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Section 31 Rottenwatch: Kurtzman makes a worse Star Trek movie than Into Darkness, Nemesis, and Final Frontier combined

ManaByte

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Vyse

Gold Member
Watched the trailer and was like what the actual fuck. I really like strange new worlds, but could not stand Discovery. Plus they took my least favorite character Tilly and put her in the new Academy series. These people need to be stopped!
 
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Trogdor1123

Gold Member
I will watch it still when I get some time as Michelle is great. I’m certainly not going to make time for it though.

Funnily enough, I watched an older Denis quiad move the other day called “the rookie”. Was actually really good. I like him as an actor.
 

MayauMiao

Member
If this is any other space theme show it would be okay but for the life of me I can't find anything "Star Trek" about this show.

How the hell Kurtzman still have a job?
 

j0hnnix

Member
It's so sad that modern Star Trek is mediocre.
Back in the 90's we were spoiled with great series and movies. Yes, there was the occasional terrible episode or movie, but overall, it was a great time to be a trekkie.
Modern Star Trek for a Modern Audience.
 

Alcibiades

Member
Wow I'd heard about this over the years but wasn't sure if it was going to go through.

I only got through 1 season of Picard and 3 of Discovery. Both had lows and highs but on the whole were below the quality of any previous Trek shows, plus I hated the storylines.

Michelle Yeoh has been the best thing IMO, there is an underlying campiness in her character and she looks like she's the only actor having any fun at all (everyone else is depressed or freaked out all the time).

Shouldn't a Trek movie be released in theaters? The fact that this is a made for TV movie says everything about the quality the studio expected.

Will watch if it ever comes to another service.
 
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I recently watched Picard seasons 1-3. I found it to be so grossly bad, that I'm done with anything modern with Star Trek.

I'll just stick with the good memories of TNG, DS9 and Voyager.
Picard season 3 was just as bad as the rest. I don't get why people said it was a return to form.

They spend half a season playing cat and mouse. Which could have been resolved in 2 episodes.
 

xandaca

Member
It really is breathtaking awful. At least Nemesis had production value, Into Darkness could be somewhat entertaining if you ignored absolutely everything under the surface and Final Frontier had ambition and some great character scenes. This has that tacky CGI-artificial look, drowning the scene in garish colour filters and naff visual effects: it looks so fake, it wouldn't surprise me were 90% of it shot on a green screen. The direction and editing are choppy at their best, incoherently slicing scenes up one suspects in part to disguise the undercooked fight choreography and the lethargy with which it is performed. Michelle Yeoh is one of the great movie martial artists, but she's getting old and clearly can't do this stuff at a watchable pace anymore. The dialogue is as dense with sub-Marvel quips as the worst of New Trek, the plot and characters as rote as conceivable, which the performances might even make worse: again, I have enormous respect for Michelle Yeoh, but her hamming every line up at the beginning only heightens how lame and tone-deaf her lines are, and her going camp at the beginning clashes aggressively with the moments when the audience is expected to emotionally connect with her (deploying, once again, the most tired backstory tropes going). Jeff Russo's music is as flavourless as ever and at times deployed very strangely, with moments where there should be music falling silent, only to have it arbitrarily pop back in a moment later.

If this isn't quite as horrendous as Picard S1 - in that it's so disconnected from anything recognisably Star Trek that its edgelordiness is easily dismissed with many eyerolls, whereas the first season of Picard revelled in using Trek's history to show absolute contempt if not outright loathing for the values which made all the classic series' so beloved - it's running close, which is as great an indictment as you'll get from me (Picard S1 might be the only piece of media whose existence I actively resent). There's not a single redeeming factor in here, doubling down on everything that has made Kurtzmann Trek so dreadful and partially redeemed only by the fact it's so forgettable that it will hopefully have entirely vanished from my memory by tomorrow. Oh, and just to drop the last turd in the punchbowl, there's a cameo by a slumming celebrity at the end, embarrassing in and of itself but doubly so when you realise it implies someone thought this dreck deserved a sequel - I almost said 'would get' a sequel there, but with quality as barrel-scraping across the board as it is, the scary thing is it's not totally out of the question.
 
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Pagusas

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Patrick Steward also had a hand in it, in interviews he said it his idea to have Picard go around apologizing for Star Fleet.
It almost feels like he Steward forced that line in where he calls Riker a coward in season 3. Like..dude, you just spent 2 seasons being the anti-picard.
 

Paltheos

Member
It's so sad that modern Star Trek is mediocre.
Back in the 90's we were spoiled with great series and movies. Yes, there was the occasional terrible episode or movie, but overall, it was a great time to be a trekkie.

