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[Alfarif]

OP, you're better off just letting your actions (work) speak for you.

Yeah. While I love to share what I'm working on with people, I love asking them what they're doing more and sharing in the thrill of that. Some of the people I know are doing some absolutely mindblowing things - some of them are on this board.

I'm just baffled why someone wouldn't want to go out there and grab the tiger by the balls. I'm not anyone overly special, I just REALLY love what I'm working on creatively and I refuse to let anything stop me, short of death. There might be roadblocks, but that's what side streets are for, or a well placed anime style fist, fissure, shatter.

 

[gerg]

Pfft. Humility is just for people who aren't good enough to be arrogant!

I think there's a thin line between being confident and overly so. I don't think that there's anything wrong in believing that you really can do something, and being motivated (in that way) is important, but at the same time you should be aware of your weaknesses and your ability to fail. To say that you "don't believe in failure", unless you mean it in some kind of overarching metaphorical sense of "I can learn from every failure", I think is nearing the tipping point.

 

[SneakyStephan]

It becomes a question of definition. What do we call the trait that causes people to ignore the desires, advice, and emotions of other people?

Arrogance of course.

Self esteem also means being okay with the fact that you will make mistakes, feeling good about yourself. not pretending you don't make any.
A better word for describing that is self confidence, not self esteem. (too much self confidence).

The problem is that we've gotten it backwards. We teach self esteem itself, instead of teaching them to be good people and letting the self esteem come with that.

You should read your own post then feel good about yourself.

And yeah, it's why this 'everyone is a special snowflake' society that schools are building pisses me off.
It just creates self absorbed entitlement.

 

[dojokun]

Yeah, OP, I hate how people try to play word games to troll people. If you're confident, they call you arrogant. If you're smooth, they call you a showoff. If you're hungry, they call you a glutton. If you're persistent, they call you a rapist. If you're relaxing, they call you lazy. If you're original, they call you crazy. If you're traditional, they call you unimaginative. If you're enthusiastic, they call you obsessed. You can't win with people.

 

[TunaMarshmallow]

I've always run headlong into creativity because it gives me life.

Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Self esteem is good...when it isn't misplaced.

Many Westerners push to feel good about themselves on subjects they have not mastered. There was a time when heightened esteem was linked to measurable successes over time.

Now success has been replaced by simply existing.

 

[Alfarif]

Pfft. Humility is just for people who aren't good enough to be arrogant!

I think there's a thin line between being confident and overly so. I don't think that there's anything wrong in believing that you really can do something, and being motivated (in that way) is important, but at the same time you should be aware of your weaknesses and your ability to fail. To say that you "don't believe in failure", unless you mean it in some kind of overarching metaphorical sense of "every failure can be turned into a success", I think is nearing the tipping point.

Aye, every failure is a success.

Here's an example of what I mean by this: in a recent shirt film I shot, we had a light failure in one of the, not overly important but still helps fill in the gaps, scenes. While we rectified it on set, in post we noticed so many problems that it might have been easier to scrap it and edit around it. While the scene wasnt THAT important, it's loss would still have a semi measurable impact on the story. I spent roughly seven hours on that scene to correct the issues. Everyone who saw the straight from camera footage was very happy with the result.

This taught me two things: 1) what to do on set to prevent the issue so the post production work didn't need to be done and 2) a greater indepth understanding of the tools I used to correct the issue.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

I don't understand why people hate on people with high self-esteem ... its esteem of yo mothafuckin self!

 

[rollingstart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YBxeDN4tbk

what would you consider that? as a test

 

[SneakyStephan]

Yeah, OP, I hate how people try to play word games to troll people. If you're confident, they call you arrogant. If you're smooth, they call you a showoff. If you're hungry, they call you a glutton. If you're persistent, they call you a rapist. If you're relaxing, they call you lazy. If you're original, they call you crazy. If you're traditional, they call you unimaginative. If you're enthusiastic, they call you obsessed. You can't win with people.

You forgot: if you like to play wordgames, you are a troll.

 

[dojokun]

Aye, every failure is a success.

Here's an example of what I mean by this: in a recent shirt film I shot, we had a light failure in one of the, not overly important but still helps fill in the gaps, scenes. While we rectified it on set, in post we noticed so many problems that it might have been easier to scrap it and edit around it. While the scene wasnt THAT important, it's loss would still have a semi measurable impact on the story. I spent roughly seven hours on that scene to correct the issues. Everyone who saw the straight from camera footage was very happy with the result.

This taught me two things: 1) what to do on set to prevent the issue so the post production work didn't need to be done and 2) a greater indepth understanding of the tools I used to correct the issue.

