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Senate passes Bankruptcy Legislation

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AssMan

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A bit old, but what the hell:


Senate passes bankruptcy bill
Measure makes it harder to shed debt
By MARCY GORDON
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - The Senate passed legislation Thursday that will make it harder for Americans to rid themselves of debt by filing for bankruptcy.

The House is expected to pass the measure next month, delivering to President Bush a second victory this year on pro-business legislation he had sought.

The vote was 74-25 to approve the most thorough overhaul of bankruptcy laws in a quarter-century.

''The short answer is fairness,'' declared Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. ''Those who can pay their bills should pay their bills. That's the American way.''

Congressional and industry backers of the legislation have been pushing for it for eight years but it repeatedly got stalled. This year, with Republican majorities increased in both the House and Senate in last November's elections, the bill's fortunes reversed.

Before the vote and in Senate deliberations over much of the last 10 days, majority Republicans knocked down Democratic attempts to ease the impact of the legislation on people facing huge debts they cannot pay down, including single parents, the unemployed and the ill.

The Senate instead handed Wall Street investment firms a bonus, defeating a Democratic amendment that would have restricted their ability to work for companies both before and after those companies file for bankruptcy.

Senators acted against the advice of Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman William Donaldson, who said such a restriction was needed to build up investor confidence shaken by Enron, WorldCom and other corporate scandals.

For two straight days, Democratic opponents tried to soften the bill's impact on single parents and other groups, and to restrict credit industry practices that lawmakers said especially hurt the poor.

Critics said the bill would remove a safety net for those who have lost their jobs or face big medical bills.

''It will have a real impact on real people all over this country,'' said Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis.

Supporters of the bill said bankruptcy often was the last refuge of gamblers, impulsive shoppers, divorced or separated fathers avoiding child support, and multimillionaires -- often celebrities -- who buy mansions in states with liberal homestead exemptions to shelter assets from creditors.

Somewhere between 3,675 and 210,000 people annually -- from 3.5 percent to 20 percent of those who currently dissolve their debts in bankruptcy -- would be disqualified from doing so under the legislation, according to American Bankruptcy Institute estimates. The institute is a group of bankruptcy judges, lawyers and other experts.

The legislation would set up an income-based test for measuring a debtor's ability to repay debts. It would require people in bankruptcy to pay for credit counseling and stiffen some legal requirements for debtors in the bankruptcy process.

The measure would ease some requirements for creditors and enable credit card issuers, retailers and other lenders to recover more of what is owed them.

Under the new income test, those with insufficient assets or income could still file a Chapter 7 bankruptcy, which if approved by a judge erases debts entirely after certain assets are forfeited. But those with income above the state's median income who can pay at least $6,000 over five years -- $100 a month -- would be forced into Chapter 13, where a judge would then order a repayment plan.

About 70 percent of the people who file for bankruptcy now do so under Chapter 7, while the other 30 percent or so fall under Chapter 13, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute.

Most of the Chapter 7 filers ''don't have the income to fund a (repayment) plan that won't fail,'' said Samuel Gerdano, the group's executive director.

Under current law, a bankruptcy judge determines under which chapter of the bankruptcy code a person falls. Chapter 7 now allows people to escape paying any of their credit card and other debts. Filings under Chapter 13 force people to repay debts over time in accordance with a court-approved plan.

Banks, credit card issuers and retailers have lobbied for bankruptcy revisions that would force more people to repay at least part of their debt. Such a bill nearly passed in 2002. It failed when the Senate accepted, but House Republicans rejected, a Democratic amendment barring anti-abortion protesters from using bankruptcy to avoid paying court fines for blocking abortion clinics.

In Bush's first pro-business legislative victory this year, Congress last month sent him a bill placing most large multistate class action lawsuits under federal court jurisdiction, making it more difficult for plaintiffs to join together and win multimillion-dollar judgments in state courts.

