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Senate healthcare repeal bill fails - Collins, Murkowski, and McCain voted no

xfactor99

Member
If anyone's interested in Murkowski, here's a good story about her. People know by now she somehow won a write-in campaign in 2010 after being defeated by a tea party nutjob in the primaries, but did you know that she owes her victory to Alaska natives? After cobbling together a constituency of Alaska natives, some Democrats, and centrist Republicans Murkowski has been significantly more moderate since 2010.

”The 2010 election showed Murkowski how dependent her career could be on a broader selection of Alaskans than just a narrow Republican constituency," McBeath said. ”And she's kept that in mind ever since."

Since she was saved by the center in that 2010 election, Murkowski has responded in kind by voting more and more from the political center. She has advocated for raising taxes on the rich and is pro-choice; in ideology scores, she is now consistently ranked one of the most moderate Republicans. This February, she and Collins were the only GOP senators to vote against Betsy DeVos, Trump's nominee for education secretary.

Thank the Tea Party and GOP senators for abandoning her in 2010 I guess.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/27/16030520/murkowski-republican-health-bill
 
Part of me wonders if he had made his intentions known, would republicans have tried to disqualify McCain on account of him not having the capacity to understand the bill and vote on it. The surprise vote seems theatrical but it could have also been strategic.

Bit of both

It sure felt designed to cause maximum damage
 

Maiden Voyage

Gold™ Member
The GOP keep playing the "this is what ALL our constituents want" card.

I honestly think the people who voted Republican did want it when they went to vote. They didn't realize that it would harm them until after the fact.

Dude is trying to kill millions of people. For many it is personal. This is not a simple disagreement.

If you want to chat via PM, hit me up. For now I don't think we are allowed to discuss this matter in this thread.
 

theWB27

Member
I'm okay with people being upset and criticising the guy. I don't agree with him myself.



I agree that it's somewhat surprising they couldn't get it done. I knew they would have trouble but I always sort of anticipated that they would get it through.

Now I hope there's enough in their base that won't forgive this massive effort to take their healthcare away.
 

NoName999

Member
Still got people more worried about getting their "I told you so" in towards other members whos posts had no bearing on the outcome of this vote than commenting on 3 republicans....ONLY 3 having enough gall to not fuck over millions of Americans for now.

Yeah these people saying we're as bad as the other side are the real disgusting ones. At least the ones who said they would be happy when McCain died knew his vote ran the risk of fucking over the country.

It's not our side who voted to take healthcare from millions
It's not our side who antagonize minorities
It's not our side who subjugate women
It's not our side who commit doxxing
It's not our side whose policies are destroying the environment
It's not our side who fascism through religious dogma
It's not our side who is trying to butcher the way our government functions
It's not our side who is destroying education
It's not our side who is wants to turn the Middle East into a plain of glass

But alas, a bunch of nobodies on a gaming forum getting heated up about healthcare being taken away are just as bad as them.

So sick of this holier than thou attitude.
 

DOWN

Banned
It's crazy you have to even say this. McCain is a good man, he's a politician and he only had political disagreements with Obama, but they can also have things they agree with.
I mean McCain votes for a lot of heartless shit that he says is clearly bad but then voted for because party lines so this was a surprise for some
 
Boss★Moogle;244756512 said:

Why bad on GAF? McCain has happily voted on Healthcare bills that could allow millions to die unnecessarily. Just because he wants to spite Trump at the final moment doesn't make him a hero. His one good vote doesn't erase the bad ones.
 
I don't care about purity anymore. Right now is the time to build alliances on issues. Why? Because everyone isn't going to be on the same page on everything. Start building wins with people once you get used to winning with people, you're more likely to find ways to win on issues that you weren't able to work together on before.

But the current landscape makes that type of thinking nigh impossible.

This doesn't absolve anyone of anything but it's time to build. People know when they ain't shit. So...fuck it

McCain is not your ally on Healthcare Reform.
 

