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Sanders campaign throws pro-palestine group out of campaign event

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B-Dubs

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The article is via Benji in the PoliGAF thread.

In 2004, while President George W. Bush was running for re-election, he developed a sinister reputation for aggressively banishing political dissent from his events. Bush “rewrote the playbook for organizing campaign rallies,” USA Today declared, ejecting from them people who scrawled anti-war messages on signs and shirts. The ACLU sued and successfully settled with the federal government over one couple’s thwarted attempts to wear anti-Bush t-shirts to a 2004 rally. One political science professor even compared Bush to Richard Nixon over the suppressive behavior at these events.

Fast forward to 2015, this past Saturday, when Bernie Sanders, an increasingly viable contender for the Democratic presidential nomination, held one of his biggest campaign rallies to date, drawing more than 20,000 people to an event at the Boston convention center. Among those visitors were a number of young activists from Boston Students for Justice in Palestine, who were curious about Sanders’ position on the occupied territories. They had a sign with them; in a playful nod to one of Sanders’ campaign slogans, it simply asked, “Will Ya Feel The Bern For Palestine?” The activists say they were well-received by other Sanders supporters in the crowd.

But staffers working for a candidate widely viewed as one of the most progressive members of the Senate were apparently not happy. Security was made aware of a threat: Some students who support Sanders were holding a sign with a question on it. A tactic right out of the Bush campaign “playbook” went into action.

“They told us to either put the sign away or leave,” said Sana Hashmani, one of the student activists. “We asked why, and they said that Bernie’s campaign staff had said the sign had to go.”

There had been no signs of trouble previously. The pro-Palestine group was doing nothing unusual — except, perhaps, for daring to question Sanders about territories occupied by Israel, of which Sanders has been a not-entirely-progressive supporter. “When we got there and entered the overflow space with our sign, people were supporting us and taking pictures, and other people had signs talking about various social issues as well,” Hashmani said.

In a brief cell phone video of the incident, security staff can be seen threatening to arrest the students if they didn’t leave the premises.

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But the ejection of pro-Palestine students from the Sanders rally surfaced a bigger question with a potentially more disturbing answer: Can this candidate, beloved by the left wing, learn to cope more tolerantly with protest and dissent?

Already, Sanders has been criticized for his handling of Black Lives Matter protesters at his events. Boston Students for Justice in Palestine are also worried about a tendency to marginalize, rather than engage, critics.

“What concerns us most,” read a post about the incident on the group’s Facebook page, “about being unwelcome in this political space on the basis of a sign is not what is says about Bernie’s stance on Palestine, but rather, his team’s refusal to entertain diverse viewpoints. Is this how Bernie is going to answer those, supporters and non-supporters alike, who ask challenging questions about his views? Just silencing them?”

In recent months, Sanders has been transformed from an obscure candidate into a potent challenger to Hillary Clinton. This effort has come in large part due to a committed progressive base, who contribute not just by attending Sanders rallies but financially, with small individual donations that have become a tidal wave, helping the candidate stay competitive. For this young base, the suggestion that his campaign is unreceptive to their views, perhaps even willing to silence them, is particularly dispiriting.

“The way they reacted to us trying to bring up this issue was very aggressive,” said Jose Godoy, one of the students ejected from the event. “They singled us out, and didn’t seem to want this issue to be brought up at all.”

That view was echoed by Ibrahim Sumaira, who said, “We look up to Bernie Sanders on a lot of issues, but we don’t want the same thing to happen where we believed that Barack Obama would meaningfully change foreign policy and nothing of that sort ended up occurring.”

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/dissent-on-israel-not-permitted-at-bernie-sanders-event/

While it was, according to Bernie's campaign, a low level staffer that got these people thrown out it does show a pattern as far as dealing with groups that might question the candidate on his views. There was no real reason to throw these people out as all they were doing was holding a sign.

This is basically a mistake his campaign needs to stop making.
 

benjipwns

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Well, at least Hillary is clear on this issue:
Hillary Clinton has penned a letter to mega-donor Haim Saban and Jewish organization leaders expressing her strong and unequivocal support for Israel in the face of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanction movement, known as “BDS.”

“I know you agree that we need to make countering BDS a priority,” she writes, asking for aid working “across party lines” to “fight back against further attempts to isolate and delegitimize Israel.”

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The letter, dated July 2, was sent to Saban, a longtime Clinton donor and an owner of Univision, as well as to the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, a campaign spokeswoman said.