Ohhhhhh you're a film producer/director/editor... yeah you're arrogant.

 

[FleckSplat]

I respect that you're trying to keep it simple, but that doesn't make much sense :/

I'm just sharing my recent experiences and thought it would help.

To put it another way: Have a self-deprecating sense of humor and legitimately listen and care about what other people are saying. Then any "arrogance" you show will be tempered by that and people will be more inclined to understand.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Ohhhhhh you're a film producer/director/editor... yeah you're arrogant.

Yep, close please , we are done here.

I'm just sharing my recent experiences and thought it would help.

To put it another way: Have a self-deprecating sense of humor and legitimately listen and care about what other people are saying. Then any "arrogance" you show will be tempered by that and people will be more inclined to understand.

To put it in words Op will understand: Lull those inferior dumbasses into a sense of trust by catering to their peasant feelings.

 

[gerg]

Aye, every failure is a success.

There's a difference between recognising a failure as a failure which you can learn from, and in saying that whatever happened was a success and not actually a failure.

Yes, you were able to get something out of your mistake, but you (and/or someone else) still mucked up to the point that you needed to spend seven hours to rectify it! What would have been better would have been to learn those lessons without wasting seven hours, no?

Edit: And yes, this is different from what I said earlier. I've changed my earlier post.

 

[Alfarif]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YBxeDN4tbk

what would you consider that? as a test

Hilariously ridiculous. What is he even talking about?

 

[kame-sennin]

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I don't understand why people hate on people with high self-esteem ... its esteem of yo mothafuckin self!

No hate here. I jus think that there should be a *reason* for "high" self-esteem beyond...simply breathing oxygen.

But that seems to be all that is required nowadays.

 

[Alfarif]

There's a difference between recognising a failure as a failure which you can learn from, and in saying that whatever happened was a success and not actually a failure.

Yes, you were able to get something out of your mistake, but you (and/or someone else) still mucked up to the point that you needed to spend seven hours to rectify it! What would have been better would have been to learn those lessons without wasting seven hours, no?

Edit: And yes, this is different from what I said earlier. I've changed my earlier post.

It would have and it was extremely unfortunate. But when things do indeed happen, because they do, its just a solution waiting to be found. I'm a "think of the solution, not the problem" kind of person. The people I'm talking about are the ones that let even a small failure halt all forward momentum (the coworker from above).

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

There's a difference between recognising a failure as a failure which you can learn from, and in saying that whatever happened was a success and not actually a failure.

Yes, you were able to get something out of your mistake, but you (and/or someone else) still mucked up to the point that you needed to spend seven hours to rectify it! What would have been better would have been to learn those lessons without wasting seven hours, no?

Edit: And yes, this is different from what I said earlier. I've changed my earlier post.

Yeah, arrogance implies a certain amount of obstinacy. Self-esteem is just confidence, which doesn't preclude mistakes, it just means you are self-aware enough to learn from them and not get caught up in a spiral of self-defeat.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I think highly of myself. I'm also self-centered and vain. I mean, look my body. My hair. My hair is one of the five best features about me. It's so thick I can barely get a comb through it. My barber charges me double. Such a life.

 

[Alfarif]

Ohhhhhh you're a film producer/director/editor... yeah you're arrogant.

I have a couple Macs and an iPhone too. How high am I on the arrogant meter now? /tongue planted firmly in cheek

And I thought you and I were going to ride this celestial wave together, brother. I'm hurt.

 

[dojokun]

I have a couple Macs and an iPhone too. How high am I on the arrogant meter now? /tongue planted firmly in cheek

And I thought you and I were going to ride this celestial wave together, brother. I'm hurt.

Awww did I hurt your feelings? Why don't you go make a film about it?

Spoiler

Just kidding. Who's the hot chick in your avatar?

 

[gerg]

It would have and it was extremely unfortunate. But when things do indeed happen, because they do, its just a solution waiting to be found. I'm a "think of the solution, not the problem" kind of person. The people I'm talking about are the ones that let even a small failure halt all forward momentum (the coworker from above).

But you (and/or this other person) still made a mistake. Someone still failed. Do you agree with that?

There's a midway point between getting caught up in every failure and brushing every failure off.

To use a rather extreme analogy, there are some women (I believe) who, having survived breast cancer, find the changes of attitude to life and whatnot that can accompany the facing of mortality so powerful that they suggest that having breast cancer was, ultimately, a "good thing". I can't help but find that ridiculous, because it suggest that, all things considered, these people would rather have had the breast cancer than safely avoided the whole ordeal.

