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Sci-Fi reading? I'm looking for something dramatic. Space opera get.

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I’d like something highly technological, perhaps a space opera that feels really enlightening. Maybe Alvin the Maker will do that for me, or perhaps you can suggest something you really like. I’ve read just about everything in the Ender’s Game series, and then I find that there’s more. I’m really in the mood for a new universe and new aliens to explore.
 
Berserker - Fred Saberhagen.

Space opera, light and fluffy, you can tell Lucas read it before putting pen to paper for SW.

Dune - Frank Herbert

a classic.
 

Zaptruder

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A better question yet, are there any space operas that feature large robots? excluding japanese stuff and board game origin stuff.
 

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Foundation- Issac Asimov

Ringworld - Larry Niven

Pride of Chanur - C.J. Cherryh

Cordelia's Honor - Lois McMaster Bujold
 

Brimstone

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Zaptruder said:
A better question yet, are there any space operas that feature large robots? excluding japanese stuff and board game origin stuff.

Maybe

The Forge of God - Greg Bear

is what your looking for?
 

Silkworm

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I don't know if this would fit the bill, but I'll throw out my suggestion of Stephen R. Donaldson's "The Gap into Conflict" series. It's focus is more on the characters than the sci-fi setting IMHO but it's definately a dramatic series (again IMHO). And of course you can't go wrong with Isaac Asimov's "Foundation" and/or "Robot" series. :)
 

FnordChan

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iapetus said:
The Algebraist - Iain M Banks

I'm currently 2/3 of the way through Consider Phlebas, and if Banks' other novels are anything like it then, yep, that's one helluva SF recommendation. Meanwhile, this is obviously tentative but, yeah, consider Consider Phlebas crucial space opera reading: sprawling adventure, dirty (if not entirely ruthless) espionage, deadly gambling, intriguing aliens, some of the best spaceship names ever (I'm particularly fond of the GSV Eschatologist), and the mysterious Planets of the Dead. All this and The Culture, too! And, if you dig Consider Phlebas, there are several other stand alone books in the same setting; I'm told Use of Weapons is particularly good and have it waiting patiently in my to-read pile.

I'll also second Brimstone's recommendation of Lois McMaster Bujold, whose Vorkosigan series is some of the best damn space opera available, period. Cordelia's Honor, a compilation of the first two Vorkosigan books (Shards of Honor and Barrayar), kicks off the series with a bang: interstellar war, romance, and some particularly brutal culture clashes. However, the bulk of the series follows a generation later with mildly-crippled, brilliant overachiever Miles Vorkosigan getting into epic levels of trouble across the galaxy, ranging from your run-of-the-mill deep shit to seriously being put thorugh the wringer later in the series. If you're in the mood to jump ahead a bit, Young Miles collects the next two Vorkosigan novels (The Warrior's Apprentice and The Vor Game), as well as the Hugo Award winning novella "The Mountains of Mourning". While Cordelia's Honor comes first both chronologically and in publication order, the Vorkosigan novels stand alone well enough that you can start with either one (or, with a few exceptions, wherever you like in the series). Just don't judge Young Miles by the god-awful cover art on the current paperback edition. Woof. Rolicking (and sometimes intense) military SF with wonderful characterization and a flair for romance - Bujold's novels are positively addictive and I just can't recommend 'em enough. Besides which, Young Miles has space pirates! Space pirates, for god's sake! How can you resist?