BDS, Clinton writes, “seeks to punish Israel and dictate how the Israelis and Palestinians should resolve the core issues of their conflict. This is not the path to peace.”

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Clinton says she is also concerned by comparisons of Israel to South African apartheid. “Israel is a vibrant democracy in a region dominated by autocracy, and it faces existential threats to its survival,” she writes. “Particularly at a time when anti-Semitism is on the rise across the world — especially in Europe — we need to repudiate forceful efforts to malign and undermine Israel and the Jewish people.”

In the letter, she also reminds the recipients that as a U.S. senator and secretary of state she opposed “dozens of anti-Israel resolutions at the UN…and other international organizations.” She writes that she supported Israel after the Goldstone Report. “Time after time I have made it clear that America will always stand up for Israel — and that’s what I’ll always do as President,” she writes.

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Clinton, in the letter, calls the Jewish State a “modern day miracle — a vibrant bloom in the middle of a desert”
 

HiResDes

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Took exactly 5 posts for "BUT HILLARY!" to show up.

It's smart to consider the actions of other candidates as well in a presidential race where only one can ultimately win and the other options could be potentially be best. No one's perfect man.
 
I've seen a lot people on the far left criticize Sanders for his moderately pro-Israel stances. I haven't looked much into it though.
 

Bronx-Man

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It's smart to consider the actions of other candidates as well in a presidential race where only one can ultimately win and the other options could be potentially be best. No one's perfect man.

It's not that, it's the fact that Sanders supporters can't go 5 minutes without saying something about Hillary instead of championing their own dude. It's the political equivalent of a guy in a FilmGAF thread that disses Ant-Man when someone asks them why they liked Man of Steel.
 
I like Bernie. My boyfriend (who is a huge Bernie supporter) and I have donated to his campaign, we have a campaign sign in the yard and my boyfriend slapped a campaign bumper sticker on my car. But he's a bit of a one note candidate.

Hillary is now pushing an extremely aggressive agenda for gun law reform and Sanders' history on gun control has also been pretty fucking wishy washy. So it'll be interesting to see how he navigates gun control in the debate this month.
 

Dogtooth

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I'm supporting Sanders, but this is probably his worst issue. I'm more tolerant of his conflicted position on gun control. And I think he's shown an interest in getting racial and gender justice issues right, despite coming up short.

But his position on Israel/Palestine is indefensible. I can understand that being a dealbreaker for people.

To those saying "But Hillary!": Sanders needs motivated supporters to go out and stump for him. He doesn't have the corporate backing of Clinton, and he's rejecting Super PAC resources. The choice isn't between Sanders and Clinton. The choice is between Sanders and apathy.
 
Once is an instance, twice is a hobby.

This isn't new behavior for Sanders. His rhetoric on Israel hasn't changed in 30 years (like much of his economic policy.) Again, this goes back to what I've said before. If Sanders is left alone to talk about (isolationist) economic policy, he's perfectly fine. The minute it has to do with anything else, anything he's remotely not 100% comfortable with, the whole thing starts to fall apart. He switches from "passionate" to "angry," although I think he's far more angry than passionate. See BLM. See his stance on gun control. See his statements on Israel, Palestine and Hamas.
 

Ashok

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Good. Probably the first time I've actually agreed with the Bernie Sanders campaign on anything since TPP.
 
It's not that, it's the fact that Sanders supporters can't go 5 minutes without saying something about Hillary instead of championing their own dude. It's the political equivalent of a guy in a FilmGAF thread that disses Ant-Man when someone asks them why they liked Man of Steel.

Sure, except benji isn't a supporter of anyone whose end goals involve the continued existence of the state.
 

Wall

Member
Yeah, Sander's position on the Israel/ Palestine conflict doesn't line up with mine - I don't think anyway. I honestly haven't looked into it much. What happened doesn't surprise me though. I don't think there is an American politicIan at the national level who is very sympathetic to Palistian cause. It won't hurt him with voters though.

This isn't a "but what about" thing either. No two people are going to agree on every single issue. That holds especially true if one of them is a political candidate.
 

Mr. Sam

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It's not that, it's the fact that Sanders supporters can't go 5 minutes without saying something about Hillary instead of championing their own dude. It's the political equivalent of a guy in a FilmGAF thread that disses Ant-Man when someone asks them why they liked Man of Steel.

Is Hillary not the frontrunner in the same race that Sanders is running? I don't see why that's unusual.
 