What you suggest is just a watered-down version of that. Yes, good things can come from bad things, but those bad events remain bad. Similarly, success can come from failure, but the failure still exists.

Spoiler

Just kidding. Who's the hot chick in your avatar?

A 3D render?

 

[dojokun]

A 3D render?

But what is the name of the character?

 

[cityhunter]

Aye, every failure is a success.

I think it's the way you put things that makes you sound arrogant.

Every failure is not a success, but a lesson for you to learn from so you can improve next time.

Spoiler

<---3D artist/generalist

 

[DrFunk]

No hate here. I jus think that there should be a *reason* for "high" self-esteem beyond...simply breathing oxygen.

But that seems to be all that is required nowadays.

Existence is all you really need.

If you were to connect your self-esteem to your accomplishments or possessions, what happens when you lose them or you don't accomplish to what standard you set before? Your self-esteem is in the gutter.

You have value (self-esteem) because you exist, imo.

 

[Alfarif]

But you (and/or this other person) still made a mistake. Someone still failed. Do you agree with that?

There's a midway point between getting caught up in every failure and brushing every failure off.

To use a rather extreme analogy, there are some women (I believe) who, having survived breast cancer, find the changes of attitude to life and whatnot that can accompany the facing of mortality so powerful that they suggest that having breast cancer was, ultimately, a "good thing". I can't help but find that ridiculous, because it suggest that, all things considered, these people would rather have had the breast cancer than safely avoided the whole ordeal.

What you suggest is just a watered-down version of that. Yes, good things can come from bad things, but those bad events remain bad. Similarly, success can come from failure, but the failure still exists.



A 3D render?

Yes the failure existed. I won't dispute that. The difference between myself and, say, my coworker is that the failure would have stopped her in her tracks, whereas I just did what had to be done to fix it. In the end, I got a new tool set to overcome anything else and this failure will be forgotten. There's too much cool stuff to focus on to think of the failures.

The girl is a CGI woman named Vanadisa by a female Russian artist on Deviantart. She has some pretty cool stuff, I just thought the face looked cool and it had red hair so I decided to use it.

 

[dojokun]

Thanks for the info. See you guys in half an hour to forty five minutes.

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

Last year shoppin my demo, I was tryin' to shine
Every motherfucker told me that I couldn't rhyme
Now I could let these dream killers kill my self-esteem
Or use my arrogance as the steam to power my dreams
I use it as my gas, so they say that I'm gassed
But without it I'd be last, so I ought to laugh

 

[Degen]

Confidence threatens some people because it exposes their lack thereof; it's... not much deeper than that

But what is the name of the character?

for research purposes, no doubt

 

[FunkyMunkey]

If people say that you're arrogant, it's most likely other signals you're giving off beyond confidence that give them that notion. Whether they be gestures, word choices, mannerisms, etc.

 

[Poimandres]

As other have said, confidence does not equal arrogance. Arrogance is believing you are above others, or that your opinion is always right.

Also, it's a good idea to try and define yourself on your own terms and not by contrasting yourself with others. This doesn't mean you should ignore other people, but thinking in terms of "better than X" or "worse than X" isn't very healthy.

 

[legend166]

I've never even thought as high self esteem and arrogance as synonyms.

To me, self esteem deals with how you think about yourself in relation to how others think about you. Having high self esteem means you don't let others dictate how you feel about yourself.

Arrogance deals with how you feel about yourself in relation to how you feel about others. It's basically looking outwards and thinking "I'm better than all these other people".

Does that make any sense?

 

[PigSpeakers]

I think arrogance is more of a matter that you think you're so much better than other people, that you don't believe you need to improve yourself because everyone should love you even for the stupid BS you pull. I love myself and think I'm quite the looker, but I don't ever get complacent. I have room to improve, and because I love me, I want the best for me.

It's also people who think they're entitled to something just because. If you want to see those people, check the gaming side.

 

[GhostWriter24]

con·fi·dence
&#8194; &#8194;[kon-fi-duhns] Show IPA
–noun
1.
full trust; belief in the powers, trustworthiness, or reliability of a person or thing: We have every confidence in their ability to succeed.
2.
belief in oneself and one's powers or abilities; self-confidence; self-reliance; assurance: His lack of confidence defeated him.
3.
certitude; assurance: He described the situation with such confidence that the audience believed him completely.

----

arrogance
ar·ro·gance
&#8194; &#8194;[ar-uh-guhns] Show IPA
–noun
offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Also, it's a good idea to try and define yourself on your own terms and not by contrasting yourself with others. This doesn't mean you should ignore other people, but thinking in terms of "better than X" or "worse than X" isn't very healthy.