'Mediocre' is generous imo. Everything I've watched has been bad. Including Lower Decks in this, which a lot of people and my friends swear by, but I don't find funny at all.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Never was a ST fan, not really a fan of nerd sci-fi. But I liked Wrath of Khan 1982, and the first two ST movies with Chris Pine. And when my bro watched the TV show long time ago I liked the episodes if Q was in it. Thats kind of it.


Going by the trailers, Section 31 seems as far away a ST movie I'd watch.
 

Locutus

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I just finished Section 31. Thankfully it’s only 90 minutes. The real tragedy here is that the resources they used to create this incredible pile of horse shit could have gone toward making something worthwhile in the Trek universe.

I pray to our lord and savior Shatner that Starfleet Academy bombs hard so we can finally leave Kurtzman Trek behind. I think we’ve all experienced bij long enough.
 

Locutus

Member
If this isn't quite as horrendous as Picard S1 - in that it's so disconnected from anything recognisably Star Trek that its edgelordiness is easily dismissed with many eyerolls, whereas the first season of Picard revelled in using Trek's history to show absolute contempt if not outright loathing for the values which made all the classic series' so beloved - it's running close, which is as great an indictment as you'll get from me (Picard S1 might be the only piece of media whose existence I actively resent). There's not a single redeeming factor in here, doubling down on everything that has made Kurtzmann Trek so dreadful…
Agree 100%. The only redeeming aspect to this embarrassment of a movie is that it is so brazenly un-Trek it will be easy to ignore as part of the canon.
 
I remember someone on Ain't It Cool News 15 years ago or more sharing their idea for a Section 31 series, they imagined it as a badass take on Trek about kicking ass and "banging green alien pussy"

For all I know that was Kurtzman himself.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Hot take... Into Darkness, Nemesis and Final Frontier were all good movies.

Into Darkness was the dumbest Star Trek movie ever made:

Re-doing the Wrath of Khan ending with the Kirk/Spock roles reversed simply does not work in the rebooted universe. Audiences did not have the time to connect to these characters to give the sacrifice any sort of impact, which makes the entire attempt to retread the ending more insulting. They’re pissing on the best Star Trek movie with a movie that really isn’t Star Trek. It tarnishes both the name of the franchise and the legacy of the original movie for them to do it this way. And Spock yelling “KHAAAAAN!” just was the icing on the shit.

Of course, the writers of this disappointment didn’t want to make Star Trek III: The Search for Kirk, so they had to figure out a way to bring Kirk back to life really quick. How about Khan’s blood being magical and having the power to bring people back to life? It’s as stupid as it sounds, and the way it’s used in the movie to quickly wrap everything up in a nice happy bow is even dumber. Even worse, the crew is stupid when it comes down to it. With 72 members of Khan’s crew right there in sickbay lying next to McCoy, there was no reason for a big green-screen chase scene to bring Khan back.

The rebooted Abramsverse movies take place in 2259. In the movie, McCoy mentions that Khan was frozen for 300 years. That means the Eugenics Wars and Khan’s uprising would have taken place in the 1950s. Again, Nero came back in time long after that and his destroying the Kelvin would not have affected events that happened centuries before that. Based on this movie, we had the ability to create genetically engineered supermen, cryo freeze them, and send them into space on a ship before the first Apollo mission.

Star Trek Nemesis: https://www.stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial.html

Literally the only good things about Final Frontier: Jerry Goldsmith and the Yosemite camping scenes. The whole movie should've just been the three camping and ignored the god plot.
 

xandaca

Member
Literally the only good things about Final Frontier: Jerry Goldsmith and the Yosemite camping scenes. The whole movie should've just been the three camping and ignored the god plot.

Disagree. Final Frontier is a complete mess but has some fantastic scenes, like Bones confronting his guilt over euthanising his father (brilliantly performed by DeForrest Kelley), character moments like Kirk being able to resist Sybok's influence because he's grown dependent on his pain rather than wanting to be rid of it (also great from Shatner), or asking 'God' why he needs a spaceship. Sybok himself is a great character in a bad film and were there any competent writers on New Trek, one with a lot of potential to revisit beyond inanely falling back on memberberries.

 
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Warspite

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Final Frontier is bad but its interesting as not many films fail like it. It's the main story that lets it down so badly but when ever the trio is on film their acting, chemistry and banter is as good as any other film and fun to watch. The bits with Scotty trying to fix the Enterprise is fun, I like Nimbus bits as its looks like an alien planet, scenes with the extend crew are good and the shuttle landing scene is good as well but it's the plot that lets it all down as you need something to tie it all together.
 
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