You don't pick your clone as VP. You pick somebody different from you.
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Warren is genuinely a bad idea. She's much too similar to Sanders and the Senate needs her. If Sanders decided to step down after a term, she'd be in an excellent position to run regardless of whether she was VP or not.
ErasureAcer
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I like Warren. She voted against Bernie today though on Rand Paul's Audit the Fed bill(Bernie yes to Audit the Fed, Warren No). I think only Tammy Baldwin(D-WI) voted with Bernie from Democratic Caucus to Audit the Fed. Bernie working on those crossover votes!
I don't know who Bernie is going to pick as VP. I was dead set on it being Warren before...but I wouldn't put Jerry Brown(Governor of California) out of the running either. Bernie would then look much younger! Flip the house by threatening people of a Paul Ryan Presidency should Bernie/Brown perish. Okay...crazy off the wall thought...but I'm not too sure it will be Warren as Bernie's VP. Maybe if she endorses him soon and the populous goes wild improving Bernie's status in the polls. If she doesn't support Bernie before Super Tuesday I do not see Bernie picking her as VP. If she does support Bernie before Super Tuesday I'd say it's a near lock she is the VP.
Not to be morbid, but does his age not change that dynamic a bit? If he picks some milquetoast, moderate white dude Democrat (not that that's what you're necessarily advocating) I think that might turn off his progressive base a bit. Not that it would necessarily dissuade people from voting for him. It would leave a bad taste in a lot of mouths if something happened to him and we ended up with an establishment Democrat in his place.
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That's why Sherrod Brown is a maybe-alternative. He's very Sanders-like while simultaneously being more establishment. I don't think Tim Kaine is too milquetoast, though - he was Obama's second choice for if Biden refused, he's not an innate Clintonite or anything.
her current position ends in 2019 and she has been pretty explicit about liking where she is at the moment.
MoveOn.org used to back her, who are now under Bernie, so it makes sense why her name is brought up.
because we already audit the federal reserve. it is mainly rhetoric.
https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/aboutthefed/annual/annual14/report.pdf for example
Bernie! Save us from the right-wing bullshit factory of fear politics and perpetual war. He'll be smeared and misrepresented like you've never seen if he gets at all close to winning the nomination. A few mega rich folk who really don't want him to win own all of TV and print media.
Maybe he'll survive that and bring reason and democracy back.
Maybe he'll survive that and bring reason and democracy back.
The dream lives
fuuuuuccccccccccckkkkk this would be dream team level godtier pres/vice
While Sanders/Warren is like a wet dream, that ticket would be too liberal. Plus, she's needed in the Senate and when/if Sanders just does one term, she would be primed and ready for a run.
I don't follow Democratic Senators/Governors that much so I have no clue who would be the number one choice. Only name I know of is Jaun Castro.
I don't follow Democratic Senators/Governors that much so I have no clue who would be the number one choice. Only name I know of is Jaun Castro.
But gaf told me Hillary was the chosen one......
Nah, the GAF Warlock is picking the god-King Trump as the chosen one.
nonsense, Cruz would never bomb his ancestral home
if Trump/Bernie end up being the candidates then GAF was completely wrong about this election. Right now, it's only 50% wrong (Jeb jeb jeb)
Karsticles
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Sanders is 74.
Septimus Prime
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Honestly, if Bernie is close to Clinton in the primary, I think he'll lose because the super delegates will vote establishment. He really needs a Trump-sized lead to make it happen.
that's not actually scheduled to happen, is it?
Tesseract
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yep, they're working out details
people don't understand how big rogan is, it's gonna be awesome
there's no way that happens without a war
establishment politics / media is crumbling
theignoramus
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Even if a Sanders presidency cant push through any meaningful reform, a president espousing his kind of economic ideals goes some way to making that kind of discussion (wealth redistribution) at least permissible in mainstream US politics and it would resonate in election cycles a decade from now, should the economic status quo continue in the short term. (as it will)
Remember, during the Bill Clinton years "dont ask dont tell" was considered a major concession and marijuana was still a "gateway" drug to crack and heroin. Opinions change. At a maddeningly slow pace, but they change. The US political system, as it is right now, is unsustainable in 2030. There has to be serious efforts made to improve the status of America's middle class.
Remember, during the Bill Clinton years "dont ask dont tell" was considered a major concession and marijuana was still a "gateway" drug to crack and heroin. Opinions change. At a maddeningly slow pace, but they change. The US political system, as it is right now, is unsustainable in 2030. There has to be serious efforts made to improve the status of America's middle class.
Doing this cosmos' work done right, friend.