I'm not sure this is wise either. Again, it puts people in a position of creating misplaced, unearned, unwarranted lofty opinions of themselves.

 

[-PXG-]

You're either arrogant or just appear so among those who are incredibly insecure.

You seem like a nice guy though

 

[PantherLotus]

yeah so i'm arrogant as fuck.

 

[scrapple]

Why are you so emotional about someone calling you that you have high esteem or arrogance?

If you have high esteem, than you dont care what they think. Maybe that person said something that pushed some buttons that you don't like to hear.

 

[Satchel]

Humans are negative by nature.

Don't worry about it. I personally wish I could be as positive as you are.

sigh .

 

[Krispy]

A coworker asked me if I was afraid that my business would fail because the statistics are against me (she also owns a small business). When I told her that I don't believe in failure, she said that there was something wrong with me. The reality is, while I know that statistics are against me, I don't think about them. If something doesn't work, I change my tactics.

And that's why you'll be successful and she wont.

 

[ShortBus]

arrogance
ar·ro·gance
&#8194; &#8194;[ar-uh-guhns] Show IPA
–noun
offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.

Yep,that's moi.

Edit: Not that i'm proud of it,just the way I am.

 

[Poimandres]

I'm not sure this is wise either. Again, it puts people in a position of creating misplaced, unearned, unwarranted lofty opinions of themselves.

Lofty opinions, or conversely overly critical self opinions.

At the end of the day, you have to live with yourself. If you are satisfied with yourself the opinions of others shouldn't sway you too much one way or the other. No one is in a position to tell you what you should value in life and what your expectations of yourself should be... it's a very subjective thing.

Just out of interest, do you consider yourself to be judgemental? I only ask because words like "unearned" or "unwarranted" lend themselves to that way of thinking. Not that I'm accusing you of anything, I'm just curious where you stand.

 

[TxdoHawk]

Now see, I find this fascinating. You state:

If something doesn't work, I change my tactics. When I walk away from something, it's not because I gave up but because I lost interest. I've always been this way.

Then you say:

I acknowledge that failure happens

And yet it really doesn't seem like you do. Even in saying this, you strike me as someone trying to separate you yourself personally from the act of failure.

OP, let me ask you this: What would you say is your biggest personal failing in life so far?

 

[zoukka]

High self-esteem seems arrogant in the eyes of those, that don't have high self-esteem and confidence in themselves.

 

[vicissitudes]

Yes the failure existed. I won't dispute that. The difference between myself and, say, my coworker is that the failure would have stopped her in her tracks, whereas I just did what had to be done to fix it. In the end, I got a new tool set to overcome anything else and this failure will be forgotten. There's too much cool stuff to focus on to think of the failures.

The girl is a CGI woman named Vanadisa by a female Russian artist on Deviantart. She has some pretty cool stuff, I just thought the face looked cool and it had red hair so I decided to use it.

Why do you keep bringing up your coworker? If your way works for you that's great and you should leave it at that. Your posts give the impression that you constantly compare yourself to others (your coworker) and think you are better or that your way is better. That's where I see the arrogance.

 

[Red_Man]

I didn't read anything in this thread, but I've found that a lot of insecure people mislabel confidence/self-esteem as arrogance.

Defense/hater mechanism.

I find this to be true as well, especially when you run into people who've been babbied and spoiled their whole lives, and you give them a does of reality. Happens a lot at university actually.

 

[Esiquio]

OP doesn't sound arrogant. I know I am perceived that way by some, but what annoys me the most is the lame attempts at playing psychologist and saying, "Actually, people with a lot of self-esteem are just faking it and have low self-esteem and are trying to compensate". Annoying as hell.

 

[dojokun]

I just got done jacking off to Vanadisa but I'm worried there aren't that many pictures of her and I might get bored of the existing ones. Does that artist still release more of them?

 

[Yasae]

Aye, every failure is a success.

Here's an example of what I mean by this: in a recent shirt film I shot, we had a light failure in one of the, not overly important but still helps fill in the gaps, scenes. While we rectified it on set, in post we noticed so many problems that it might have been easier to scrap it and edit around it. While the scene wasnt THAT important, it's loss would still have a semi measurable impact on the story. I spent roughly seven hours on that scene to correct the issues. Everyone who saw the straight from camera footage was very happy with the result.

This taught me two things: 1) what to do on set to prevent the issue so the post production work didn't need to be done and 2) a greater indepth understanding of the tools I used to correct the issue.

Okay. What about it?