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[Byakuya769]

Nothing was justified whatsoever? Might want to study up on your rights. She didn't know hers during the stop.

I love all the conspiracy theories people posted in here as well. Can't even fathom that she actually committed suicide.

Took you long enough.

 

[AlimNassor]

This was murder. How can anyone not see it as murder? They obviously doctored it, and then during the "gaps" probably forced her to kill herself. Until it is 100% confirmed it isn't, i will believe it as murder.

 

[The Llama]

Apparently Texas are looking into whether the video was edited at all before being released.

 

[Chococat]

Going to watch the video later today, but I had a thought.

Is it possible the "edited" part of the video are not trying to remove interaction between Sandra and the police, but instead are removing in car conversation of the police/dispatch?

 

[The Llama]

Apparently Texas are looking into whether the video was edited at all before being released.

And now they've said that it wasn't edited.

But the video of the traffic stop was not edited, according to Texas Department of Public Safety public information officer Tom Vinger. "There was a technical issue during posting later in the video, and we are working to correct," Vinger said Wednesday.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/22/us/texas-sandra-bland-arrest/index.html

 

[Velcro Fly]

This was murder. How can anyone not see it as murder? They obviously doctored it, and then during the "gaps" probably forced her to kill herself. Until it is 100% confirmed it isn't, i will believe it as murder.

This is really farfetched, even for the current state of affairs in America.

It makes pretty much zero sense to turn over the video, cooperate with the investigation, and get the Texas Rangers and FBI come in to investigate. The sheer number of people that would need to be in on a coverup this thing would have been blown to bits already.

 

[jmdajr]

so the cops killed her ? whats being implied here ?

What's the motive?

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

This was murder. How can anyone not see it as murder? They obviously doctored it, and then during the "gaps" probably forced her to kill herself. Until it is 100% confirmed it isn't, i will believe it as murder.

She was in jail for three days trying to collect bail, the "edited" video is from the actual traffic stop. I don't think anything actually happened that isn't shown in the traffic stop video, that does just look like glitches and the audio is apparently uninterrupted. If the jail camera turns out to be edited that's another story.

This definitely needs to be fully investigated and I do think something untoward could have happened here, but there isn't enough information yet for me to really lean in one direction or the other.

 

[jmdajr]

She was in jail for three days trying to collect bail, the "edited" video is from the actual traffic stop. I don't think anything actually happened that isn't shown in the traffic stop video, that does just look like glitches and the audio is apparently uninterrupted. If the jail camera turns out to be edited that's another story.

This definitely needs to be fully investigated and I do think something untoward could have happened here, but there isn't enough information yet for me to really lean in one direction or the other.

Could it be murder due to negligence? Or do people think she was literally murdered by hand?

Guess I need to read more.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Could it be murder due to negligence? Or do people think she was literally murdered by hand?

Guess I need to read more.

I'm going WAY out on a limb here and not saying there's any evidence yet--but she could have been accidentally killed or died from some sort of negligence in her cell and a guard(s) freaked and framed it as a hanging after the fact.

But again as far as I've heard the jail video doesn't show anything.

 

[MHWilliams]

They've released a second version of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaW09Ymr2BA

 

[Red Mage]

Since I don't know much about depression, being fired alone could be a trigger to a suicide on this person? Because shit happens to people everyday while they struggle to move forward. The situation clearly escalated there and the officer could have prevented it. But those two events (arrest and death) have no significant correlation to the officer himself.

It's like an employer firing someone, and getting the blame because the person commited suicide, right? I mean, he would be considered the trigger that put that person into that situation. The firing itself could be unreasonable just because one day you have a bad mood and happen to vent at the wrong time. And then you get fired, have a mortgage that you barely can pay, have depression... wouldn't that be quite the reason to take a definitve measure? Would you place the blame on the unreasonable boss because he fired that person?

I've seen situations where people are driven to suicide due to many factors making it impossible to look forward anything at all. But this, to me, isn't one of those cases where they put her into a situation that was unfixable and thus pushed her to commit suicide. In fact, we're being told she landed a dream job.

That really doesn't matter if she had depression. As someone who suffered from it for 14 years, getting a new job may make you temporarily happy, but if she had a lot of fines and other crap like a previous post stated, that wouldn't necessarily keep her offing herself. Your mind is irrational with depression, and you can have a crap load of things going for you, but still kill yourself over being a failure. Does no one remember Robin Williams?

I'm not saying she did kill herself, but the people going "Oh, I can tell from looking at that video that she wouldn't kill herself" obviously don't know anything about depression if they think they can tell it from a single video.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

They've released a second version of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaW09Ymr2BA

Well that escalated...

No wonder she got arrested.

 

[SliceSabre]

I have no doubt the cops probably decided to teach her a lesson for disrespecting their authority and just like the guy in Baltimore, went too far and now have to pull a cover-up to save their asses.

