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Senate healthcare repeal bill fails - Collins, Murkowski, and McCain voted no

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excelsiorlef

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gcubed said:
I think it should be pretty clear that McCain won't vote for a bill crafted by 15 republicans and never shown to others.

So... I'm not sure where they go since they have no viable way of getting to 50. Murkowski is probably cemented as a no now after the shit Trump tried to pull on her
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He already has.
 
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Carpe Carnim

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Journeywalker said:
They only need to hold the House and get a net gain of 1 Senator in 2018, assuming McCain wasn't covering for any Republicans that didn't want to be on the record voting against the ammendment.
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Even in ruby-red districts their ideas stink. To repeal the ACA or gut Medicaid they have to stick a knife in budgets from overwhelmingly GOP states. I doubt Ryan feels very confident going into midterms dragging the legislative-corpse of Trump around his and his caucuses' necks. But we will see.
 
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Elandyll

Banned
Journeywalker said:
They only need to hold the House and get a net gain of 1 Senator in 2018, assuming McCain wasn't covering for any Republicans that didn't want to be on the record voting against the ammendment.
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Not to presume of McCain's motives, it was strange to see Graham say the bill was a fraud and then vote yes for it, with a flimsy "promise" it wouldn't become law.
Then again, Graham is a GOP senator from SC who probably hopes to be in the Senate for many more years...
 
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The Greek Freak

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Carpe Carnim said:
Even in ruby-red districts their ideas stink. To repeal the ACA or gut Medicaid they have to stick a knife in budgets from overwhelmingly GOP states. I doubt Ryan feels very confident going into midterms dragging the legislative-corpse of Trump around his and his caucuses' necks. But we will see.
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Ryan's seat is safe, the DNC would rather pretend like his awesome upcoming opponent doesn't exist.
 
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Glitchesarecool

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Carpe Carnim said:
Even in ruby-red districts their ideas stink. To repeal the ACA or gut Medicaid they have to stick a knife in budgets from overwhelmingly GOP states. I doubt Ryan feels very confident going into midterms dragging the legislative-corpse of Trump around his and his caucuses' necks. But we will see.
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I think Journey was saying that they need to get one Republican who will just fall in line. Popularity didn't matter at all with these votes.
 
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Aaron Strife

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The Greek Freak said:
Ryan's seat is safe, the DNC would rather pretend like his awesome upcoming opponent doesn't exist.
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Snwaters said:
Is he a bad candidate, or is the DNC just not investing in his campaign?
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Just so we're all clear, "the DNC" is only ever focused on presidential elections. The DCCC is the arm of the party that focuses on congressional campaigns.

If they're not investing in him right now it's probably because he hasn't won his primary yet and Ryan's seat is probably somewhere in the 100s in terms of competitiveness, "awesome opponent" or not.
 
Journeywalker

Journeywalker

Member
GoldenEye 007 said:
If there were no changes and the House just rubber stamped it, no. Would have went to Trump's desk because the Senate would have already approved that version of the bill.
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Disclosure: I am not very familiar with this subject.

Surely there's a vote on the Bill after all the ammendments are considered, right? If he had voted yes on the ammendment, McConnell would eventually close debate on ammendments, and then the final vote would take place. When he votes no on the fully ammended bill, then the Senate has "considered" a bill that deals with spending.

Now that's a very literal interpretation of the interpretation of the Parliamentarian's interpretation of the CBA posted by Carpe, and it likely has both holes and workarounds. I seem to remember something about the Majority Leader being able to withdraw a bill if he votes against it. So it wouldn't have the desired affect of "burning" one of the three reconciliation topics, but it would maximize the "screw you" effect.
 
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Steel

Banned
Journeywalker said:
Disclosure: I am not very familiar with this subject.

Surely there's a vote on the Bill after all the ammendments are considered, right? If he had voted yes on the ammendment, McConnell would eventually close debate on ammendments, and then the final vote would take place. When he votes no on the fully ammended bill, then the Senate has "considered" a bill that deals with spending.

Now that's a very literal interpretation of the interpretation of the Parliamentarian's interpretation of the CBA posted by Carpe, and it likely has both holes and workarounds. I seem to remember something about the Majority Leader being able to withdraw a bill if he votes against it. So it wouldn't have the desired affect of "burning" one of the three reconciliation topics, but it would maximize the "screw you" effect.
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That's not how this works. The bill was not an amendment to another bill, it was an amendment to Obamacare which is already law. It would have gone straight to the House.
 
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Snwaters

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Aaron Strife said:
Just so we're all clear, "the DNC" is only ever focused on presidential elections. The DCCC is the arm of the party that focuses on congressional campaigns.

If they're not investing in him right now it's probably because he hasn't won his primary yet and Ryan's seat is probably somewhere in the 100s in terms of competitiveness, "awesome opponent" or not.
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Fair enough. Though, I look back on that South Carolina seat a few weeks back and think that maybe the National Democrat orgs might be better off keeping a limited role in 'local' campaigns.
 
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Tovarisc

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/891334415347060736

Bailouts for members of congress... does he mean their salary?
 
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Zips

Member
It's really a show of how vile a person trump is that his grudge against obama is so deep that trump would push so hard to imperil the lives of thousands or millions of americans just to strike back at a man that mocked him.
 