Hardly. In the unlikely case that he wins, Clinton would help him absolutely clean house.
Elfforkusu
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Here's one fact no motherfucker can argue against: wealth redistribution must happen, or social collapse is in order.
There is no ifs, buts, or interpretations around it. The road and trajectory is crystal clear. We need more than even what Bernie is outright proposing, and if that alarms people, they're going to be set the world aflame at what else needs to be done in addition to his ideals.
I'm pretty sure a huge number of republicans wouldn't give a shit.
True, and this is why we can only hope enough champion reason, humanism, altruism, and compassion. Win in numbers.
These may be very anti-American positions, but these will either be 21st century norms, or the human race can be classified as a successful failure.
Tesseract
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yup, the race to automation is on
I often argue here that automation will be the catalyst to this. Even in Obama's speech earlier today, he cited the trends. He didn't specify, of course, but he did acknowledge we're finally at that point where technology can give us heaven, or give us hell. And our ideas put onto the world will decide which.
Will we create a society that allows humanity to flow with technology, or will we make more assertions onto the world that make more sores that don't normally exist?
Interfectum
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TBH, America is fucked. But perhaps the rest of the world can learn from our mistakes.
Bootstraps, guns and god will be our downfall.
Epsilon-delta
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They will give a shit when millions of Americans lose their jobs due to driverless cars being mainstream.
That's how violent social unrest occurs.
Tesseract
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europe is fucked, america is kinda booming
Bam Bam Baklava
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So what margin does Sanders have to lose by for you not to riot over super delegates supporting who they want to support? 5%? 10%?
You do realize Clinton actually won the popular vote tally against Obama by a very small margin but lost on delegates right?
oh my god i am fucking IN
ive been listening to joe for a couple years now. kinda fallen off recently but i'll be back for the bernie episode if it happens. HYPE
this needs to happen ASAP
JOE ROGAN CAN PUSH BERNIE OVER THE TOP
I think the illusions of separation and division are our downfall, for nearly every grave human act in history has happened from that lens. These have to be broken, but no social effort will accomplish this.
All of us being in this together is not merely a statement, but a matter of fact about what there is. The sooner we taste this realness, the quicker we can move forward getting our symbols, ideas, and social concepts more compatible with the objective world.
Dixon's Jet
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/politics/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-income-inequality/
I wouldn't have been surprised if Biden said "I endorse Bernie Sanders" at the end of those comments.
I wouldn't have been surprised if Biden said "I endorse Bernie Sanders" at the end of those comments.
The dream lives
This would be cool, but Warren is too left and too white for the campaign. Sanders' running mate announcement would likely surprise all of us.
Yea and he's going to have an issue because of it if he wins the nomination, especially if he's up against someone young. It doesn't help that he looks old and disheveled either.
Tesseract
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he'll joke it off and that's that
Gnome Scat
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Good for him.
OuterLimits
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General election matchup polls don't mean much this far out. Some polls showed Herman Cain beating Obama. Just a couple months ago some polls showed Ben Carson easily beating Hillary and Sanders. Does anyone actually think Carson would really destroy the Democrat candidate?
Certainly the Democrat should have an advantage in the general. However, it certainly isn't a lock like some seem to think. Even against Trump. Actually I think Cruz would struggle the most. He only appeals really to evangelicals and extremely conservative voters. Trump would probably struggle as well, but might grab more middle of the road independents than Cruz. Trump has more of a populist message on some issues.
Hillary may have more baggage but Sanders hasn't really come under attack yet much from the right. They will probably love attacking him on his Soviet Union honeymoon and he wants to tax you to death rhetoric.
As someone who usually votes Republican, I think Hillary would be much harder to defeat in the general. Although strangely I think Sanders could possibly get along better with a Republican Congress and be more open to making deals, despite being to the left of Hillary on many issues.
Certainly the Democrat should have an advantage in the general. However, it certainly isn't a lock like some seem to think. Even against Trump. Actually I think Cruz would struggle the most. He only appeals really to evangelicals and extremely conservative voters. Trump would probably struggle as well, but might grab more middle of the road independents than Cruz. Trump has more of a populist message on some issues.
Hillary may have more baggage but Sanders hasn't really come under attack yet much from the right. They will probably love attacking him on his Soviet Union honeymoon and he wants to tax you to death rhetoric.
As someone who usually votes Republican, I think Hillary would be much harder to defeat in the general. Although strangely I think Sanders could possibly get along better with a Republican Congress and be more open to making deals, despite being to the left of Hillary on many issues.
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Let's go Bernie!!!
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