Republicans strike again!
 

rastex

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See that huge mountain of CC debt the American public has towering over them? Well now they have no trench to hide in when it comes rolling over. You guys are screwed!
 

way more

Member
They make it harder to get out of dept but it's still just as easy to get into it. How about we do something like limit the number of pre-approved credit cards I get in the mail?
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
The majority of people filing for bankrupcy are not the credit card abusers, but rather people who get shafted by a sudden event like injury or sickness and suddenly become unable to pay bills, especially house payments.
 

Ecrofirt

Member
My family is going through a situation now where we're building a house, and our contractor went bankrupt shortly after receiving a large sum of money from us and the the owners of two other houses.

God, I hate that fucker. We're out $20k or so because of him, and we STILL aren't in our house. The house is a modular home, and we were supposed to be in it by last thanksgiving.
 

FnordChan

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Thank God this administration is dedicated to fiscal responsibility.

FnordChan
 

AssMan

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The majority of people filing for bankrupcy are not the credit card abusers, but rather people who get shafted by a sudden event like injury or sickness and suddenly become unable to pay bills, especially house payments.


Democrats are PISSED speaking in the House now. :lol
 

Brannon

Member
And do you know where a lot of the hard-hitting debt-unfriendly states are? In the South. Red land. Jesusland. They've basically screwed themselves. Oh well, least the gays can't marry.

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And that .gif just sharpened my unending irrational bitterness to Marvin the Robot levels.
 
Totally ridiculous bill. Oh well, these fuckers voted these clowns into office, so if I hear a red-state voter bitching, then I'm gonna tell them to shut the fuck up.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Incognito said:
Totally ridiculous bill. Oh well, these fuckers voted these clowns into office, so if I hear a red-state voter bitching, then I'm gonna tell them to shut the fuck up.
What the hell, man. I'm a red-state voter, and I'll bitch if I please!
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
ehh... I wouldn't worry about this too much guys. It is still at the judge's discretion. some dude is making $50,000 a year and facing a $500,000 medical bill, I highly doubt they are going to stick him in a debt repayment program paying back $1400/month over the next 30 years.
 

Phoenix

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Business can still shed debt by declaring bankruptcy and the people responsible for having to declare that bankruptcy get away unscathed, so how is this supposed to be 'just'?
 

Phoenix

Member
Drensch said:
Easy. You just have to donate 500k to Tom Delays wife and daughter.


Yeah, but I'm serious. I'm honestly surprised that there isn't outrage at this. Sure we'll likely see some comical take on this stuff on one of the talk shows, but there is no one inciting the people to say "THIS IS BULLSHIT"!
 

Doc Holliday

SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Keep em coming boys...its the only way to get these clowns out of office....They will dig their own graves. They cant help themselves.
 
Doc Holliday said:
Keep em coming boys...its the only way to get these clowns out of office....They will dig their own graves. They cant help themselves.

There's no question that the Republicans -with the power they wield atm- are going to overreach, just a question of by how much.
 

Brannon

Member
They already got a sharp smack on the funny bone with the Schiavo business. It'll be a while before we see anymore blatant abuse of government. But WHEN it happens (so long as the overreligious nutjobs keep influencing them it's a certainty), man it's going to be brutal.
 

ge-man

Member
Sal Paradise Jr said:
There's no question that the Republicans -with the power they wield atm- are going to overreach, just a question of by how much.

This is what I'm worried about. I talk about this with my boss today (he was absolutely pissed about this news). I told him that my feeling is that human nature is inherently selfish. It's only when the reality hits home that action takes place. These idiots better watch out if something drasitc happens, like the dollar collapsing. You'll quickly see people of different walks of life putting away their prejudices and coming together boot their asses out.

Preferably, I'd rather it happen before the shit hits the fan.
 
I hope that when we're all indentured servants to our wealthy elite dynastic overlords, you bootstrap Libertarian types won't take it too personally when I hit you in the face with my pick axe while we break rocks in the DeLay salt mines.
 

Pimpwerx

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Drinky Crow said:
I hope that when we're all indentured servants to our wealthy elite dynastic overlords, you bootstrap Libertarian types won't take it too personally when I hit you in the face with my pick axe while we break rocks in the DeLay salt mines.
Libertarians voted for Bush? :( PEACE.
 
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