GodofWine

Member
A reddit user,zzzzzzzz414, did a good job explaining how royally McCain F'd up the GOP here

[–]zzzzzzzz414 1855 points 6 hours ago*x2
I'm not sure if it's really being appreciated just how comprehensively the Republicans were just fucked over.
See, the Republicans have been trying to pass these godawful healthcare bills through a process called budget reconciliation, which, among other things, protects the bill from being filibustered in the Senate and only requires a simple majority of 50 votes (rather than 60, which the Republicans don't have).
The thing is, the Senate can only consider one budget reconciliation bill per topic per year. Of course, if the bill dies in committee and never comes to an official vote, it doesn't count- which is why they've been able to keep hammering away at the issue.

This bill, though, was allowed to come to the Senate floor, because the Republicans thought they'd secured the votes. Collins, Murkowski and the Democrats would vote no, everyone else would vote yes, and Pence would break the tie. And then McCain completely fucked them. And it was almost certainly a calculated move; he voted to allow the bill to come to the floor. Had McCain allowed it to die in committee, McConnell could have come back with yet another repeal bill; but he let it come to a vote, and now they can't consider another budget reconciliation bill for the rest of the fiscal year. The Senate needs 60 votes to pass any kind of healthcare reform now.

So now they're caught between a rock and a hard place. Either they concede defeat on the issue and try again later (causing a big, unpopular stink that could damage elections if they try it before the midterms, or risking losing the slim majority they already have if they wait) or they actually sit down with the democrats like adults and write a halfway decent healthcare bill.

This is amazing.
 
If anyone's interested in Murkowski, here's a good story about her. People know by now she somehow won a write-in campaign in 2010 after being defeated by a tea party nutjob in the primaries, but did you know that she owes her victory to Alaska natives? After cobbling together a constituency of Alaska natives, some Democrats, and centrist Republicans Murkowski has been significantly more moderate since 2010.



Thank the Tea Party and GOP senators for abandoning her in 2010 I guess.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/27/16030520/murkowski-republican-health-bill

So she should just become a democrat then. Her party doesn't care about her. Nor are they anywhere near where she is
 
If anyone's interested in Murkowski, here's a good story about her. People know by now she somehow won a write-in campaign in 2010 after being defeated by a tea party nutjob in the primaries, but did you know that she owes her victory to Alaska natives? After cobbling together a constituency of Alaska natives, some Democrats, and centrist Republicans Murkowski has been significantly more moderate since 2010.



Thank the Tea Party and GOP senators for abandoning her in 2010 I guess.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/27/16030520/murkowski-republican-health-bill

At some point in time it became not about what ideas or solutions one had, but what letter someone had behind their name. I wonder if this has to do with how expensive it has gotten to run for office, and how beholden most are to the party for helping out with that expense. Toe the party line or we'll finance someone else. Lobbying is related of course.

We've distilled the very complex task of governance into sides.

A reddit user,zzzzzzzz414, did a good job explaining how royally McCain F'd up the GOP here

Goddamn.
 
Read his explanation. He is tired if bills bring drafted by only one side.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-he-voted-to-kill-obamacare-skinny-repeal?amp

He’s trying to avoid the same mistakes that was made with obamacare

ACA was crafted with input from Republicans they just all opted not to voe for it beause they wanted to make Obama one term President.

McCain voted for the GOP bill which had zero input from Democrats, he just wants a GOP plan not a repeal with no plan
 
McCain is not your ally on Healthcare Reform.

I don't think anyone is a true ally on anything. But if someone is willing to work with me on something, I'm going to work with them if it is going to benefit what I'm trying to accomplish. Once that is done, I'll see what happens on the next thing. This idea of 100% unity on every issue at all times isn't really logical. That was my point
 
This was their biggest thing in their campaigns since 2010. What is the GOP going to use for their future campaigns? "We tried, but the Democrats didn't support us!"
 

el jacko

Member
So she should just become a democrat then. Her party doesn't care about her. Nor are they anywhere near where she is
Not necessarily. Lisa Murkowski still votes the majority of the time with her party - she's still a Republican, ideologically speaking. Just not 100% of the time, and this was one of those times.

