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Sega Dreamcast - Appreciation and Emulation Thread
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I was using jap as an abbreviation only, did not intend to sound racist and hope i didnt offed anybody!
D.Lo
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Dreamcast version is arcade perfect, because in the arcade it ran on a Naomi. Other systems versions are not arcade perfect. They have censorship, edits and many port issues.
Dreamcast version is the one to get.
If you have an arcade stick or Saturn controller convertor for it.
D.Lo
Member
Well yes, goes without saying, but you need that for any other platform too. No way I want to play a 2D fighter with any of that generation's standard controllers.If you have an arcade stick or Saturn controller convertor for it.
sixteen-bit
Member
I bought CvS2 on PS2 back in the day so I never imported the JP DC release.
I think the tournament standard is the JP PS2 version actually due to the way meter builds in that version? Is that the version they ran at Evo all those years in the early to mid aughts?
I imagined the DC version would be preferred due to Naomi origins.
I think the tournament standard is the JP PS2 version actually due to the way meter builds in that version? Is that the version they ran at Evo all those years in the early to mid aughts?
I imagined the DC version would be preferred due to Naomi origins.
D.Lo
Member
PS2 versions were largely preferred for everything 15 years ago only because everyone had PS2 sticks. Even when they were broken or laggy or 480i etc.
480i for 2D games still makes me sad!
Eh I dunno. Marvel was Dreamcast all the way, and even in this year's evo side tournament they used the ps2 version. I can't imagine it's just because of availability. It's not like a lot of people have ps2 sticks now and use them regularly, and if they are cvs2 players you'd think they would have their own Dreamcast setup.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Marvel 2 is still commonly played on Dreamcast in tournament. I'm actually streaming it at KIT in January. There were a lot of complaints when EVO moved it to next-gen consoles.
But that scene was the only one that was really adamant about sticking with DC.
But that scene was the only one that was really adamant about sticking with DC.
D.Lo
Member
I guess PS2 version of that game gained traction due to a US release. Marvel 2 got a US DC release (and PS2 version is a turd). Once a version gains traction, it becomes the standard, irrespective of merit.
US hegemony wins over quality of version it seems.
D.Lo
Member
Yes but the standard version that everyone practices at was set years ago, so Japanese players would have to play to it as well since then.Except this tournament was organized by Bas, japanese CvS2 god (who also won it
Hey maybe people truly prefer the PS2 one, I don't know I've never played at high levels (I had some pretty serious mates to play against, and the local arcades, and that's it). But in a world seemingly obsessed with it being as close as possible to the original arcade version, the basically native Dreamcast version would surely be the preferred option, unless history locked-in something else, so I'm hypothesising why a port would be chosen over a native version.
The thing is that both the ps2 and Dreamcast versions are regarded as perfectly fine. Ps2 may have shittier visuals and slight differences, but it's an actual tossup on which to use. And it's not like the dc version isn't super cheap and easy to find, and super easy to play on an american dreamcast, or get a japanese dreamcast for cheap. You would think a top japanese arcade player would have qualms with it over anyone else.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
SF4 and MVC3 got shifted over from PS3 to 360 because the PS3 versions were lacking.
D.Lo
Member
All versions of both those hideous games are lacking IMO
Much more recent games though, both are ports not native, and a much more mature scene overall likely make something like that more possible?
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
All versions of both those hideous games are lacking IMO
Much more recent games though, both are ports not native, and a much more mature scene overall likely make something like that more possible?
The relative ease of finding quality sticks, converters, and dual mods probably helps.
All versions of both those hideous games are lacking IMO
Hahaha, amen to that.
The series truly died with the Dreamcast.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
MvC3 is about a billion times better aesthetically than MvC2. (MvC2 is the rock bottom of that series in that respect.)
If you want to argue on gameplay, then you're free to your own opinion.
If you want to argue on gameplay, then you're free to your own opinion.
IrishNinja
Member
SF IV's art style still looks like booty buttcheeks
i have nothing more to add to the fighting discussion at hand
i have nothing more to add to the fighting discussion at hand
D.Lo
Member
I'll give you that. MVC2 is a total mess, and 3 is well done for what it is, but is a pretty generic plasticy 3D Mortal Kombat looking thing. The older CPS2 games though, glorious, every one of them.
There's no defending Street Fighter 4 though. One of the ugliest fighting games ever made. As a huge Z2/SF3 fan I'll never get over (EX)4 being an outsourced 3D turd.
Eh, going by your average player criteria it's either or. Dreamcast looks better but has a shittier controller. Agetec sticks are plentiful but a pain to mod. Hori ps2 sticks not as easy to find but you can just swap parts in. You could get converters for either or an actual saturn controller for the ps2, although it's rare and expensive.Fair enough.
I only originally brought it up to defend the DC version as the best version
D.Lo
Member
Moving from the standard DC controller to the standard PS2 controller is like going from 3/10 to 4/10 for 2D fighters anyway IMO.
It's a bit of a jump between using the terrible standard d-pads to modded sticks though! Most people just need a Saturn pad converter or any half decent stick.
No idea what Sega was thinking with the DC d-pad though, after iterating over 10 years their rolling circular pad (SG1000 -> Mark III -> Mega Drive -> Mega Drive 6 -> Saturn). I guess the Nintendo + shape patent was expiring soon (it expired in 2003) so they jumped on it?
Dualshock dpad as cruddy but it is way more useable than dreamcast's. Coupled with the triggers it's pretty awful. At least a guy won evo with one of those crappy ps pads
As for modded sticks, it's just replacing the buttons and joystick which is a 15 minute simple thing. Agetec parts are so-so, but being 16ish years old the parts, especially the joystick are sometimes in a deteriorated state that makes them a hassle to use.
Space harrier and OutRun?
As for modded sticks, it's just replacing the buttons and joystick which is a 15 minute simple thing. Agetec parts are so-so, but being 16ish years old the parts, especially the joystick are sometimes in a deteriorated state that makes them a hassle to use.
Space harrier and OutRun?
This sounds really fun, wish I had enough friends living nearby to do something like this
sixteen-bit
Member
That's one I haven't head in ages, lmao. TTOB alt account?
This sounds really fun, wish I had enough friends living nearby to do something like this
Ha. When I got X-Men Vs. Street Fighter, I actually posted an image on it on Facebook and was quite surprised at how many likes it got. Decided to message every person that liked it if they were interest in coming over and it all stemmed from there.
sixteen-bit
Member
going 1st party?
I'm not sure if I can find the official one anywhere.
Pretty good idea actually, maybe I need to do this for my future pickups.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
There's absolutely no reason to shell out extra money for a 1st party VGA box anymore.
Cheaper 3rd party clones have the same feature set (dual VGA / S-video out).
Beharbros VGA boxes are compatible with both 480p and 240p games, while the 1st party box is not.
Cheaper 3rd party clones have the same feature set (dual VGA / S-video out).
Beharbros VGA boxes are compatible with both 480p and 240p games, while the 1st party box is not.
Holy shit at those prices!
Wow, really? That's cool to hear, and I'm getting 240p Dreamcast games so I have to take that into consideration.
Genesis Knight
Member
You don't need the official VGA box.
sixteen-bit
Member
Only if you're talking the N64 version.
IrishNinja
Member
damn, i know i got mine a while back for 30 something, yeah...feels like more SHMUPs are climbing. again when i rebought most of my DC collection, it seemed like the capcom stuff had been hit the hardest...oh and Shenmue 2
then again