I dont expect this is in good faith. I expect fuckery.
Pretty much. I'll believe it when I see it.
I dont expect this is in good faith. I expect fuckery.
Pelosi has repeatedly taken them to the cleaners in negotiations for Continuing Resolutions because the Tea Party types won't play ball w/ them.Sure. But I get this "fuck off" attitude when you consider that the Republicans aren't going to negotiate in good faith either.
There should be zero concessions to the right, the Dems have all the leverage.
Sure. But I get this "fuck off" attitude when you consider that the Republicans aren't going to negotiate in good faith either.
There should be zero concessions to the right, the Dems have all the leverage.
Pelosi has repeatedly taken them to the cleaners in negotiations for Continuing Resolutions because the Tea Party types won't play ball w/ them.
Obama got burned in '09 acting in good faith and the party hasn't treated them the same since.
Hypothetically speaking, the GOP and Dems magically put together a public option. Would that fall under the "fuck off" category?
Most of the DNC would rather repeal the ACA than have a first world health care system.
No of course not, I agreed with your post that I quoted generally. Just saying that I get people who are wary of cooperation.
Isn't this only because they were counting on using all that money they slashed from the heath care system to fund their tax cuts? If they just use this push to get some market stabilization shit done, like funding the CSRs (so Trump can't keep threatening to blow up the market, which is a large part of what's driving up premiums), I don't think it would help their tax reform agenda very much.Unfortunately helping republicans to pass a health care overhaul opens a path for them to really fuck the country. They need a healthcare solution before they can can get to work on revamping the tax code. And you know what that is going to look like.
Beyond this never happening while Republicans are in control of all branches of government.... do you know of a good proposal for how to handle the transition to single payer from our current system? This is a serious question. I like single payer, but I don't know how we get there from here, and it's not like single payer is the only way to do universal health care.Single-payer or fuck off.
Hypothetically speaking, the GOP and Dems magically put together a public option. Would that fall under the "fuck off" category?
GOP: End the subsidies!
Dems: Uh, that's how all of this works.
GOP: Okay, don't end all the subsidies!
Fox Headline: HISTORIC BI-PARTISAN EFFORT TO FIX HEALTHCARE PASSES SENATE
I dont expect this is in good faith. I expect fuckery.
The concept is fine- the big reason why it's always been Medicare and not Medicaid as the push is that Medicare rates pay out much better to providers. (aka there are way more doctors accepting Medicare patients relative to ones accepting Medicaid.)
Dems should really just push for UHC. Stop beating around the bush.
GOP: End the subsidies!
Dems: Uh, that's how all of this works.
GOP: Okay, don't end the subsidies!
Fox Headline: HISTORIC BI-PARTISAN EFFORT TO FIX HEALTHCARE PASSES SENATE
Dems should really just push for UHC. Stop beating around the bush.
How far are Dems willing to compromise?
GOP? Public option?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Public option would be one step from single payer system, whats the difference?
Lets not be naive about what exactly this is about here if they are going to do this shit when they get back. They got a lot of shit for not being able to repeal ACA. They have tried desperately to scapegoat the Dems on this and this is just one last hail mary attempt to do so, there are no altruistic intentions here. They are snakes trying to sink their fangs in. If Dems refuse "See they are being obstructionist and keeping us from doing our jobs!" And if they go along with this charade and it falls to shit like will happen since GOP will NOT compromise on their shitty health care tax breaks for the rich proposals guess who they will shift the blame to? They have the majority, they do not need the Dem's to pass anything, this is all smoke and mirrors.
I think the most that will come out of this is shoring up some of the individual marketplace issues -- maybe. It'll probably pass the Senate and be dead in the House.
Most of the DNC would rather repeal the ACA than have a first world health care system.
I question how any of this makes it past the house.
Tons of R's are already seen as feckless for not actually moving on healthcare reform, a compromise with dems where the discussion favors concessions for the democrats seems like a questionable solution to bring back to their voters. idk.
Single Payer or obstruct.
The GOP showed us that there are no downsides to obstruction so fuck them.
Aren't a few Rs trying to push some shitty repeal bill? Graham and Cassidy and Heller?
I still expect some fuckery.
Dems should really just push for UHC. Stop beating around the bush.
I don't think they can use reconciliation (it would need to start in the House), so it doesn't really matter if some garbage bill gets GOP support.
They can. They just don't have 50 votes.
It's more of a timing issue at this point.
ACA repeal less about health policy, now about $.
Competes with clock & busy agenda. But he money on the table makes it far from over.
I think this can be understood while the general idea that a possible bipartisan bill should be based on it's merits and not whether it's single payer or bust.
FYI ... the GOP had a public option in a version of the ACA and the blue dog Dems stripped it out.
If we want single payer, or UHC, campaign on it in 2018 and 2020. For now, you need to accept we lost the election and that is off the table, I'm not down for advocating voting against a potential life saving bill that will help make sure people stay on their health insurance over the next few years. Hate Trump and the GOP all you want but we need to actually govern and make it through the next few years best we can.
NANCY PELOSI: The comfort level with a broader base of the American people is not there yet. Doesn't mean it couldn't be. States are a good place to start.
Guys, most Democrats won't actively push for a single-payer system at this point in time because they believe the majority of Americans aren't fine with that idea.
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/10/542663685/democrats-fear-medicare-for-all-plan-could-sharpen-party-divisions
There is a real opportunity here for both sides to gain something, and to show that the system can actually function at times. Now more than ever we could all use some of that.I dont expect this is in good faith. I expect fuckery.
Translation: the medical industrial complex is not ready to let go of their for-profit racket.
No, they think that the public is not ready for a single-payer system. Reminder: the views on NeoGAF aren't necessarily held by a large chunk of America. They hear the words "government-run" and they flee in the opposite direction, even if a single-payer system would work in their favor.
No, they think that the public is not ready for a single-payer system. Reminder: the views on NeoGAF aren't necessarily held by a large chunk of America. They hear the words "government-run" and they flee in the opposite direction, even if a single-payer system would work in their favor.
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I really think it would be wise for democrats to be unsupportive of anything republicans want. They own this. They tried to screw over America with worse health care. Let them deal with the consequences.
Any legislation passed will be claimed by Trump and the GOP as a victory and they'll take credit for any positive things happening.
They couldn't get anywhere close to UHC with control of the white house and both chambers of congress, what makes you think they could do it now that they have none of those things?