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Sanders campaign throws pro-palestine group out of campaign event

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Another situation where a stupid mistake is made and now everyone will laser focus on it for days as some example that Sanders is actually the worst candidate ever. They removed the staffer from future events and apologized to the student group, which is exactly what they should have done.
 

enewtabie

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I'm surprised that anyone would think he's not Pro- Israel considering his background. That's not to say he can't envision a state of Palestine at some point.
 
It's not that, it's the fact that Sanders supporters can't go 5 minutes without saying something about Hillary instead of championing their own dude. It's the political equivalent of a guy in a FilmGAF thread that disses Ant-Man when someone asks them why they liked Man of Steel.

"Why do you support *insert political candidate*?"
"He's better than the other guys."
"Why the FUCK are you dodging my questions???"
 

Cheebo

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Bernie's right-wing stance on gun remains a much much bigger issue to me than these little flaps.

In the end it is safe to say the Bernie bubble burst weeks ago. His poll numbers basically hit a wall in the last month and have not moved up at all as Hillary actually began seriously campaigning. It was bound to happen the second Hillary started getting out there.
 

Bronx-Man

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If Bernie isn't careful, a lot of his supporters will hop back onto the Ron Paul R[EVOL]UTION.
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Flo_Evans

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Sounds like a whole lot of nothing.

“Again, I think that you have volatile regions in the world, the Middle East is one of them, and the United States has got to work with other countries around the world to fight for Israel’s security and existence at the same time as we fight for a Palestinian state where the people in that country can enjoy a decent standard of living, which is certainly not the case right now. My long-term hope is that instead of pouring so much military aid into Israel, into Egypt, we can provide more economic aid to help improve the standard of living of the people in that area.”

“Has Israel overreacted? Have they bombed UN facilities? The answer is yes, and that is terribly, terribly wrong,”

“What is going on in the Middle East right now is obviously a tragedy, there’s no question about it. The sight of Israeli soldiers breaking the arms and legs of Arabs is reprehensible. The idea of Israel closing down towns and sealing them off is unacceptable,”

“We are pouring billions of dollars in arms into Arab countries. We have the clout to demand they and Israel, who we’re also heavily financing, to begin to sit down and work out a sensible solution to the problem which would guarantee the existence of the State of Israel and which would also protect Palestinian rights,”
 

ChaosXVI

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If Bernie isn't careful, a lot of his supporters will hop back onto the Ron Paul R[EVOL]UTION.

I still don't understand this recurring comparison. Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders are about as different as Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush. One is a pro-life libertarian, and the other is a hard left (for America at least) Democratic-Socialist.
 
I agree with you here. But some people in this very thread see his Palestine stance, and not the blocking of protestors as their issue and deal breaker. My question to those people would be which candidate is better in that regard.

As far as simply blocking all oppositional viewpoints, totally agree that it's not a good look for Sanders.

There's what a candidate says and what a candidate believes.

Obama is a good example. Look at candidate Obama's stance of marijuana and same-sex marriage.

Look at president Obama's stance of the same. He says "they've evolved". Have they?

I'm not saying this is true for Hilary, but you can't always evaluate a candidate based solely on what was said.
 

Bronx-Man

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I still don't understand this recurring comparison. Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders are about as different as Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush. One is a pro-life libertarian, and the other is a hard left (for America at least) Democratic-Socialist.
It's not who they are, it's their fanbases that try to turn them into shitty reddit memes like zombies and bacon.
 
He's been a vocal supporter of a two state solution since the 80s.

He marched with MLK too, doesn't change what that poster said about his supporters.

I still don't understand this recurring comparison. Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders are about as different as Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush. One is a pro-life libertarian, and the other is a hard left (for America at least) Democratic-Socialist.

It doesn't matter. It seems like most Bernie fans are simply anti-establishment. That's why you'll hear them say stuff like "Ben Carson isn't that bad!"
 

noshten

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For the exclusion people keep harping on about - Sanders is the most progressive politician running for office. He is the only one that was for gay marriage way before it became politically popular for the left.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/648529106947063810

How I Got Trans Rights on Bernie Sanders Radar. And You Should, Too.
All I wanted for my birthday this year was two golden tickets, Bernie Sanders was hosting a “Meet & Greet” in NYC. Since May, I’ve had this strategy of using Sanders to get transgender civil rights national attention during the 2016 election. To be honest, I’ve had a lot of failed actions (good ideas, lack of participation) so I never planned for this to actually go anywhere. But I really support Bernie, he seemed like our best chance for equality and like it or not — he’s on an express train to the white house.
So I started Transgender Advocates for Bernie Sanders to ensure we were a part of the political conversation before it was too late and we became forgotten. I wouldn’t understand how important this was until I marched with People for Bernie at NYC Pride.

