Kiddo Cabbusses
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They made an Astro City Mini and then made a Astro City Mini V. Clearly they don't even need high sales numbers to profit off these.
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Sega Has Considered Dreamcast & Saturn Mini But Is Worried About Extreme Costs
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Saturn was big in Japan and Dreamcast is hyped the last 20 years. They will sell. Also, the games were great.
Badlucktroll
Member
I already have a dreamcast and saturn
Sega has lost the source code to a lot of these games, so these would have to be rebuilt from the ground up. The assets (textures and sound) would have to be redone also since I doubt any modern engine works with the formats 90s Sega has used.
I doubt they have the documentation for the Saturn or Dreamcast, i know PowerVR still exist and make graphics chips today but I doubt those would be compatible without emulation. Still It would be a nice nod to the Dreamcast if the mini console were to us a PowerVR chip.
Most people don't have fond memories of the Dreamcast/Saturn eras, and I bet most are aware these consoles exist. There's a reason Sega keep releasing the same Mega Drive stuff over and over again. It would make sense to have a 3D classic themed console, with titles from the Saturn/Dreamcast and the arcade Model 2/3/Naomi. I kind of wish Microsoft would have embraced this when they announced OG Xbox backwards compatibility since many regard the Xbox as the successor to the Dreamcast and Sega certainly supported the Xbox early on. Also Microsoft have shown they know how to build a decent emulator, they could do these games justice.
They also had a few PC ports in the 90s but they were intended to be run on Windows 95 with DirectX 3. They could easily package these games in DOSbox and re-release them on Steam like EA did with Theme Hospital on Origin.
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ÆMNE22A!C
NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
One of the best quotes from that movie lmao
Fat Frog
I advertised for Google Stadia
- I don't like moving my fat ass to swap discs
- Mini Saturn could allow 60FPS (many games are running at 20/30FPS)
- Game modes will probably allow double stick options.(with USB modern controllers will be compatible for 3D games)
- Retro games are too expensive
Mini consoles
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HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
It's about time Elon Musk buys Sega and unleashes Dreamcast 2 to win the console wars once and for all.
lostinblue
Banned
I only listed first party Saturn games that had ports and were ported relatively recently, so the source code should be available.
The exception would be some PC ports of the era, which means the source code could be lost, but emulating them would be way, way easier than emulating a Sega Saturn at full speed.
Listed as well.
But here is the separate list for those:
- Virtua Cop 2 (more recent ports exist)
- Sega Rally (more recent ports exist)
- Virtua Fighter (more recent ports exist)
- Panzer Dragoon (more recent ports exist)
- Sega Worldwide Soccer
- Sega Touring Car Championship
- Sonic R
- Sonic 3D
Also, I believe in a few years time not having the source code anymore will cease to be the problem it is now. Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time were just decompiled and it's a matter of time until there are tools using machine learning to reach the same goal.
That's never as easy as it seems.
I can't see them having the support built-in for that on a mini console with included controllers, nor a third party taking the time. You'd have a better chance if they were re-releases for a new console with new games coming out.
I don't think it's stupid as it's an elaborate tribute which is cool.
But I agree, Sega Ages collections rock, and if there is still source code for some of this game it's only due to it existing.
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Fat Frog
I advertised for Google Stadia
In fact, most of that list can be easily released since many of them are arcade games (a bunch of them had been ported in Yakuza games), others have been remade on PS2 like Dragon Force,Dynamite Deka, Nights, Panzer Dragoon.
Maybe Sonic R has been lost ? Who cares ?
Oh yeah, there was Panzer Dragoon Azel but it was a myth. Sega knows where is the code right now. Futatsugi took it when he left Sega. He almost admitted it at the GDC Panzer post mortem... With all the current Panzer Dragoon Projects, Futatsugi probably has an agreement with Sega to keep the code and maybe produce a remaster, remake ?
(Futatsugi probably has the Azel source code)
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Elder Legend
Banned
Has Sega ever considered making a good Sonic game instead? Because Sonic Frontier is not it.
BattleMonkey
Member
Dont most of these minis essentially run on what are similar to raspberry pi systems with roms? If so shouldn't Saturn/DC emulation be around same cost hardware wise?
lostinblue
Banned
I forgot Yakuza games had arcade games.
Looked at the list, all are repeats from the other list I did, albeit more modern releases, which is good to assert that the source code is still available.
Sonic the Fighters is new, but has already been released on PS2/Gamecube, Saturn port was canceled, but would still fit/be at home in a Sega Saturn mini box.
Holy shit at the fact they have Virtua Fighter 5: Final Showdown on Yakuza 6.
Nahhhh, otherwise Jon Burton couldn't have done videos like this:Maybe Sonic R has been lost ? Who cares ?
And this:
He clearly has access to the source code and builds he did still.
I don't doubt that Sega archival of code was crap at some point but they seem to have maintained most of their stuff, I never saw evidence of it being as bad as the Squaresoft, Konami and Capcom code repositories of some eras. Even Nintendo might have lost *some* source code along the years, and they seem to have a really well maintained archive.
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The Pleasure
Member
I love them. They go on my tv and I like to kick back, play some Genesis/TurboGrafx/Snes/Nes/NeoGeo/Playstation mini with friends and shoot the shit while playing some vintage games. They're great party machines.
Fat Frog
I advertised for Google Stadia
Yeah arcade ports in Yakuza are pure madness. Yakuza 6 is only 20 bucks on PC (but Dragon Engine is quite demanding if you have only a toaster).
If you don't have powerful hardware to run it, i suggest you give a try to Luna and Stadia: Judgment also have VF5FS+ Fighting Vipers + Motor Raid (!!!). Input lag is surprisingly low due to 60FPS port on Stadia and Judgment isn't a sequel so you can enjoy the main Story line.