Can't trust the police, not a damn single one of them. Corrupt and evil the lot of them.

 

[bender]

How incredibly sad.

I'm not saying she did kill herself, but the people going "Oh, I can tell from looking at that video that she wouldn't kill herself" obviously don't know anything about depression if they think they can tell it from a single video.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[PopeReal]

Well that escalated...


No wonder she got arrested.

He arrested her for not putting out her cigarrette. Not against the law but hey they can just make shit up as they go.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

Apparently she had a previous suicide attempt, within the last year due to the death of a fetus.

http://www.chron.com/houston/article/Sandra-Bland-dash-cam-video-appears-to-have-been-6399017.php

The chron is just updating a story with that info hence the link wording.

 

[USC-fan]

Feel sorry for this family.

He arrested her for not putting out her cigarrette. Not against the law but hey they can just make shit up as they go.

Yep, the cop went on a power trip. Went from a warning to jail over her giving him an attitude. Whole thing should have never happen.

 

[Velcro Fly]

is the new video the same as the old video but without the video glitches?

 

[captive]

I have no idea who Ben Norton is tbh but I watched the video where he pointed out the inconsistencies and it's very clear that something is going on.

Edit: And to clarify, I have no idea if this was actually malicious editing, or just the result of some weird computer error, or what, but the video does some funky things.

there is literally no way the vide showing the guy from the wrecker truck get out of his truck, walk towards the police car past Bland's car, twice, is an "encoding error" also where are the time stamps? Every police video I've ever seen has time stamps.

 

[Machine]

there is literally no way the vide showing the guy from the wrecker truck get out of his truck, walk towards the police car past Bland's car, twice, is an "encoding error" also where are the time stamps? Every police video I've ever seen has time stamps.

...and time codes are very difficult to fake

 

[Byakuya769]

The cop approached the situation like a shitty parent.

I continually see this kind of behavior:

"OH YEAH! YOU'RE NOT LISTENING! LET ME ACT IRRATIONAL AND OUTSIDE THE LAW!"

 

[minx]

This was murder. How can anyone not see it as murder? They obviously doctored it, and then during the "gaps" probably forced her to kill herself. Until it is 100% confirmed it isn't, i will believe it as murder.

Apparently she had a previous suicide attempt, within the last year due to the death of a fetus.

http://www.chron.com/houston/article/Sandra-Bland-dash-cam-video-appears-to-have-been-6399017.php

The chron is just updating a story with that info hence the link wording.

How can anyone not see it as murder?!
obviously doctored

Some people simply can't look at these situations rationally and without bias.

 

[Badgerst3]

Bail was only $500 and she was given repeated chances to call family. (Reportedly).

How guilty must they feel? No expert but if she indeed had a prior suicide attempt- wondering if she felt overwhelmed and felt no other way out.

Sad all around.

 

[Soroc]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na...-jail-hanging-case-20150720-story.html#page=1

They released the footage. tl;dr no one entered the cell for about 1.5 hours before the body was discovered. So it looks like unless you want believe the footage is edited (camera is motion-activated, 9 min of footage spanning several hours), she probably hung herself.

edit:

If the camera is motion activated and an IP camera its very easy to administer IP cameras and disable motion detection temporarily. A lot of these network security cameras don't even have audit logs for software config changes.

I'm not claiming a conspiracy here just that I used to work for a network security camera company previously and its really easy to disable recording features like motion detection if you have login access to the cameras directly.

Edit: How the hell does someone hang themselves in a jail cell? I'm guessing bed sheet? But there shouldn't be anything in the cell to actually "hang" from right?

 

[DarthWoo]

If the camera is motion activated and an IP camera its very easy to administer IP cameras and disable motion detection temporarily. A lot of these network security cameras don't even have audit logs for software config changes.

I'm not claiming a conspiracy here just that I used to work for a network security camera company previously and its really easy to disable recording features like motion detection if you have login access to the cameras directly.

Edit: How the hell does someone hang themselves in a jail cell? I'm guessing bed sheet? But there shouldn't be anything in the cell to actually "hang" from right?

Allegedly with a trash bag, and from what they showed on the news, there were plenty of attachment points in that cell.

 

[Opto]

Texas cops on a streak of beating up black women for annoying them.

 

[Soroc]

Allegedly with a trash bag, and from what they showed on the news, there were plenty of attachment points in that cell.

Wow! Can't believe these cells have attachment points, you would think they would design them for their own safety.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

After watching the video where the cop pulled her over, I don't believe for a second she killed herself. She's not at all the type. She wasn't belligerent or crazy, she was just very annoyed with this shithead cop as she had every right to be.

This makes zero sense. Especially considering we now have reports she did attempt to commit suicide in the past. It's possible the document was faked and all but I don't see how anyone can see someone on tape for a few minutes and know their mental health status. She could have been depressed or not but her behavior in the video is not proof of either.

