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[Alpha Phoenix]

I haven't seen any direct comparisons, but this article says this:

In simple terms, the graphics core will be more than capable of going toe-to-toe with today's top-end graphics card; the brand-new Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 has 6.5TFLOPs of performance. By the time Scorpio launches, it will be the equivalent of a mid-range PC in 2017, which is how most consoles tend to launch.

More precisely, this puts it somewhere between the GTX 1060 and 1070. So more like a 1065.

Still, this probably doesn't say much given how little we know about the system.

 

[Fat4all]

which article?

edit: ah, there's the link

 

[GhostTrick]

More like RX 480.

 

[shandy706]

I expect it to be around my 980 Ti Classified (maybe just under).

1070 makes sense I suppose.

 

[killroy87]

I'm sure it will be powerful enough, I'm more curious to see how much devs utilize it when they know it will only serve a small subset of the audience. The PS3 was rarely utilized to its full potential, outside of first party games.

I dunno, I need to be sold on it. My Xbone literally collects dust as is, it only turns on to watch a 4K bluray.

 

[QuantumBro]

Ultimately depends on their final price point.

$400 for 1060
$600 for 1070

It'll probably be the mobile cards for those ones.

 

[Kilau]

Why not compare it to an AMD card?

 

[Outrun]

I summon Senjutsu Sage!

Bites my hand to initiate blood Summoning.

 

[Marmelade]

They're just comparing TFLOPS numbers...

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I'm excited to see what this thing can do, and I really hope Microsoft is going to treat it a bit more like a new console launch than Sony did with the PS4 Pro.

I think Sony was absolutely correct with how they are positioning the Pro, since they have a huge lead and it wouldn't make sense to hobble that, but I think Microsoft can afford to be more aggressive when it comes to doing a bit of a harder reset.

 

[Beautiful Ninja]

The article is comparing Nvidia TFLOPS to AMD TFOPS, so you can safely ignore the entire article as its based on false assumptions.

At the very least you'll want to compare AMD TFLOPS to AMD TFLOPS and the closet thing we have to the expected Scorpio GPU is the RX 480, which is a solid tier below the GTX 1070 in performance. Even that comparison isn't very good as the RX 480 is Polaris based and the Scorpio will likely have a Vega based GPU, so they aren't even on the same architecture.

 

[LowSignal]

More like RX 480.

Isnt the ps4 pro already 480? That wouldnt make sense to wait and be the same power.

 

[Alpha Phoenix]

Why not compare it to an AMD card?

I'm not familiar with AMD, but I think I read the 480 is the closest comparison.

 

[marciocdb]

More like RX 480.

RX 480 is PS4 Pro (downclocked)
I'm expecting Scorpio to use Vega 11

 

[Archpath1]

More power!

 

[Inuhanyou]

They are misinterpreting AMD flops and Nvidia flops OP

 

[Marmelade]

I'm not familiar with AMD, but I think I read the 480 is the closest comparison.

And a RX480 (5.8 TF) is a good deal less powerful than a 1070 (6.5 TF)
Their comparison is pretty much meaningless

 

[j0hnnix]

Flops overload

 

[Hidden One]

I doubt it.

 

[franklyshankly]

RX 480 is PS4 Pro (downclocked)
I'm specting Scorpio to use Vega 11

I was under the impression the Pro was more like a downclocked 470.

The full RX 480 is around 5.8 Tflop iirc, so that would be a reasonable estimate for Scorpio.

 

[kostacurtas]

They are misinterpreting AMD flops and Nvidia flops OP

Exactly.

I think that if you want to compare Scorpio specs with a PC GPU the RX480 it is the best choice.

 

[Gestault]

Just in the general sense, the power makes sense (overkill, frankly), but the price doesn't. My desktop has a 1070, and even at PC High/Ultra settings, a lot of games breeeze at 4K. It sounds like the article is just comparing raw spec figures, without any insight into actual architecture.

 

[Sad Affleck]

No, the performance in terms of FLOPS will be closer to a slightly overclocked RX480.

 

[GhostTrick]

Isnt the ps4 pro already 480? That wouldnt make sense to wait and be the same power.

RX 480 is PS4 Pro (downclocked)
I'm specting Scorpio to use Vega 11

It is, but vastly downclocked. Like 30%.
RX 480 at 921mhz is 4.2Tflops. RX 480 at 1.3ghz is 6Tflops.

 

[Alpha Phoenix]

The article is comparing Nvidia TFLOPS to AMD TFOPS, so you can safely ignore the entire article as its based on false assumptions.

At the very least you'll want to compare AMD TFLOPS to AMD TFLOPS and the closet thing we have to the expected Scorpio GPU is the RX 480, which is a solid tier below the GTX 1070 in performance. Even that comparison isn't very good as the RX 480 is Polaris based and the Scorpio will likely have a Vega based GPU, so they aren't even on the same architecture.

Makes sense, thanks for the clarification.

I suppose the architecture is also a factor. Scorpio is unlikely to use Polaris at this point.

 

[RedSwirl]

There was one interview last year I think where Spencer directly compared Scorpio to a 980.

 

[therealbigrich]

I'm sure it will be powerful enough, I'm more curious to see how much devs utilize it when they know it will only serve a small subset of the audience. The PS3 was rarely utilized to its full potential, outside of first party games.

