square kills people" thing because I'm seeing otherwise. Bouncer was actually directed by Tokita, and while it bombed, he still got his own studio after the Square Enix merger and gets to continue making Hanjuku Hero games even after vs3D flopped. Vagrant Story bombed hard sales-wise too, but Matsuno not only gets his own studio, but also Quest and FFXII. :)
 
Someone *dares* question my lists!!! Off with his head!!


duckroll said:
But we know so little about some of the titles!
I want to know more too, but an official announcement is good enough for the list.


duckroll said:
As far as these go, 0% of been confirmed about the titles. Half of them have no names, and the rest are either not formally announced in any way or have no genre indicated. I wouldn't put ANY of these on a confirmed list.
Nope, they've all been formally announced (except Zelda). All formally announced games had their genre indicated as well. And as has been pointed out, YGO DS was one of the first shown DS games with a trailer at E3 last year, it releases this spring actually.


duckroll said:
Seriously now... when something is neither announced, nor are there any available information aside from a placeholder listing on some forcast list, I wouldn't call them confirmed. >_<
Again, these aren't "guesses" or placeholder forecasts. All these games are in R&D, they're all coming. And they've all been formally announced, meaning they're fair game for an announced RPG listing.


duckroll said:
No they weren't. They appeared on the official Nintendo DS "list" on the site. Namco themselves haven't said jack shit about these games.
Namco says they exist.


duckroll said:
A little pointless to start trumping them as anything at this point.
We're just trumpeting them as announced... I don't think it too early for that.
 
neptunes said:
So who's going to step in and publish this?

Wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo did, actually. Like they do with most Square/Enix GBA games in the US.

Great news BTW!
 
jarrod said:
Someone *dares* question my lists!!! Off with his head!!

Ok, you can off my head if you answer the next 2 questions well. :D

Again, these aren't "guesses" or placeholder forecasts. All these games are in R&D, they're all coming. And they've all been formally announced, meaning they're fair game for an announced RPG listing.

The placeholder comment was made regarding the games you lised as "some strategy game" and "a RPG" and so on. Can you actually honestly say those games have been ANNOUNCED?



Did Namco say they're RPGs in any form?

:D
 
duckroll said:
The placeholder comment was made regarding the games you lised as "some strategy game" and "a RPG" and so on. Can you actually honestly say those games have been ANNOUNCED?
They appeared on an official release list. I'd say that's an announcement.


duckroll said:
Did Namco say they're RPGs in any form?
They must've told Nintendo they were as that's the genre given on their press sheets. ;)

Gimme dat head!
 
jarrod said:
They appeared on an official release list. I'd say that's an announcement.

That's a shitty answer. Where's Mother 3? That has a NAME, and has been on official release lists for a longass time! :D

They must've told Nintendo they were as that's the genre given on their press sheets. ;)

Another shitty answer! Where's this "press sheet" because I don't see them listed as "RPG" anywhere. :D

Gimme dat head!

Damn I almost read that as "Gimme head!", you gotta stop scaring me like that. :lol
 
Tabris said:
jarrod's lists suck.

most of those games won't actually come out.

What, are you doubting gems like:

-tba RPG (GameArts)
-tba RPG (Marvelous Interactive)
-tba RPG (Tomy)
-tba ARPG (Aruze)
-tba ARPG (Hudson)
-tba card battle (KidsStation)

on the DS and:

-tba SRPG (Konami)
-Novel (SCEI)
-Visual Novel series (Aqua Plus)
-tba MMORPG (SCEI)

on the PSP?

These games are CLEARLY in full-swing development and have been formly announced! In fact, I'm losing my head over this! :lol
 
-tba RPG (GameArts)
-tba RPG (Marvelous Interactive)
-tba RPG (Tomy)
-tba ARPG (Aruze)
-tba ARPG (Hudson)
-tba card battle (KidsStation)

You'd think one of these companies would have locked down the exclusive on the 'tba' series, or at least not release 'tba' games in the same genre.
 
duckroll said:
That's a shitty answer. Where's Mother 3? That has a NAME, and has been on official release lists for a longass time! :D
No it hasn't... at least not for DS or PSP. :)


duckroll said:
Another shitty answer! Where's this "press sheet" because I don't see them listed as "RPG" anywhere. :D
Erm, seems NCL's taken the software listing down in their current page update. :(


duckroll said:
Damn I almost read that as "Gimme head!", you gotta stop scaring me like that. :lol
Lucky for you I'm married. Sweetheart.


Tabris said:
jarrod's lists suck.

most of those games won't actually come out.
Care to stake a ban on it? It might take until late 2006, but I'm game. :)
 
Care to stake a ban on it? It might take until late 2006, but I'm game.
I don't think duckroll's title has enough space left for another bet.

Anyways,

Doesn't really matter. All that effort to prove that a game is at some undefined stage in production.

DS will have a healthy line-up of RPGs.

Cheers
 
Deku said:
I don't think duckroll's title has enough space left for another bet.
Hint: It wasn't duckroll. Besides, I'd rather see Ducky stick around.


duckroll said:
Tell you what, you can have my head, but I want you to take back what you said about Ridge Racers! Here's the head. :D

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Okay, Ridge Racers is a totally new game... with totally old track design. :P
 
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/02/04/news_6117946.html

TOKYO--Former Square vice president Hironobu Sakaguchi has revealed that his new game studio, Mistwalker, is currently developing a title exclusively for the Nintendo DS. In an interview on Nintendo's DS site, Sakaguchi shares some details about the as-yet-untitled strategy RPG that he and his studio are crafting.

"I'm a real fan of strategy role-playing games, but I've never created one myself. So I'm planning to design one on my own, writing its scenario as well," Sakaguchi said in the interview. "I think that the elements in strategy RPGs, such as moving around the pieces or instructing [pieces to move to] areas, go perfectly with the touch-sensitive panel. I'm hoping to make it into a game that can be deeply enjoyed with just the stylus."
 
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