Even in the age of Caitlyn Jenner, you wouldn’t know being transgender has anything to do with the LGBT community from where I marched. Not one trans flag, except for the Bernie logos. I felt like I was intruding with my morbid sign about my trans female friend being raped in a Westchester male prison around mostly straight, cis people feeling the burn. But after I met some people, we started breaking out into the usual stock Bernie chants: minimum wage, money in politics, free public college. Then Katherine Brezler starts chanting, “Trans lives matter!”

Something that would’ve never happened if my GF and I weren’t there. And it had an impact. This is when I realized the power of a single activist, to change an entire atmosphere.

But when I entered The Town Hall, I quickly realized I wasn’t going to meet him by chance (or at all.) I came for nothing but a speech. Which would be okay if it wasn’t for the fact that I spent $100 for the tickets alone and promised my contributors that I was coming here with one mission: to talk to Bernie Sanders — directly, about trans rights. So I took out my DSLR and blended with the press effortlessly.
It frightens me how easy it was to get right next to a presidential hopeful without being touched by one security guard. (See below)

After confronting Senator Sanders on stage, he walked away in a hurry and kind of ignored what I was saying. I was regretting not shutting it down but focused my efforts on making sure he wouldn’t leave this city without knowing my name. So we drilled him 3 more times that day.

By the time we got the Late Night with Colbert, he was practically running away from us. As a supporter, that kind of hurts. But as my girlfriend said, “we’re changing the course of his reality.” And as an activist, that was the most important thing, Bernie knew I was there and wasn’t going away easily.


Just like that, less than 2 weeks later, Bernie Sanders stands alone in tweeting support for trans housing rights. Yes, I get it, he’s always supported LGBT rights. But he’s never really talked about the T specifically, no one does. We literally have different issues, more complex and often dangerous issues. Marriage is the least of our concerns, especially with crippling poverty. The only statement Bernie has ever made about trans people was in an AMA when asked about discrimination in the military, which isn’t really the highlight of transgender liberation.

So where do we go from here? As transgender activist Lourdes Hunter said, “what you call progress … to celebrate and revel in what some call a baby step and it was nothing but a tweet… not a piece of policy, not that he hired 15 trans women of color to run parts of his campaign, not that he stood up against the violence that happens everyday to black trans women…NOPE, a tweet got y’all all excited.” This is a promising step for Sanders. Hell, it’s more than Hillary’s done, she completely ignored #BlackTransLivesMatter activists when confronted.

But we deserve more than 140 characters.

http://planettransgender.com/got-trans-rights-bernie-sanders-radar/
 
Official campaign reply should probably be posted for posterity.

This is Bernie’s campaign manager. This was done by a low level staffer and a volunteer without authorization. The staffer has now been banned from working future events. The sign in question was appropriate and in the spirit of many of the other signs there. I have talked personally with the people excluded and expressed my regrets about this happening. When I talked with the reporter he said the story had not gone up yet and he said this information would be included but somehow it was not. Admittedly it was later in the day so maybe he just decided to let it run in its current form without update. Other event staff are being informed about this and instructed to ensure this doesn’t happen again. Hope that clears things up.
 
It's not that, it's the fact that Sanders supporters can't go 5 minutes without saying something about Hillary instead of championing their own dude. It's the political equivalent of a guy in a FilmGAF thread that disses Ant-Man when someone asks them why they liked Man of Steel.

Still twice as good as long for other people to come in and yapping about annoying fans. All politicians have annoying ass fans who think they are apart of it. It's reaching to grasp on to fandom. Hilary fans, Trump fans.. It's all from the same cloth.
 

Dogtooth

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Bernie's right-wing stance on gun remains a much much bigger issue to me than these little flaps.

In the end it is safe to say the Bernie bubble burst weeks ago. His poll numbers basically hit a wall in the last month and have not moved up at all as Hillary actually began seriously campaigning. It was bound to happen the second Hillary started getting out there.

I don't think Sanders is "right-wing" on gun control. He has supported a variety of gun control measures. He supported the assault weapons ban. He voted to expand federal background checks. He voted to ban high capacity magazines. He has an "F" rating from the NRA.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

He has opposed gun control measures that I would prefer he support. But he's far from 'right-wing'. I think his positions reflect both representing a rural state, and the conflicted view of guns held on the socialist left.
 

Valhelm

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It's not that, it's the fact that Sanders supporters can't go 5 minutes without saying something about Hillary instead of championing their own dude. It's the political equivalent of a guy in a FilmGAF thread that disses Ant-Man when someone asks them why they liked Man of Steel.

IDK man. He solely exists to be an alternative for Hillary Clinton.
 