I dunno, I need to be sold on it. My Xbone literally collects dust as is, it only turns on to watch a 4K bluray.

I thought ps3 wasn't utilized because of the weird architecture

 

[franklyshankly]

There was one interview last year I think where Spencer directly compared Scorpio to a 980.

RX 480 is similar to a 980 isn't it? GTX 1060 is about on par with 980 and the RX 480 is back and forth with the 1060.

 

[HooYaH]

Nvidia TF != AMD TF

 

[LowSignal]

They have mentioned Nvidia cards in a few interviews and i think thats weird when AMD is their partner. I wouldnt bring up the big mac when we are going to have whoppers for dinner.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

I was under the impression the Pro was more like a downclocked 470.

The full RX 480 is around 5.8 Tflop iirc, so that would be a reasonable estimate for Scorpio.

Yeah the RX 470 is 4.9 Tflops, so the Pro is similar to a downclocked 470 (power wise) and with the RX 480 being 5.8 Tflop (close enough to Scorpio's 6 Tflops) that should be pretty much what Scorpio will offer.

It will just be down to what CPU they stick in it then.

 

[Kent]

Ultimately depends on their final price point.

$400 for 1060
$600 for 1070

It'll probably be the mobile cards for those ones.

With the GTX 10 series, the mobile versions are very, very close in performance to the desktop ones - to the point where they dropped the "mobile" label entirely. I don't know how AMD chipsets fare, but if it's on par with a mobile GTX 10 in performance, then it's going to be pretty powerful.

 

[iavi]

I was under the impression the Pro was more like a downclocked 470.

The full RX 480 is around 5.8 Tflop iirc, so that would be a reasonable estimate for Scorpio.

Yeah the Pro is more a downclocked 470 at 4.2. IDK why people keep saying RX480

 

[deadlast]

The power of a 400 dollar plus video card. I don't think so. I guess if you use code "to the metal" variables in your math, then I guess sure.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Ban the source!!!!!@!!

Hsssss

 

[digitalrelic]

But the GTX 1070 isn't "today’s top-end graphics card"...

 

[opricnik]

Ultimately depends on their final price point.

$400 for 1060
$600 for 1070

It'll probably be the mobile cards for those ones.

those cards dont have mobile versions. They are same versions but downclocked

 

[LelouchZero]

Isnt the ps4 pro already 480? That wouldnt make sense to wait and be the same power.

It's a custom GPU based off the RX 480 with lower clocks, 911MHz (4.2TF) for the PS4 Pro's GPU vs the RX 480's 1266MHz (5.83TF).

The Scorpio's GPU may be a custom GPU based off of Vega and could feature a higher number of cores at a lower clock-speed, such as 3328 cores and a clock-speed of 910MHz for 6.05TF as an examaple.

Their comparison doesn't really make any sense as we don't really know how Vega is going to perform and AMD's GFLOPs so far have not been comparable with NVIDIA's GFLOPs.

 

[Bronetta]

But the GTX 1070 isn't "today’s top-end graphics card"...

Isnt it top 3 though, isnt it? Bested by 1080 and Titan X I think.

 

[Instro]

Garbage article, but it's fair to say the GPU will fall somewhere between a 480 and 1070 depending on architecture. I'm inclined to say more towards the former than latter.

 

[Pif]

Aren't Nvidia flops beefier?

Like others are saying, comparing to AMD is better.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Probably not, bruh.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Isnt it top 3 though, isnt it? Bested by 1080 and Titan X I think.

Yeah it's up there, basically slightly better than the old Titan X card, at a fraction of the price, it's a great card.

 

[kostacurtas]

Yeah the Pro is more a downclocked 470 at 4.2. IDK why people keep saying RX480

Well probably because the PS4 Pro GPU have 36 compute units like the RX480 and not 32 like the RX470.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

No, the performance in terms of FLOPS will be closer to a slightly overclocked RX480.

You don't know this at all.

Well probably because the PS4 Pro GPU have 36 compute units like the RX480 and not 32 like the RX470.

Bingo

It's GDC time. Release the leaks!

 

[Alpha Phoenix]

Garbage article, but it's fair to say the GPU will fall somewhere between a 480 and 1070 depending on architecture. I'm inclined to say more towards the former than latter.

A slightly overclocked 480 seems like a reasonable estimate.

You don't know this at all.

Doesn't the 480 have 5.8 TFLOPS? So I don't see why not.

 

[Snake29]

Yeah the Pro is more a downclocked 470 at 4.2. IDK why people keep saying RX480

You can't really compare what it is. It's a custom Polaris based GPU with Vega features. I don't See Scorpio be full Vega.

 

[Sad Affleck]

You don't know this at all.

What information am I missing? Scorpio is supposed to be 6 Tflops, the RX 480 is 5.8, right?

 

[VoodooProject]

The rx480 memory bandwidth only does 224GB/s. Xbox Project Scorpio does 320GB/s.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

A slightly overclocked 480 seems like a reasonable estimate.

Not at all. A slightly upclocked 480 would be way too hot. Scorpio will most likely have Vega components. Vega midrange rx580, not Polaris midrange rx480.