Lord Frieza
Member
I may be mistaken, but I think the CBO is a public thing. I've never heard of them rating a bill in secret.
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Senate GOP won't release draft health care bill
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I may be mistaken, but I think the CBO is a public thing. I've never heard of them rating a bill in secret.
ShironRedshift
Member
Yup. If they go through with it, it's definitely going to come back to bite them.
However, if they do go through with it, I wonder what the long-term consequences will be. I mean, obviously they'll get voted out in mass and if Trump isn't impeached he'll probably be a one-term President.
But what I mean is, is this the new normal for the United States, going forward? That one administration passes, say, healthcare reform, but then the next administration repeals it, and the next administration brings it back again? Are we just going to keep switching between RRR and DDD every 4 to 8 years, and just have everything keep going back and forth as a result, with nothing new able to truly be permanent? No matter what happens here, that's what truly frightens me if this indeed does become the new norm for our country. Hopefully not. But it's definitely something that's been on my mind a lot lately.
Lord Frieza
Member
Until key figures of the GOP like McConnell and Ryan get pushed out, that's pretty much exactly what we'll get. Ryan has a pretty good shot of getting ousted in midterms from what I understand, but McConnell is safe as safe can be, unless a popular Republican steps up and primaries him, but I doubt it will happen.
Those two obviously aren't the only two things, but they have been in the driver seat of this partisan agenda from the get-go. If one of them go down, I think it could help a lot. But who knows, whoever replaces them may be just as bad. It really just doesn't seem like there's a decent Republican at all on the federal level anymore.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
I'm still not seeing the political "win" here.
Undoubtedly the 1% will love the tax cuts and poor people suffering is like a vicodin & viagra cocktail for Republicans. However, I'm not seeing how passing the AHCA makes the GOP looks strong.
Any idiot can stab themselves in the foot. It takes a special kind of idiot to lie and cheat their way into the opportunity...to stab themselves in the foot.
Undoubtedly the 1% will love the tax cuts and poor people suffering is like a vicodin & viagra cocktail for Republicans. However, I'm not seeing how passing the AHCA makes the GOP looks strong.
Any idiot can stab themselves in the foot. It takes a special kind of idiot to lie and cheat their way into the opportunity...to stab themselves in the foot.
It's them living up to their promise to "repeal and replace Obamacare."
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
clock is ticking gop...
Yeah. Not passing anything has the possibility of hurting them just as much as passing something horrible.....at least in the short term.
Lord Frieza
Member
That's the win
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Sure...but...hurray?
I mean, yeah...these inept tools managed to whip up quite a frenzy around the "repeal and replace" mantra, but public opinion has taken a drastic shift over the past couple months.
Who are they upholding this promise to? Themselves? Nobody else wants anything to do with it. I'm long past assuming that the GOP will do anything that actually helps people, but this is just plain insanity.
Who cares if they fail to pass something? Well...aside from the rapidly dwindling & increasingly deluded ultra-conservatives. Lord knows there are thousands of easier and more efficient methods for swindling money out of people. Instead, they're putting everything they have into something incredibly toxic for what is essential a short-lived boost in morale.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
I don't even understand how the AHCA would allow for tax cuts for the rich if each state is voluntarily allowed to do their own thing. You can't guarantee that a state is going to repeal it so isn't the whole thing moot?
When people are given an inch, they will take a mile.
Sure, states could choose to not enforce the preexisting conditions clauses, but how likely is that?
To call this moot is missing the literal danger these fucks want to cause. Freedom and access are fucking codewords.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
I mean moot for reconciliation.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
I think some Americans simply have to prioritize. Right now, their racism and hatred of Democrats is paramount, and as long as they think this hurts minorities and immigrants, and, perhaps more importantly, make "libtards" angry, they're actually okay with suffering.
They need to start worrying more about themselves rather than celebrating how this will harm "the enemy," and until that happens, they'll be just fine with this.
Something something Hillary ran a shitty campaign something something he's shaking things up something something lulz
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
They're very transparent in their lack of transparency.
Byakuya769
Member
Need my man, Escape Goat, to write up a thread on how this is the same thing Democrats did in '10, but different.