Wall

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So all of this over the actions of a campaign staffer whose actions the campaign later apologized for? That's actually more than most campaigns would do in that situation. I guarantee you all that there isn't a major political campaign at the Presidential level that hasn't thrown people out at one point or another. People are just focusing on this because the perception is that Sander's is a "radical", so people expect him to be a doctrinair leftist on everything. I guarantee that if the reverse was happening, if Sander's were running around screaming free Palastine at his rallies, people would be using that as evidence of his pie in the sky radicalism and inherent unelectability.

And yes, I did make an implied comparison to other candidates up there because in an election it is impossible not to. I can't manufacture a candidate that magically reflects all of my positions, and I can't seize power and become Wall The First of His Name, King of the Americans, so I am sadly left with no choice but to support the candidate that is overall closest to me on their positions. Guaranteed, overall Hillary has a much more hawkish foreign policy than either Obama or Sanders. This is a non- issue in the grand scheme of American politics.
 
I don't think Sanders is "right-wing" on gun control. He has supported a variety of gun control measures. He supported the assault weapons ban. He voted to expand federal background checks. He voted to ban high capacity magazines. He has an "F" rating from the NRA.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

He has opposed gun control measures that I would prefer he support. But he's far from 'right-wing'. I think his positions reflect both representing a rural state, and the conflicted view of guns held on the socialist left.




NRA sound evil. Holy shit.

During the 1994 campaign the NRA had played a very forceful role against me. They distributed widely a "Bye, Bye, Bernie" bumper sticker.
Vermont is a rural state in which tens of thousands of people enjoy hunting and own guns. VT is an "outdoor" state--and hunting is a key part of that way of life. I am pro-gun, and pro-hunting. But I don't believe that hunters need assault weapons and AK-47s to kill deer. I voted for the ban on assault weapons, which brought the wrath of the NRS down on me.


But why not handguns too? Why not just have hunting rifles. Those that are not semi automatic. A handgun is so scary because its easily concealable and can fire a lot of rounds fast. Even if it's possible to hunt with handguns, it seems ineffective.
 
And so the Great White Socialist Hope begins to crumble.


I think that's a bit reactionary. Bernie, personally, wasn't involved in any of this. Beyond removing the staffer from future events and apologizing to the students, I don't know what else the campaign is expected to do in this instance. I don't think Bernie has impenetrable socialist armor or anything, but I don't think this is, by any means, the beginning of the end for him.
 

Bronx-Man

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I think that's a bit reactionary. Bernie, personally, wasn't involved in any of this. Beyond removing the staffer from future events and apologizing to the students, I don't know what else the campaign is expected to do in this instance. I don't think Bernie has impenetrable socialist armor or anything, but I don't think this is, by any means, the beginning of the end for him.
I wouldn't go as far as saying that his campaign is over but between this and BLM, there's some cracks starting to show.
 

Wall

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Well, I am a Sander's supporter and I will continue to be. I can't control the actions of Sander's supporters who are behaving like assholes, but I will call out behavior when I see it. In this thread, though, all I see are attacks on Sanders and his supporters.
 
I don't think Sanders is "right-wing" on gun control. He has supported a variety of gun control measures. He supported the assault weapons ban. He voted to expand federal background checks. He voted to ban high capacity magazines. He has an "F" rating from the NRA.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

He has opposed gun control measures that I would prefer he support. But he's far from 'right-wing'. I think his positions reflect both representing a rural state, and the conflicted view of guns held on the socialist left.

The NRA is a pro-Republican power. They nearly automatically fail any Democrat on principle alone.

However, if Hillary Clinton had voted against the Brady Act or the PLCAA, people would be calling for her head on a spike. With Bernie though, it's just, aw shucks, he's from Vermont, dontcha know? And they like their guns, so it's okay.

Hillary sneezes at the wrong moment and it's burn the she-devil!

(And I'm not saying you, specifically, just in general.)
 

Lowmelody

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This is fucked up. I would like Berny to comment on this now. I wont be supporting pro ethnic cleansing candidates.
 

Valhelm

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I wouldn't go as far as saying that his campaign is over but between this and BLM, there's some cracks starting to show.

If you don't mind me asking, do you think Hillary Clinton would do more to help black people than Bernie Sanders?
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
I don't think Sanders is "right-wing" on gun control. He has supported a variety of gun control measures. He supported the assault weapons ban. He voted to expand federal background checks. He voted to ban high capacity magazines. He has an "F" rating from the NRA.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm

He has opposed gun control measures that I would prefer he support. But he's far from 'right-wing'. I think his positions reflect both representing a rural state, and the conflicted view of guns held on the socialist left.

