if a game isnt worth the price you can do this crazy thing called not buy it
i do it pretty regularly
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"seems that the [new] PS5 is becoming like the Xbox... in a very bad way" Digital Foundry, or basically how the console are turning into services
i do it pretty regularly
lughnasadh123
Member
I see DF is joining the ranks of others to reach deep up their ass to find something to be outraged about over Sony.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Yeah that’s cool but when I do wanna buy a game I would rather have the option of buying it from a bunch of different vendors for cheap.
For instance. If I wanna buy Days Gone right now.
$40 on PSN
Days Gone
Buy Days Gone, an action game for PS4 from the official PlayStation website. Explore Days gone game detail, images, videos, reviews and more. Buy now.
www.playstation.com
$12.00 on PC
Days Gone PC
Buy Days Gone for PC ✔️ Steam Key ✔️ Instant download ✔️ Fantastic price ✔️ Digital Download ✔️
www.cdkeys.com
looks like you have a solution to your problemYeah that’s cool but when I do wanna buy a game I would rather have the option of buying it from a bunch of different vendors for cheap.
For instance. If I wanna buy Days Gone right now.
$40 on PSN
Days Gone
Buy Days Gone, an action game for PS4 from the official PlayStation website. Explore Days gone game detail, images, videos, reviews and more. Buy now.
$12.00 on PC
Days Gone PC
Buy Days Gone for PC ✔️ Steam Key ✔️ Instant download ✔️ Fantastic price ✔️ Digital Download ✔️
SportsFan581
Member
So far Xbox hasn't nurfed digital sales via third-party retailers. It seems like there is a separate economy there also, as Amazon and Newegg often have sale prices lower than whatever the current price is on the Xbox store. This and the support for freesync are the main reasons why I have continued to use Xbox over just going PC.
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
You mean cartridges?
SportsFan581
Member
I think he is talking about the digital cards that Xbox sells at retailers (to allow people to pick a gift, and to keep the retailers in the digital loop).
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Nope I mean game code cards.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Yup.Yeah that’s cool but when I do wanna buy a game I would rather have the option of buying it from a bunch of different vendors for cheap.
For instance. If I wanna buy Days Gone right now.
$40 on PSN
Days Gone
Buy Days Gone, an action game for PS4 from the official PlayStation website. Explore Days gone game detail, images, videos, reviews and more. Buy now.
$12.00 on PC
Days Gone PC
Buy Days Gone for PC ✔️ Steam Key ✔️ Instant download ✔️ Fantastic price ✔️ Digital Download ✔️
That's the 'ol strategy banks use. People set up accounts and it's too much of a hassle to change banks. So a lot of people just take their lumps getting ripped off doing bad mortgages through their bank because it's the easiest and fastest way.
Banks know their millions of customers arent going to shop around like hopping store to store buying groceries so they can jack up prices. The best bank rates to get is to shop around and also get a mortgage broker to shop around all the no-name banks that can get you an even better rate.
Out of all the mortgages I have had for my personal property and investment properties they have never been with my own bank I use for chequing and pay stubs. The rates are shit. As stupid as it seems my mortgage broker can get me a better rate at my own bank than me walking in doing it myself. Makes no sense, as the bank doesn't even have to pay me a fee. If anything my broker's proposal should be worse than me walking in.
Thats the exact same way digital eco-systems are. Spend some effort and you'll find a better price outside the eco-system.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Oh... that seems like such a waste. If one needs to buy digital, just do it from the online store so you don't have to input those codes manually.
SportsFan581
Member
I can see it for gift giving though, a lot more personal than a basic funds card. Plus, like I said, the retailers seem to be able to discount these independently of the Xbox store, which is a nice bonus.
bitbydeath
Member
Is it both models or just the digital one after you purchase a disc drive for it?
ManaByte
Banned
Nintendo and Xbox don't.
squidilix
Member
On PS+ Extra or 16$ at each salesYeah that’s cool but when I do wanna buy a game I would rather have the option of buying it from a bunch of different vendors for cheap.
