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[Curiocity]

She can obviously do better. Hopefully she gets a chance to. And the Afghan girl is still beautiful.

 

[Yrael]

Thread is a graveyard.

Btw, everyone including childish racists and misogynists and a couple of just ill-thought-out jokesters, should read the Afghan girl's story, in Nat Geos follow-up a few years ago and you'll have more empathy for her expression.

And she is precisely as hauntingly beautiful "old" as she was young.

Agreed. Quite an amazing and hard life - she's been through a lot.

 

[Khaos_Knight]

Women in porn are very different from women in real life.

I wonder if the same thing happens to some men in modern times.

What about amateur and cam/voyeur porn?

 

[Monocle]

That article makes a very interesting point about there perhaps being some risk of disappointment when a man commits to marriage before seeing his bride's face. In my opinion there might be something to that.

Yes? No? What do you think you guys? Is it a good idea to meet your partner before getting married or engaged? Why or why not?

 

[IISANDERII]

A woman has the same right to reject a man as he has before marriage in Islamic marriages. She has complete agency in getting married. An Islamic judge who oversees weddings would not allow any marriage where either sides were not satisfied. In this case, the husband found out AFTER the marriage that she didn't have the face he was expecting. He is still a tactless idiot, but she wasn't some sheep being led to the slaughter by an imposing father.

Also, viewing the face before marriage is not only allowed, but promoted in Islamic jurisprudence, even the Salafi version in Saudi Arabia.

There's not a single Islamic school of thought that prevents a potential suitor from looking at the bride's face before marriage. There are authentic Islamic narrations that encourage potential suitors to see the face. Even those schools that emphasize wearing the face veil concede this point.

It is certainly the groom's fault for entering into the marriage without seeing her face. What an idiot. Good luck finding someone else to marry you.

Thanks for the education. So what's your guess, why did they not see each other before the wedding?

 

[BlazS01]

That article makes a very interesting point about there perhaps being some risk of disappointment when a man commits to marriage before seeing his bride's face. In my opinion there might be something to that.

Yes? No? What do you think you guys? Is it a good idea to meet your partner before getting married or engaged? Why or why not?

Is this a serious question?

Getting engaged without knowing each other is fudging stupid. Any "tradition" that pushes this arranged marriages are just too archaic, for me at least. I personally can't stand the insane level of machismo that still exist in arabic cultures and such, is so sad and stupid.

In this particular case, well it's terrible for the bride but I guess this could happen regularly in those type of cultures, and well It's better for her to not live with a guy like that anyway, he would just cheat the hell out of her If he doesn't feel anything for her.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Pretty funny story. On the flipside I remember the story of a woman who divorced her husband of 20/30 years because he forcibly removed her burqa because he was frustrated of never seeing her face their entire marriage.

Thanks for the education. So what's your guess, why did they not see each other before the wedding?

A lot of Saudi citizens are very conservative and haven't gotten used to non-traditional methods yet. I mean, people living in tents outside the cities is still not that uncommon a sight.

 

[Dali]

Pretty funny story. On the flipside I remember the story of a woman who divorced her husband of 20/30 years because he forcibly removed her burqa because he was frustrated of never seeing her face their entire marriage.



A lot of Saudi citizens are very conservative and haven't gotten used to non-traditional methods yet. I mean, people living in tents outside the cities is still not that uncommon a sight.

So they had sex with a face covering on?

 

[NEO0MJ]

So they had sex with a face covering on?

Apparently :/
According to what I read they had kids.

 

[Dark_Rainbow]

The article is nonsense.

I am Saudi, and I agree that this used to happen with Badu (desert residents, and some tribes that are driven from Badu). However, the ruling of Islam is clear about this situation, it is the man right to see his wife before getting married. Without this condition the man can reject the whole thing. once they declare that they are getting married and get all the paper work done then they can go out and do what they want except of making love till they make the big Ceremony the invite everyone out

So you have to differentiate btwn the ruling of Islam and the acting of small number of people.

 

[Log4Girlz]

That article makes a very interesting point about there perhaps being some risk of disappointment when a man commits to marriage before seeing his bride's face. In my opinion there might be something to that.

Yes? No? What do you think you guys? Is it a good idea to meet your partner before getting married or engaged? Why or why not?

I think people should get married and never see their partners.

 

[Dark_Rainbow]

Pretty funny story. On the flipside I remember the story of a woman who divorced her husband of 20/30 years because he forcibly removed her burqa because he was frustrated of never seeing her face their entire marriage.



A lot of Saudi citizens are very conservative and haven't gotten used to non-traditional methods yet. I mean, people living in tents outside the cities is still not that uncommon a sight.

What you are saying is extremely nonsense. It is true that this story happens, we do have blacksheep in our community who doesn't understand the ruling of Islam and follow their own traditions, who doesn't?
Also, The number you are talking about is like 0.000001 of the population of Saudi Arabia. Tents and this sort of thing have vanished long time back. Get your facts straight my friend.