Finally, while I'm busy plugging the same old SF books I always plug, I have to pimp Vernor Vinge's A Fire Upon The Deep which is, in short, entirely fucking awesome. A Fire Upon The Deep kicks off Vinge's loose Zones of Thought sequence, wherin the galaxy is divided into sections where the laws of physics change depending on location - in the Unthinking Depths of the galactic core virtually nothing happens at all, while the level of technology capabe increases as you move outward through the Slow Zone (sub-FTL), The Beyond (FTL), all the way through to The Transcend (fuck knows); the later ties in with Vinge's interest in the technological singularity, the point where technological progress extends beyond the bounds of human comprehension. In Fire, someone tinkering at the edge of the Transcend let loose an entity known as The Blight which proceeds to lay waste to everything in it's path, leaving our heroes frantically following after survivors into the Slow Zone, trying to obtain the key to defeating The Blight. The plot doesn't sound terribly exciting when spelled out like that, I realize, but in practice it's phenomenal - vastly stylish, dripping ideas, wonderful characters, and some of the coolest alien races I've ever read about in SF. All this and the Galactic Usenet, or at least it's far future equivalent. Raymond, if you're in the mood for a new universe and new aliens to explore, this, my friend, is the book for you. Vinge followed it up with a prequel (and, boy do I mean prequel - we're talking 30,000 years previous to the events of Fire), A Deepness In The Sky, a cleverly structured excercise in perception with another wonderful alien race and positively chilling bad guys; while not as epic in scope as Fire I'd say Deepness is even better, and that's saying something. Both novels get my highest possible recommendation (for what it's worth).

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golem

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bujold rules... i hope there are more Vorkosigan books coming

i do need to check out the culture books sometime
 

FnordChan

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golem said:
bujold rules... i hope there are more Vorkosigan books coming

I was curious about that myself. Unfortunatly, here's the last thing Bujold had to say on the subject:

"I do not know when or if I will write another Vorkosigan story. I do not rule it out, but I don't have a new novel in mind at this time. Nor a short story notion either. I won't decide on the next project till I'm done with the new fantasy, probably toward the end of this summer or early fall, depending."

I have yet to read Bujold's recent fantasy novels but I'm told they're great, so even if she doesn't return to the Vorkosigan universe at least we have those to enjoy. On the flip side, at a (fairly) recent convention the idea of an Ivan book was mentioned and the audience went apeshit, so perhaps she'll relent and go back to the setting eventually. Either way, 14 novels and a couple of novellas makes for a decent run, so if "Winterfair Gifts" is the last we see of Miles I'll still be content.

i do need to check out the culture books sometime

Consider Phlebas is terrific so far. I've got the next two books in the series lined up and ready to go, so expect to see me ranting about them in future SF threads.

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Spike

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Dan Simmons' stuff:
Hyperion
The Fall of Hyperion
Endymion
The Rise of Endymion
Illium
Olympos

Honor Harrington series by David Weber:

On Basilisk Station
The Honor of the Queen
The Short Victorious War
Field of Dishonor
Flag in Exile
Honor Among Enemies
In Enemy Hands
Echoes of Honor
Ashes of Victory
War of Honor
More Than Honor
Worlds of Honor
Changer of Worlds
The Service of the Sword
Crown of Slaves
The Shadow of Saganami
 

nitewulf

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shame on the rest of you for not recommending the revelation space trilogy by alastair reynolds.
with that said, if you are interested in epic space opera and hard technology, look no farther than the alastair reynolds trilogy, "revelation space", "redemption arc" and "absolution gap", w/ "chasm city" being a sidestory set in the same universe.
hard science, fast paced action similar to anime, great characters...just great stuff.
 

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FnordChan said:
I'm currently 2/3 of the way through Consider Phlebas, and if Banks' other novels are anything like it then, yep, that's one helluva SF recommendation. Meanwhile, this is obviously tentative but, yeah, consider Consider Phlebas crucial space opera reading: sprawling adventure, dirty (if not entirely ruthless) espionage, deadly gambling, intriguing aliens, some of the best spaceship names ever (I'm particularly fond of the GSV Eschatologist), and the mysterious Planets of the Dead. All this and The Culture, too! And, if you dig Consider Phlebas, there are several other stand alone books in the same setting; I'm told Use of Weapons is particularly good and have it waiting patiently in my to-read pile.


The Culture books are fantastic. It is a crime how little known they are. And occasionally hard to find (easier in the UK). I believe the next in the series is The Player of Games and it is worth reading.
 
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