For instance. If I wanna buy Days Gone right now.
$40 on PSN
Days Gone
Buy Days Gone, an action game for PS4 from the official PlayStation website. Explore Days gone game detail, images, videos, reviews and more. Buy now.
$12.00 on PC
Days Gone PC
Buy Days Gone for PC ✔️ Steam Key ✔️ Instant download ✔️ Fantastic price ✔️ Digital Download ✔️
Grey Market is not representative and don't count... I can buy if I want a key for GOW:R on PS5 at 25$
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
this again ? ins't the online a one time thing just to validate the hardware ?
imagine been mad after the instalation of a new GPU and u need to be online in order to update the drivers.
"Hey i just got a new RTX4090 but is running like shit"
" U need to go online to update the drivers"
Pretty much. It's also a security measure; the connecting port is USB-C, so technically it can read any kind of data if a 3P drive (or the official drive) were tampered with to inject the system with illegal code during runtime (or at boot).
Should be obvious the online requirement for validation is to not let that type of compromise occur. You'd think a tech analysis channel would be aware of this but, they're PC gamers. They haven't accessed their
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
22 usd for physical ps4 new as I check here.Yeah that’s cool but when I do wanna buy a game I would rather have the option of buying it from a bunch of different vendors for cheap.
For instance. If I wanna buy Days Gone right now.
$40 on PSN
Days Gone
Buy Days Gone, an action game for PS4 from the official PlayStation website. Explore Days gone game detail, images, videos, reviews and more. Buy now.
$12.00 on PC
Days Gone PC
Buy Days Gone for PC ✔️ Steam Key ✔️ Instant download ✔️ Fantastic price ✔️ Digital Download ✔️
edit: Physical games are cheaper on ps5 and you sometimes get bunch of goodies, postcards, map and all that crap... or cheaper price than psn.... at launch.
So I buy new ghame which are 5-10$ cheaper than on psn, I get the game usually a day early before release and I have a bunch of goodies with it or steelbook
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
Didn't know they could do that. Might be the only comp those e stores have for customers getting digital discounts in the future.
ManaByte
Banned
How? Sony stopped selling digital cards years ago and is being sued over it.
Updated Sony class action over Playstation monopoly escapes dismissal
Sony has created a monopoly over the sale of digital PlayStation games and charges supracompetitive prices, a class action lawsuit alleges.
topclassactions.com
ReBurn
Gold Member
What are the legal reasons?
StereoVsn
Gold Member
There are no legal reasons. They are referring to the BluRay decryption cert checks, but that could be a separate download for the player or console OS for media playback.
Hardware doesn’t need the stupid DRM planned obsolescence check built in.
This is from 10 years ago.
Newer Blu-Rays Won't Play | DELL Technologies
Hello, So I recently got my X51 and I'm loving it. I splurged a bit and got the blu-ray drive in hopes of playing blu-rays on my computer. The computer shipped with Cyberlink PowerDVD 10...
www.dell.com
"It is unfortunate that the discs are not being read. Request you to try the following steps which may help:
(1) Update the software you use to play Blu-ray movies:
A movie that was released after a movie player released may not play on older versions of Blu-ray hardware and software. This can happen due to copy protection. Blu-ray technology requires an Internet connection for software players. The software player must be updated over the Internet to acquire new encryption codes to help protect the movie industry from piracy. Also, new interactive features may not be recognized by the original software programs and drivers. Some Blu-ray movies feature an enhancement to the Blu-ray specification called BD Profile 1.1. This may prevent a movie from being played, or it may prevent access to the movie menus while using the Quick Play or Media Smart programs."
Not sure how much this applies to the PS5 tho or if its even relevant today.
I'm just amazed that when I look up whats needed for installing a blu ray drive in a PC or any issues with blu ray players on PC...I didnt think DF would have any concerns. Or would be cautiously optimistic since no info is really out there.