BigDug13

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Are there any candidates that support Palestine? Isn't this just par for the course of every single candidate? We are the sugar daddy of Israel after all.
 

Jag

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B-Dubs

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Of course people fail to also report that the staffer was removed from future events and the Sanders campaign apologized to the student group.

Sanders campaign apologizes for threatened arrest of pro-Palestine activists outside Boston rally

Of course, reporting only half a story makes better sensational news.

That doesn't change the fact that it happened or make it better. It also doesn't change his history on the issue or how he's dealt with people questioning his views on it in the past.
 
Are there any candidates that support Palestine? Isn't this just par for the course of every single candidate? We are the sugar daddy of Israel after all.

Even if you don't support Palestine, as a candidate, this is a bad move.

At the least, you should hear the concerns of the people you will represent, even if you don't agree with them.
 

Dogtooth

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Are there any candidates that support Palestine? Isn't this just par for the course of every single candidate? We are the sugar daddy of Israel after all.

Keith Ellison and Jim McDermott are pretty good, but you're right. We are the sugar daddy, and our reps in DC reflect that consensus.
 

BigDug13

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Even if you don't support Palestine, as a candidate, this is a bad move.

At the least, you should hear the concerns of the people you will represent, even if you don't agree with them.

I agree with you here. But some people in this very thread see his Palestine stance, and not the blocking of protestors as their issue and deal breaker. My question to those people would be which candidate is better in that regard.

As far as simply blocking all oppositional viewpoints, totally agree that it's not a good look for Sanders.
 

noshten

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Yeah, Sander's position on the Israel/ Palestine conflict doesn't line up with mine - I don't think anyway. I honestly haven't looked into it much. What happened doesn't surprise me though. I don't think there is an American politicIan at the national level who is very sympathetic to Palistian cause. It won't hurt him with voters though.

This isn't a "but what about" thing either. No two people are going to agree on every single issue. That holds especially true if one of them is a political candidate.

The campaign apologized for the occurrence, but no doubt he is a pro-Israel politician. I doubt he will be as "hard" on Israel especially in rhetoric as Obama.

Jeff Weaver, Sanders’s campaign manager, said Monday that the instructions to take down the pro-Palestine sign came from a “rogue” low-level campaign employee.

“That person has been excluded from working on any of our future events,” Weaver said, adding that the campaign had apologized to the student group.
 
I don't think the point is the position, which is shitty but not unsurprising. The point is the reinforcement of the rather negative image of Sanders and (some of) his supporters. A lot of us say that if we don't immediately "feel the Bern" we get attacked or marginalized. Here's an example of his campaign marginalizing someone who, to be frank, isn't that far out of line with Bernie's stance. (Or maybe they are. Trying to navigate Bernie's stance on Israel/Palestine is freaking confusing as all hell.) This just feeds into the narrative that, like it or not, his campaign needs to address. The way they handled BLM was freaking horrible.(His campaign apologizes, then he comes out and redacts the apology?)

When someone challenges his position on gun control, what's he going to do? Sanders has never really been exposed on the national stage. He got to run in lily white, liberal Vermont. He, like his supporters, is going to find you need support of people who don't automatically cow toe to your position because you're the Great Progressive Socialist Savior.
 

The Technomancer

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The campaign apologized for the occurrence, but no doubt he is a pro-Israel politician. I doubt he will be as "hard" on Israel especially in rhetoric as Obama.

I'm not even a big Bernie fan but are there any serious politicians on a national stage who aren't pro-israel/anti-Palestine?
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
I'm not even a big Bernie fan but are there any serious politicians on a national stage who aren't pro-israel/anti-Palestine?

That's a non-starter in American politics right now. Criticizing Israel at all is a no-no. Obama's the closest we're gonna get, to any real criticism of how Israel is handling the situation, for a while.
 

JustenP88

I earned 100 Gamerscore™ for collecting 300 widgets and thereby created Trump's America
I'm not even a big Bernie fan but are there any serious politicians on a national stage who aren't pro-israel/anti-Palestine?

No, but it's inappropriate to compare candidates competing in an election.
 

dramatis

Member
I think ultimately the voters who support Bernie don't have Palestine/Israel as a high priority item on their lists.

What's probably objectionable here is his campaign staff.

That's great to hear then.
If you see the chairman meow avatar, run

Well sometimes benji has good things to say but he's also mind gaming people all the time
 
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