ShironRedshift
Member
Yeah, pretty much I suppose. I guess this will probably be the case until the baby-boomers start dying off and take the GOP's core power-based with them. At least until then, we'll be in this mess for a while yet. =/
You either give the tax cuts and bring home a repeal bill to your constituency that cares about that, face the wrath of angry voters and dem challengers with a pass of the AHCA in some form.
Or you face what would likely be a GOP primary challenger and another group of your angry constituency that wanted you to bring home the bacon.
There's no real winning move here as the effects will definitely cause problems for the GOP no matter how you cut it, all the same getting primaried by your own party is just as bad as getting ousted by the opposition, so if you're going to shoot yourself in the head, might as well have some cake with repeal before you do.
RustyNails
Member
The words in 2009 were "ramming down our throats"
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The GOP is delusional to think they can do basically anything on health care without getting owned in 2018.
SwiftDeath
Member
Look writing legislation is hard, doubly so when people actually want to see what you're writing, okay?
It'll be great*
It'll be great*
CornBurrito
Member
According to acclaimed author David Wong the government can't get anything right, so why is the GOP getting the government out of health care and leaving it in the hands of private companies such a bad thing?
Lord Frieza
Member
Unfortunately, the GOP is in a really great position next year. The House is very possible to take back, but goddamn that Senate map looks truly terrible. It would have to take a wave to end all waves for the Democrats to take back the Senate. And I suspect that's a large part of why they are being so bold in the Senate with this, too. At this point they're probably just like, 'fuck the House, it is what it is.' If the map wasn't so tilted in their favor, I bet the bill really would have died here, but it's a risk they can take. 2020 may be a bitch, but who knows what the landscape will look like by then.
One thing that seems to not have been reported much on. Many GOP Senators have no idea what is in their Trumpcare bill.
I posted this link on the PoiGAF thread in OT Community.
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/874377162274603010
I posted this link on the PoiGAF thread in OT Community.
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/874377162274603010
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Graham is going to fall in like everyone else does.
Lord Frieza
Member
So, basically, it's exactly like the House. I mean, I shouldn't be surprised, but I still am a little. Since gerrymandering isn't part of Senate politics, I thought this would be different, but I guess not.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
Like I always said, Trump was going to repeal and replace Obamacare, the first public embarrassment of the bill not getting to a vote was because it wasn't conservative enough.
Lord Frieza
Member
Yeah, it will be scored by the CBO, so whatever it is will be public at some point. It's still probably not really finished yet, and they are also going to deliberately drag it out so the backlash isn't as prolonged as it was in the House, which lasted and lingered so long. The only real hope we have now is that whatever they come up with can't be done under this reconciliation. I mean, it may also just end up being possible that they can't get the votes they need despite what they do, but McConnell tends to get things done, so I'm sure eventually get that 50.
The gop is so partisan they shutting out they own folk now.
"The less we know, the more we don't have to answer questions and justify our decision on it right?"
Lord Frieza
Member
That's partially it, but I also say it's also in large part to prevent any leaks. McConnell is keeping as many people in the dark as possible to keep a lid on what they're doing.
timetokill
Banned
... why are you having to do it that way?
Ah... keep em ignorant tactic. Gop love that.
Is there a reason that's not asked?
theechrisfox
Member
I wouldn't be surprised to see the CBO shuttered or something with a putrid executive decision. They have to be getting desperate, you know presidump is.
AdventureMike
Member
They're having to do it that way because otherwise someone might notice that they're being dickheads while trying to erase a Black man's legacy.
"It literally doesn't matter what's in the bill, as long as it undoes what President Obama did. If we caught wind of it, someone, even ourselves, may see how vile we're being."
BrutishMrFish
Member
That's a really dumb excuse, even for him. Got a link?
I feel at this point they are ultimately going to go with the "just do nothing' approach. Especially with mid terms coming up. If they keep ACA defunded and just let it be they can keep with their tactic of sabotaging ACA themselves but not being called out on it. They probably believe they can get away with still blaming ACA and the dems for the state of healthcare even though they are completely in charge. To them it may be the only move they have left.
Lord Frieza
Member
Not sure an executive order can do that. I think Congress will have to dismantle it, and there's a lot of reasons they won't, because you have to know the budget of bills for reconciliation and budget concerns.
If they do nothing, they will get blamed for it by the public. There have been polls that have repeatedly said the GOP owns Healthcare going forward.