Yet here we are.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I don’t see why we, the consumers should care and get worse treatment because of something that doesn’t affect us
SportsFan581
Member
Yeah, price differences can be quite large. One example from the Newegg sales page: ME LE
Xbox store $60
Buy Mass Effect™ Legendary Edition | Xbox
The Mass Effect™ Legendary Edition includes single-player base content and over 40 DLC from the highly acclaimed Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Mass Effect 3 games, including promo weapons, armors, and packs – remastered and optimized for 4K Ultra HD.
www.xbox.com
Newegg $11
Mass Effect Legendary Edition Xbox Series X | S / Xbox One [Digital Code] - Newegg.com
Buy Mass Effect Legendary Edition Xbox Series X | S / Xbox One [Digital Code] with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!
Shake Your Rump
Member
I remember when I actually subscribed to Digital Foundry’s patreon because they put out great videos and had thoughtful discussion. Look how far they have fallen.
ManaByte
Banned
There's no info out there because no one installs a Blu-Ray drive in their PC.
Flutta
Banned
ReBurn
Gold Member
That isn't a legal thing, though. That is a compatibility thing.This is from 10 years ago.
Newer Blu-Rays Won't Play | DELL Technologies
Hello, So I recently got my X51 and I'm loving it. I splurged a bit and got the blu-ray drive in hopes of playing blu-rays on my computer. The computer shipped with Cyberlink PowerDVD 10...
"It is unfortunate that the discs are not being read. Request you to try the following steps which may help:
(1) Update the software you use to play Blu-ray movies:
A movie that was released after a movie player released may not play on older versions of Blu-ray hardware and software. This can happen due to copy protection. Blu-ray technology requires an Internet connection for software players. The software player must be updated over the Internet to acquire new encryption codes to help protect the movie industry from piracy. Also, new interactive features may not be recognized by the original software programs and drivers. Some Blu-ray movies feature an enhancement to the Blu-ray specification called BD Profile 1.1. This may prevent a movie from being played, or it may prevent access to the movie menus while using the Quick Play or Media Smart programs."
Not sure how much this applies to the PS6 tho or if its even relevant today.
I'm just amazed that when I look up whats needed for installing a blu ray drive in a PC or any issues with blu ray players on PC...I didnt think DF would have any concerns. Or would be cautiously optimistic since no info is really out there.
Yet here we are.
A couple of people have said in this thread that it's for legal reasons. I can't think of any legal reason why connecting a drive to a PlayStation would require an online check-in. All I can think is that it's to try to ensure that a modified or unlicensed drive hasn't connected. If it's a playback licensing thing then they could have done what they did in the past and require you to specifically activate movie playback.
Halo2redvsblue
Member
With Sony bringing out the new PS5 with a feature that you can buy it without a drive and upgrade later if you want. I think that's going to be the future for PlayStation 6 and the next Xbox. I actually think Microsoft is doing this with their new Xbox series X next year. It doesn't have a disk drive because they won't have them built in, but you can buy an extender disk drive that will work on both the series X and the series S and it will be forwards compatible with the next Xbox after.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Yeah that’s cool but when I do wanna buy a game I would rather have the option of buying it from a bunch of different vendors for cheap.
For instance. If I wanna buy Days Gone right now.
$40 on PSN
Days Gone
Buy Days Gone, an action game for PS4 from the official PlayStation website. Explore Days gone game detail, images, videos, reviews and more. Buy now.
$12.00 on PC
Days Gone PC
Buy Days Gone for PC ✔️ Steam Key ✔️ Instant download ✔️ Fantastic price ✔️ Digital Download ✔️
That game has been 16$ so many times. Would love to know how those cheap ass cdkeys work though. Honestly you used to be able to buy keys from Amazon for example and I don’t remember pricing being any better.
Cdkeys and steam always seemed like shenanigans we don’t understand. And I buy from them.
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
The moment they refused to review Hogwarts: Legacy should have been an eye opener for their lack of character.
Hero of Spielberg
Gold Member
If the FTC and CMA are really looking out for consumers best interests as they say, this is what they should be addressing.