(very similar to how Joe Manchin is still a Democrat, even if he doesn't vote party line 100%)
 

kess

Member
A reddit user,zzzzzzzz414, did a good job explaining how royally McCain F'd up the GOP here

All things considered, as much as McCain votes against the Democrats and is not an ally to liberal causes, almost every signature achievement of his career has been derailed by Republican administrations.
 

RMI

Banned
Good on McCain. He has been woefully ineffective on a broad range of issues in the past, but at least he got this one thing right this time.

A reddit user,zzzzzzzz414, did a good job explaining how royally McCain F'd up the GOP here

thanks this is very informative.
 
I don't think anyone is a true ally on anything. But if someone is willing to work with me on something, I'm going to work with them if it is going to benefit what I'm trying to accomplish. Once that is done, I'll see what happens on the next thing. This idea of 100% unity on every issue at all times isn't really logical. That was my point

He voted for the GOP Bill. Like he's not working with you, he wants to gut medicaid, he wants the full tax break GOP bill.
 

Brandon F

Well congratulations! You got yourself caught!
any bets on when the next shitty bill will be introduced?

Tax Reform is up next(unclear if during or after August recess now). They now have to figure out another way to find money to support their agenda since healthcare didn't work.
 
A reddit user,zzzzzzzz414, did a good job explaining how royally McCain F'd up the GOP here

I've been thinking about this and it is the only real conclusion I can think of.

Fits with his reasoning for wanting to end the insane partisan gridlock and force cooperation by killing the bill and not allowing it to simply go back and try again.
 

adj_noun

Member
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/28/obamacare-repeal-failure-house-republicans-react-241086

At a closed-door conference meeting with House Republicans hours after Sen. John McCain scuttled perhaps the last best hope of repealing Obamacare, Ryan read an excerpt from “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald,” a song about sailors drowning in a 1975 shipwreck.

He likened the tune to what he deemed the Senate’s tragic failure to repeal Obamacare.

Nothing makes Ryan more melancholy than failing to kill the poor.
 

Meowster

Member
If anyone's interested in Murkowski, here's a good story about her. People know by now she somehow won a write-in campaign in 2010 after being defeated by a tea party nutjob in the primaries, but did you know that she owes her victory to Alaska natives? After cobbling together a constituency of Alaska natives, some Democrats, and centrist Republicans Murkowski has been significantly more moderate since 2010.



Thank the Tea Party and GOP senators for abandoning her in 2010 I guess.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/27/16030520/murkowski-republican-health-bill
don't know why she would stay Republican after being abandoned like that but that story is kinda badass tbh.
 
don't know why she would stay Republican after being abandoned like that but that story is kinda badass tbh.

There's no reason not to. As the Republican nominee she can get centrist/independent votes + is the only game in town for right wing folks. If she ran as an independent it would be a 3 way race.
 
I don't think anyone is a true ally on anything. But if someone is willing to work with me on something, I'm going to work with them if it is going to benefit what I'm trying to accomplish. Once that is done, I'll see what happens on the next thing. This idea of 100% unity on every issue at all times isn't really logical. That was my point

I'm wearing this McCain avatar for the week because I'm glad he voted to kill this thing. But it's not a matter of "100% or nothing!" McCain is likely only 10% of a Dem on health care. His own press release about why he voted no is still really fucking stupid, and under no circumstances should he get a seat at the table on crafting a bill. Bring in Collins and Murkowski if you want, they'll be on board with Medicaid and PP at least. But McCain most likely voted the way he did (and he confirms as much in his statement) because he didn't trust the House or Mitch.

Mitch's shady lawyering cost him McCain's vote, not really the contents of the bill. I'm cheering my ass off for that, but it's not like McCain is now even close to good on health care.
 
Tax Reform is up next(unclear if during or after August recess now). They now have to figure out another way to find money to support their agenda since healthcare didn't work.

I mean they could always cut down on military spending or start taxing the rich morPFFFTTTT Could you imagine?
 

SexyFish

Banned

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There's no reason not to. As the Republican nominee she can get centrist/independent votes + is the only game in town for right wing folks. If she ran as an independent it would be a 3 way race.

This user gets it. You get the mindless straight-ticket Republicans, but you also get the people who pay attention to politics and appreciate her ability to go to the middle.
 
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