 

[Chuckie]

So I clicked the link in that blog and arrived at the daily mail.... which had an even more 'interesting' story:

A Saudi husband has divorced his wife after she failed to reply to a WhatsApp text message.

The man, who got married two years ago, sent the message from his office and waited for a response from his wife. But none came.

Thinking something must be wrong, reported Emirates 24/7, he rushed home to find her watching television.

When he asked her why she did not respond, she said she was busy chatting with friends on WhatsApp and wanted to reply later. He divorced her instantly, the report added.

'I sent her messages on Whatsapp and knew she had read them because of the latest update on the application but still she didn't answer me or acknowledged my messages,' he was quoted as saying by the Gulf News.

The husband, in his 30s, said he was frustrated by his wife's seemingly endless interest in using her phone for chatting with friends and family.

The first victim of the blue vv

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Agreed. Quite an amazing and hard life - she's been through a lot.

She's certainly a strong woman.

 

[sadceph2001]

Wouldn't surprise me if it's fake. A lot of bogus stories come out of Saudi Arabia.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[sephiroth7x]

Well... sometimes the gamble pays off... and sometimes...

 

[Dark_Rainbow]

So I clicked the link in that blog and arrived at the daily mail.... which had an even more 'interesting' story:



The first victim of the blue vv

So dramatic

 

[SteveWinwood]

The article is nonsense.

I am Saudi, and I agree that this used to happen with Badu (desert residents, and some tribes that are driven from Badu). However, the ruling of Islam is clear about this situation, it is the man right to see his wife before getting married. Without this condition the man can reject the whole thing. once they declare that they are getting married and get all the paper work done then they can go out and do what they want except of making love till they make the big Ceremony the invite everyone out

So you have to differentiate btwn the ruling of Islam and the acting of small number of people.

What you are saying is extremely nonsense. It is true that this story happens, we do have blacksheep in our community who doesn't understand the ruling of Islam and follow their own traditions, who doesn't?
Also, The number you are talking about is like 0.000001 of the population of Saudi Arabia. Tents and this sort of thing have vanished long time back. Get your facts straight my friend.

i dont think you understand the word nonsense

you dont say something is nonsense then immediately concede that it can or does happen

 

[Chuckie]

So dramatic

It truely is haha.

 

[jorma]

i dont think you understand the word nonsense

you dont say something is nonsense then immediately concede that it can or does happen

i think the nonsense was in reference to the part where "a lot of Saudis do this".

 

[Cymbal Head]

"Honey, I know we've been going through a lot lately. I don't think the counseling is helping. To me, it feels like we're coming to the end of the road. I don't know what else to say.

"I am sorry, but I divorce you."

 

[Despera]

i dont think you understand the word nonsense

you dont say something is nonsense then immediately concede that it can or does happen

This happens very rarely, and is generally frowned upon. It shouldn't be associated with the culture as a whole or the Islamic religion.

That last sentence in the article is simply a case of gross generalization. So yeah, it is nonsense.

 

[zeemumu]

 

[LiK]

So he never saw her face beforehand? So weird.

 

[djplaeskool]

Ice Cold.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Probably an Afghan Girl then and now situation

Wasn't she like 12 years old in teh picture to the left?
We tend to look wildly different as adults.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Hilarious but what a dick.

 

[Pagusas]

Hilarious but what a dick.

god i love that movie.

 

[SapientWolf]

Wasn't she like 12 years old in teh picture to the left?
We tend to look wildly different as adults.

The photo was (slightly) touched up, and even then, she looked older than her age. Afghanistan is hard living.

You shouldn't even be allowed to arrange a marriage without meeting and seeing each other. What a ridiculous concept.

 

[Kyzon]

I cannot sanction his buffoonery.

Spoiler

He's too rude for words

 

[Major Williams]

Wasn't she like 12 years old in teh picture to the left?
We tend to look wildly different as adults.

Yeah, she is between 28-30 in the right pic though....

 

[Dark_Rainbow]

i dont think you understand the word nonsense

you dont say something is nonsense then immediately concede that it can or does happen

I do understand the word nonsense Mr. Winewood.

It is nonsense in a way that the topic made it appear that we are so barbaric and are still living in the Stone Age, even such rare and strange stuff happens in the mighty America. I do not mind my country get criticized, we are not angles after all. But the downside in this discussion is that the majority of the so-called facts presented by the media are nonsense as they will present you what they want you to see.

 

[PirateKing]

god i love that movie.

Movie name?

 

[Nezumi]

Movie name?

The emperor's new groove.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Image on left is so iconic, amazing what a few years will do. Lighting in the second one isn't doing her any favors though.

The image on the right was taken decades after. What am I not getting by the reactions? Yes, her face tells a harsh story. But I think some have been led to believe that's what she actually looked on the day of the wedding.

People. The photo is not of the woman in the story

 

[SilentxS3ud]

The claims people make about Saudis in this thread are just... Wow.

 

[PirateKing]

Its a sad story.

Went through all of it. Pretty sad. Thanks for the link

The emperor's new groove.

Thank you