Compared to everyone else running he is far to the right on the issue. Voted against the Brady bill and voted for immunity for gun sellers and manufacturers. The first he might be able to explain away, but I can't think of an argument that will make the second OK.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
None of the candidates running are pro-Palestine guys
 
Well, I am a Sander's supporter and I will continue to be. I can't control the actions of Sander's supporters who are behaving like assholes, but I will call out behavior when I see it. In this thread, though, all I see are attacks on Sanders and his supporters.

Again, criticizing a candidate does not equate to attacking him/her.

I posted a link to a story that showed Sanders telling people at a town hall to shut up because they didn't agree with him on this issue. He has a perception problem. Plain and simple. He could try to fix it. If, you know, he ran polls or shit that showed him these things.....
 
I wouldn't go as far as saying that his campaign is over but between this and BLM, there's some cracks starting to show.

Certainly. Every candidate has pros and cons. That his stances on Israel/Palestine and gun control are more moderate-democrat than they are far-left, as most of his views are by US standards, is not new information. Bernie Sanders has been, if nothing else, pretty consistent throughout his career. It isn't hard to know where he stands on a given issue, and I don't think anything during the campaign is going to expose his support of certain ideals as insincere, as seems to be the narrative by some.

Edit- in regard to snafus during events, it will require Bernie personally snapping at someone to do serious damage to his campaign. IMO.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
If you don't mind me asking, do you think Hillary Clinton would do more to help black people than Bernie Sanders?
She's met and discussed with BLM members multiple times and said that if elected, she wants to reform the US criminal justice system.

But since you wanna bring her up so often, I wanna ask you if you think Bernie would really do more to help black people than Hillary.
 
If you don't mind me asking, do you think Hillary Clinton would do more to help black people than Bernie Sanders?

I love this question. I truly believe that neither candidate will be able to undo 400 years of injustice. Both have stated different approaches so far, but the truth of the matter is that Bernie is not some guaranteed savior of black people. His policies have to get through Congress, just like Hilary's would. Let's not pretend that Bernie has the power to put a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage.
 

Wall

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Again, criticizing a candidate does not equate to attacking him/her.

I posted a link to a story that showed Sanders telling people at a town hall to shut up because they didn't agree with him on this issue. He has a perception problem. Plain and simple. He could try to fix it. If, you know, he ran polls or shit that showed him these things.....

Realistically, if Sander's loses, I don't think it will be because he is perceived as rude to pro-Palistinian protesters or too pro-Israel. For that matter, I don't think being insufficiently left on gun control will cost him much either. If anything, the latter position might help him in rural areas in the primary and possibly the general if he gets there.
 
Realistically, if Sander's loses, I don't think it will be because he is perceived as rude to pro-Palistinian protesters or too pro-Israel. For that matter, I don't think being insufficiently left on gun control will cost him much either. If anything, the latter position might help him in rural areas in the primary and possibly the general if he gets there.

Yeah, its funny that folks mention how white Bernie's supporters are, because I really do think Bernie has made a concerted effort in the campaign to court working class white voters back to the democratic party. His speech at liberty is a great example of this.
 
I'm hearing from Bernie friends that the group was thrown out over violating limits on the size of signs, not the sign's content.

Grain of salt, but FWIW.
 

HiResDes

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She's met and discussed with BLM members multiple times and said that if elected, she wants to reform the US criminal justice system.

But since you wanna bring her up so often, I wanna ask you if you think Bernie would really do more to help black people than Hillary.

Yes, I most certainly do by narrowing the separation of wealth, promoting many federal assisted programs for impoverished people, and reforming both the prison and educational systems with the promise to try and make college cheaper. Race and class are more connected than many black people seem to realize.
 

B-Dubs

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I'm hearing from Bernie friends that the group was thrown out over violating limits on the size of signs, not the sign's content.

Grain of salt, but FWIW.

His campaign would have said that in their statements to the press if it were the case.

Realistically, if Sander's loses, I don't think it will be because he is perceived as rude to pro-Palistinian protesters or too pro-Israel. For that matter, I don't think being insufficiently left on gun control will cost him much either. If anything, the latter position might help him in rural areas in the primary and possibly the general if he gets there.

Being to the right, relatively, will hurt him in the cities during the primary.
 

Cheebo

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Yeah, its funny that folks mention how white Bernie's supporters are, because I really do think Bernie has made a concerted effort in the campaign to court working class white voters back to the democratic party. His speech at liberty is a great example of this.

But that is pretty meaningless in a Dem primary. If you don't have a majority support of the African American Democratic primary voters you cannot win the primaries, period. The African American base dominate the the southern primaries, it is why Hillary typically leads by extremely high margins in polling in the south as compared to the more northern primary states.
 
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