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Volimar

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Don't know if old news here but it seems people placed yard signs thanking John McCain for his vote along the road to his home.
 
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Gurgelhals

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Former Vice President Joe Biden personally lobbied Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) before the senator cast a crucial vote taking down a Republican attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act, according to The Washington Post.

The call between the two was emotional, according to the Post. McCain was recently diagnosed with the same kind of brain cancer that Biden’s son Beau died of in 2015. Joe Biden served in the Senate from 1972 until 2008, while McCain has been a senator since 1987.

While Biden lobbied McCain, former President Barack Obama remained quiet on the issue as the Senate was on the verge of dismantling a core piece of his legacy (An Obama spokesman did release a statement after the Republican effort failed on Friday.).
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Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...903e4b0da64e8797fa9?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Good old Diamond Joe still putting in the work.

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sangreal

Member
Jinfash said:
Link to post(s) please?

This random article I found agrees with the post I quoted:

https://www.indivisibleguide.com/resource/legislative-process-budget-reconciliation/
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Jinfash said:
Link to post(s) please?
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No, that link does not agree and it's complete fantasy. The entire premise of that reddit post is flawed. The bill was never voted on. The process ended during debate on the text of the bill. They skinny repeal vote was no different than every other amendment vote that failed, it just happened to be their last idea. After it failed they voted by unanimous consent to put the bill back on the calendar, which ends debate and removes the bill from current consideration. The calendar of business is a list of bills that can be brought to the floor for consideration with a motion to proceed. Ergo if they wanted to restart debate on the bill (something they have no interest in doing) they would just pass another motion to proceed.

The congressional budget act doesn't say anything about how many times you can debate a reconciliation bill, it just limits the time of debate.
(e) PROCEDURE IN THE SENATE.—
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), the provisions of
section 305 for the consideration in the Senate of concurrent resolutions
on the budget and conference reports thereon shall also
apply to the consideration in the Senate of reconciliation bills and
reconciliation resolutions reported under subsection (c) and conference
reports thereon.

(2) Debate in the Senate on any reconciliation bill or resolution
reported under subsection (c), and all amendments thereto
and debatable motions and appeals in connection therewith, shall
be limited to not more than 20 hours.
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(Section 305 does not either)

There are other milestones coming up that will end the current reconciliation process and send them back to square one
 
Jinfash

Jinfash

needs 2 extra inches
sangreal said:
No, that link does not agree and it's complete fantasy. The entire premise of that reddit post is flawed. The bill was never voted on. The process ended during debate on the text of the bill. They skinny repeal vote was no different than every other amendment vote that failed, it just happened to be their last idea. After it failed they voted by unanimous consent to put the bill back on the calendar, which ends debate and removes the bill from current consideration. The calendar of business is a list of bills that can be brought to the floor for consideration with a motion to proceed. Ergo if they wanted to restart debate on the bill (something they have no interest in doing) they would just pass another motion to proceed.

The congressional budget act doesn't say anything about how many times you can debate a reconciliation bill, it just limits the time of debate.


(Section 305 does not either)

There are other milestones coming up that will end the current reconciliation process and send them back to square one
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Very informative. Thank you so much!
 
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BigDes

Member
SexyFish said:
If he learns a new word he'll begin capitalizing it and using it in the wrong context to look very smart.
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Ahahaha yeah it is reall like an elementary school teacher going, now Donald take your new word and write two sentences using it, isn't it?
 
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Jeels

Member
sangreal said:
No, that link does not agree and it's complete fantasy. The entire premise of that reddit post is flawed. The bill was never voted on. The process ended during debate on the text of the bill. They skinny repeal vote was no different than every other amendment vote that failed, it just happened to be their last idea. After it failed they voted by unanimous consent to put the bill back on the calendar, which ends debate and removes the bill from current consideration. The calendar of business is a list of bills that can be brought to the floor for consideration with a motion to proceed. Ergo if they wanted to restart debate on the bill (something they have no interest in doing) they would just pass another motion to proceed.

The congressional budget act doesn't say anything about how many times you can debate a reconciliation bill, it just limits the time of debate.


(Section 305 does not either)

There are other milestones coming up that will end the current reconciliation process and send them back to square one
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So this can start back up again after recess?
 
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thepotatoman

Unconfirmed Member
Jeels said:
So this can start back up again after recess?
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Yes, but probably without McCain to vote on anything for a while, meaning they need Murkowski or Collins who have been stubborn against everything.

I don't know when the next time McCain will be back.
 
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pigeon

Banned
Jeels said:
So this can start back up again after recess?
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It could, if the GOP want to keep fucking around for another month or so. Without McCain it's going to be pretty hard to get 50 votes.

I think there's some chance we do something like trade the medical device tax for legislatively funding the CSRs or whatever they are. Basically a Boehner style deal where Dems provide most of the votes and get most of the policy and Republicans get to say they got something.
 
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Glitchesarecool

Member
Jeels said:
So this can start back up again after recess?
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Assuming they were desperate enough to continue this but by that point they're facing their tax reform that has to pass and they don't have McCain any longer, who was probably the most likely of the three to be able to flip.

also McCain is going on chemo so they literally can't wheel him back into the senate to vote no matter how much Trump screams about it
 
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