ReBurn
Gold Member
It starts to make sense as everything continues to move toward digital and the majority of people abandon physical media. It's a good way to ensure that existing disc-based games remain playable without pushing the cost of the drive onto people who won't need it.
ManaByte
Banned
You think you want that, but you really don't (Nintendo and Xbox sell digital cards in retailers).
King Dazzar
Member
Still used in some media centre PC's. The only constraint is finding decent software to play the discs back with. The actual drives themselves are fine with no need for updates. My drive is so old I cant recall when I bought it.
If it's actually 'pairing' like described, then no - it would be one-off.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Yeah, price differences can be quite large. One example from the Newegg sales page: ME LE
Xbox store $60
Buy Mass Effect™ Legendary Edition | Xbox
The Mass Effect™ Legendary Edition includes single-player base content and over 40 DLC from the highly acclaimed Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Mass Effect 3 games, including promo weapons, armors, and packs – remastered and optimized for 4K Ultra HD.www.xbox.com
Newegg $11
Mass Effect Legendary Edition Xbox Series X | S / Xbox One [Digital Code] - Newegg.com
Buy Mass Effect Legendary Edition Xbox Series X | S / Xbox One [Digital Code] with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!www.newegg.com
Starfield is 40€
Man I hope Sony loses that lawsuit.
Puscifer
Member
For me it's more about the idea it needs it to begin with, there's part of me that's okay with it on PC because of it's open nature that I can always circumvent if I choose too. Consoles? You better hope DDAY never comes, Nintendo has shown their hand in how much they don't care and it's only a matter of time before Sony and Microsoft follow their lead
Deerock71
Member
willothedog
Member
then how do people rip their bluray collection, magic???
For all we know, it could be just a way to get the consoles out as fast as possible. Instead of doing a step that's done during manufacturing, the consumer now does it.
Key phrase is.....for all we know.....
This is a good point I actually didnt think about....I was the odd one who got a DVD drive for my build in 2020. My next build wont have a drive. There's more cons to having one vs pros.
Still, there are options to building/upgrading a PC with a blu ray drive.
Yeah, also a good point. See my first reply above...for all we know...
I would just expect tech centric sites that actually deal with PC's would be cautiously optimistic, thats all.
Also a good point, lol.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
My guess is that it's to compare a hash of the drive's components and/or a serial number of some sort to a central database to make sure the drive is authentic and unmodified. The pairing probably downloads a key to the console that matches the drive during the activation so the check doesn't have to happen again. Makes me wonder whether third parties will be able to create aftermarket drives or if only Sony drives will be allowed. I guess time will tell.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I connect an external USB blu ray drive to a surface book and use MakeMKV to rip to an MKV file, then I convert the MKV to MP4 using handbrake. But I guess you weren't asking for a tutorial.
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YOU PC BRO?!
Member
The inevitable shift to a new physical medium is sorely needed. It’s pretty clear what it should be as anything else would be too expensive. A small USBC micro drive with only enough storage for the encrypted digital licence key… probably only 4MB or something. That way we at least own something physical that can be traded/sold etc. It’s literally the only viable option. Physical game prices would likely be increased again as a result but it’s worth it to avoid an all digital future.
bigdad2007
Member
I would love for Sony/Nintendo to go the way if Microsoft. There are backwards compatible games I bought 14-15 years ago on the 360 that I can still play on my series x today.
Meanwhile my Wii, Wiiu, 3DS digital purchases are vapor now. Sony went cloud based for some BC and that IMO is an inferior solution.
Meanwhile my Wii, Wiiu, 3DS digital purchases are vapor now. Sony went cloud based for some BC and that IMO is an inferior solution.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Maybe DF should've tested with an install to a spare system of their own to see if this is actually related to security measures all BD players have to implement in some form.
Before putting out a video.
You know, since they're such a tech-focused analysis channel. That way they wouldn't just have to theorize if it's some anti-consumer planned obsolescence feature by Sony, but an actual part of the requirement for a Blu-Ray drive attachment to ensure anti-piracy and security.
Just a thought