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KormaChameleon
Member
I think many people will buy them, including me!
PhaseJump
Banned
This little thing does all of that, and it's more accurate at running the games properly.
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The Pleasure
Member
Doesn't look the same. Looks and controllers mean a lot when shooting the shit.This little thing does all of that, and it's more accurate at running the games properly.
IbizaPocholo
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Sega is reportedly asking players what its next mini console should be | VGC
A survey is bundled with the Mega Drive Mini 2 in Japan…
www.videogameschronicle.com
According to Twitter user Gosokkyu, the packaging for the Mega Drive Mini 2 in Japan contains a URL and password for a customer survey.
The survey reportedly consists of 47 questions, one of which asks the customer which mini console they’d like to see next from Sega.
Options include the SG-1000, SG-3000, Mk III / Master System, Saturn, Dreamcast, Game Gear, arcade or a third Mega Drive Mini.
Captain Toad
Banned
They should do a Sega Genesis mini! Oh, and a Sega Genesis collection for consoles! And re-release Sonic the Hedgehog.
Trogdor1123
Member
I’d prefer some box with wifi and you get to access the store that way. Can’t be hard. Also, recurring revenue
The Pleasure
Member
Reported for XTREME trolling.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Raspberry Pi 4 overclocked is almost enough for full speed Dreamcast emulation in many if not all games. I guess by 5 it won't even need overclocking. It costs ~35 (not bulk). They're charging like 100 for the minis. Add the shell/controller/whatever stuff costs and I'm sure it can still be profitable...
Saturn is more demanding however. And of course they need to make their own emulators of equal quality to Mednafen/Flycast so that's some R&D if they can't use those commercially (I have no idea if it's possible). But at the very least their know how and the available sources may mitigate that.
Saturn is more demanding however. And of course they need to make their own emulators of equal quality to Mednafen/Flycast so that's some R&D if they can't use those commercially (I have no idea if it's possible). But at the very least their know how and the available sources may mitigate that.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Extreme costs? You can buy a sub $100 chinese handheld that plays dreamcast games
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
It's cheap for Chinese manufacturers, not for those outside of china.
What Sega should do is a Model 3 mini with all the Model 3 games in it since many weren't ported, and the graphics would be strong enough to hold up with some modern gamers today.
01011001
Banned
a raspberry pi does the job too
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RPS37
Member
*confusedly stares at Genesis mini….
Captain Toad
Banned
And their second mini console which is also a Genesis mini. And all their Genesis collections. Or how they re-release Sonic 1 and 2 every couple years.
And there's the joke.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I’d be there day fucking 1 for a Dreamcast!!!!!!
I would hope the controller has a built in LCD screen for the VMU.
I would hope the controller has a built in LCD screen for the VMU.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
A mini Dreamcast that renders in native 4K60Hz would be pretty good, if it's a 720/1080p machine don't even bother.
cartman414
Member
Just curious, are there any shell projects out in the wild to that end, or are the size requirements too big?
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
One big reason i can think of is hardwaee. Their Zuiki Z2713 SoC (4x Cortex ARM A7, Mali 400 MP2) probably can't perfectly emulate the consoles.
However Sega should not have a problem turning Sega System SP/Sega Aurora into a consumer product. This was hardware supposed to act similar to a Dreamcast, but modernized. Its specs:
However Sega should not have a problem turning Sega System SP/Sega Aurora into a consumer product. This was hardware supposed to act similar to a Dreamcast, but modernized. Its specs:
- CPU: Hitachi SH-4 32-bit RISC CPU @ 300MHz
- GPU: Imagination Technologies Power VR MBX+VGP @ 150MHz
- SPU: ADPCM Sound system
- I/O: USB and Ethernet connectors
GenericUser
Member
"Sega considered doing something cool but went for the easy route and sold some cheap ass hardware and an emulator with a bunch of roms."
spookyfish
Member
I also have these consoles. That said, I want the minis for reasons listed above, as well as no disc = fewer moving parts = last longer.- I don't like moving my fat ass to swap discs
- Mini Saturn could allow 60FPS (many games are running at 20/30FPS)
- Game modes will probably allow double stick options.(with USB modern controllers will be compatible for 3D games)
- Retro games are too expensive
Mini consoles
Esppiral
Member
He should name it Dreampass.
sankt-Antonio
:^)--?-<
Would buy a mini Dreamcast with hdmi simply to have a console with great 4 player couch coop games.
Last and this gen is really lacking in this department.
Last and this gen is really lacking in this department.
The bolded is false. The only documented game they lost the source code to was Panzer Dragoon Saga and according to the director of the game, it may have been found.
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SCB3
Member
How many FMV games did Mark Hamill do after Return of the Jedi?It's a solid hidden gem for sure.
SCB3
Member
Can I just get a Sonic Ultimate collection at this point, every game, and I mean EVERY Sonic game released in one big collection? From Sonic 1 to Sonic 06 perhaps, include all the Master System & GG games as well?Sega is reportedly asking players what its next mini console should be | VGC
A survey is bundled with the Mega Drive Mini 2 in Japan…
According to Twitter user Gosokkyu, the packaging for the Mega Drive Mini 2 in Japan contains a URL and password for a customer survey.
The survey reportedly consists of 47 questions, one of which asks the customer which mini console they’d like to see next from Sega.
Options include the SG-1000, SG-3000, Mk III / Master System, Saturn, Dreamcast, Game Gear, arcade or a third Mega Drive Mini.
gaming_again
Member
I just want to play Jet Set Radio again (with the original soundtrack). It's never going to happen, is it 
Jack Package
Member
You do a Saturn Mini for £200, I'll bloody buy it