 

[see5harp]

I don't know how someone couldn't help bail her out if it was only $500. Sitting in a damn jail cell for a few days could not have helped her mental state.

 

[wildfire]

there are cameras there and they show that no one went in or out of her cell until the person who found her dead apparently.

Then I have to eat crow. That said why the fuck does a jail have something around that could used to hang yourself with. Most jailers have the sense to avoid this but these guys allowed a trashbag to be within reach. Dumb.

 

[Idba]

Cop: Get out of the car!

The female: Why? Am I arrested?

Cop: Yes you are. Get out of the car

The female: Arrested for what?

Cop: Get out of the car!

The female: Arrested for what?

Cop: Get out of the car or else I'll light you!

*She gets out of the car*

Cop:Im gonna drag your ass to jail

The female: For what?


Bonus: Cop afterwards

She was escalating, it wasnt going anywhere. I put the taster down and I tried talking to her, calm her down, but it was not working. Like, she never swung at me, but she was flailing, stomping around. Thats when I said alright thats enough and detained her

 

[CrocMother]

Then I have to eat crow. That said why the fuck does a jail have something around that could used to hang yourself with. Most jailers have the sense to avoid this but these guys allowed a trashbag to be within reach. Dumb.

It's not like she couldn't have hung herself with some ripped clothing if she wanted to. The presence of a trashbag doesn't really change anything.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

It'd be pretty easy to for an independent autopsy to pick up signs of a murder. So easy that there would be no point in trying to hide it.

She probably committed suicide. The police officer didn't handle the situation well, but he isn't culpable for her death.

 

[Retrocide]

When I was in basic training we had a guy snap, so they put him on a suicide watch. Basically someone watched him 24 hours a day, even when he was sleep. Why, if she told a jailer that she had previously tried to commit suicide, wasn't she put on a suicide watch?

 

[Starviper]

I think this one is on the officer for escalating the situation. She could have handled it better of course, but so could the officer. If he's the one in charge why make such a big fucking scene?

 

[Emperor_Uriel]

On the one hand, I don't believe that the officer is at fault for her death.

On the other hand, if I'm a cop and a black person that I've pulled over is refusing to put out a cigarette, I'm just going to let them keep smoking. Pick your battles, especially in light of recent events.

 

[see5harp]

On the one hand, I don't believe that the officer is at fault for her death.

On the other hand, if I'm a cop and a black person that I've pulled over is refusing to put out a cigarette, I'm just going to let them keep smoking. Pick your battles, especially in light of recent events.

Yea I think that's fair. It's on the officer because you gotta let shit just roll sometimes, especially when the circumstances were so weak. If I'm honest though I've been told to put out a cigarette.

 

[SuperAndroid17]

It's not the officer's fault.

This one falls on the jail. They failed to secure her in a padded cell, strip her of her clothing and give her a suicide smock/blanket while maintaining a 15minute Observation protocol. They really let the ball drop on this one, a previous suicide attempt and nothing was done about it.

 

[norm9]

I've been pulled over and the officer has asked me to put out my cigarette. When I dropped it out the window because i didnt have any empty bottles in the car, he asked me why I was littering.

 

[Future PhaZe]

demeaning interactions with law enforcement are some of the worst things you can go through in life period--not shocked this pushed her into a tailspin if she had a history

 

[K.Jack]

All of this "She wasn't the type to kill herself" shit is so stupid.

Seriously, shut the fuck up.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

It'd be pretty easy to for an independent autopsy to pick up signs of a murder. So easy that there would be no point in trying to hide it.

She probably committed suicide. The police officer didn't handle the situation well, but he isn't culpable for her death.

The circumstances he unnecessarily put her in certainly didn't help.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

He arrested her for not putting out her cigarrette. Not against the law but hey they can just make shit up as they go.

She was arrested for "noncompliance" I didn't say I agreed with it. The cop did a shit job.

 

[Zoe]

I've been pulled over and the officer has asked me to put out my cigarette. When I dropped it out the window because i didnt have any empty bottles in the car, he asked me why I was littering.

So what was going to be your plan once you finished smoking while driving?

 

[Oogedei]

That's just inhumane how they arrested her. I wonder if the USA will ever overcome this racism issues.

 

[Merc_]

How can anyone not see it as murder?!
obviously doctored

Some people simply can't look at these situations rationally and without bias.

Aren't you a cop?

 

[minx]

Aren't you a cop?

10-4. However I am capable of looking at things rationally unlike some in here. I release that officers make mistakes but other posters in here can't even fathom that she actually committed suicide and that police didn't murder her. To them it's always fuck the cop he is wrong 100% of the time.

 

[NervousXtian]

Looking more and more like this was a suicide.

Sad.

 

[YoungHav]

Suicide or not, arresting officer is still a punk coward.