Poppinfresh
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Not even close.
It's not even the best turn-based RPG/JRPG of the year. That award goes to Trails In The Sky 1st Chapter.
It's not even the best turn-based RPG/JRPG of the year. That award goes to Trails In The Sky 1st Chapter.
GateofD
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You have to understand that turn based fans don't just like turn based because of 'don't want to work and move and spam A button for atk during combat'
its the stuff underneath the turn based like the mechanics and *gasp* doing some MATH and juggling of what might be different attacks and things going on in the next few turns.
its the stuff underneath the turn based like the mechanics and *gasp* doing some MATH and juggling of what might be different attacks and things going on in the next few turns.
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EntelechyFuff
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As a JRPG player for 3 decades, I'll just say to the OP that I found Persona 5 to be hugely soporific but was absolutely locked in for all of Expedition 33.
It's just taste, like anything. I think Expedition 33 also has the advantage of lots of presentation trappings that give it broader appeal than many genre touchstones you could name.
It's just taste, like anything. I think Expedition 33 also has the advantage of lots of presentation trappings that give it broader appeal than many genre touchstones you could name.
SomeNorseGuy
Gold Member
IMO the only bad turn-based games are the one where there's no deeper gameplay mechanics or need for strategic thinking. Why would you need to take turns is you're just mashing the same attack/skill again and again. Might aswell play a button-masher action game.
Expedition 33 is far from flawless, but it's an enjoyable game at a fair price-point. I did drop it about halfway through, but that's more of a me issue as I wasn't in the mood for that kind of game at the time.
Expedition 33 is far from flawless, but it's an enjoyable game at a fair price-point. I did drop it about halfway through, but that's more of a me issue as I wasn't in the mood for that kind of game at the time.
nikos
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I prefer real time combat these days but some turn based systems can still be good.
Expedition 33's was not one of them.
Battles were way too easy and the pacing was horrible. Got repetitive and tedious real quick, especially with the forced QTEs that seemed to exist only to keep you from falling asleep.
Expedition 33's was not one of them.
Battles were way too easy and the pacing was horrible. Got repetitive and tedious real quick, especially with the forced QTEs that seemed to exist only to keep you from falling asleep.
semiconscious
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whether this's considered racist or not, this's definitely a thing, & i can relate (i'm partly french, btw)...
mayham2199
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No I don't think it's best game in a decade. It's a very good game and easily GOTY. I do think it's better than Metaphor though. I liked Metaphor but it was nothing special.
Performed well I'll give you but I have issues with the writing. The writing is basically non-stop forced side quest for the first 20 hours or so that I played. It's you trying to find Ciri but being forced to do other things because the people wont tell you what they know otherwise. It was one of the few times I wished the game was like Skyrim and I could just kill everybody.
Performed well I'll give you but I have issues with the writing. The writing is basically non-stop forced side quest for the first 20 hours or so that I played. It's you trying to find Ciri but being forced to do other things because the people wont tell you what they know otherwise. It was one of the few times I wished the game was like Skyrim and I could just kill everybody.
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Seiryu21
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Lmao this was definitely not meant to be racist. The melancholy and Alice in wonderland vibe just didn't vibe with me on top of the combat system.
The Devil's Grocers
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Been playing JRPGs since FF4 on SNES, in my opinion Exp 33 totally outclasses P5 and Metaphor which are both mostly retreads of Atlus's Persona 3 formula from 20 years ago. I think their whole design philosophy is tired and dated and paint-by-numbers at this point. And it's also nice that E33 isn't utterly bloated like modern-day Atlus games, either
Griffon
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That's just because you're still young and naive about the genre OP.
The best JRPGs have great stories, but their kind of repetitive gameplay and busywork gets extremely boring when the novelty fades after a few games. Having to go through that sort of gameplay again and again gets tedious very quickly as you play more of em.
I expect a few games will try to bank on E33 success (just like many games tried after FF7 or P5), and none will succeed.
The best JRPGs have great stories, but their kind of repetitive gameplay and busywork gets extremely boring when the novelty fades after a few games. Having to go through that sort of gameplay again and again gets tedious very quickly as you play more of em.
I expect a few games will try to bank on E33 success (just like many games tried after FF7 or P5), and none will succeed.
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Bernardougf
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Every time I see a lot of haters of some game genre praising a game theoretically on that same genre I frown a bit and put my expectations in check ... more often than not its because they fucked up the classic gameplay but still maintained some level of the "feel" that puts the name on that genre( in this case turn based rpg)
Case in point Elden Ring ... suddenly everybody and their mothers loved souls games ... welp .. it was dogshit and not what I would expect from a classic souls (imho). Albeit a competent and highly successful game.
Case in point Elden Ring ... suddenly everybody and their mothers loved souls games ... welp .. it was dogshit and not what I would expect from a classic souls (imho). Albeit a competent and highly successful game.
DeVeAn
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Sentenza
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I'm not sure what you are even attempting to ask, but to (SORT OF) answer your question anyway...
I'm a fan of turn-based tactical combat, but the kind I like is NOT the "menu-based" style popularized in most classic JRPGs.
It's the one where positioning, movement and line of sight matter. The kind you'd find in games like XCOM, Battle Brothers, Baldur's Gate 3, Temple of Elemental Evil, Jagged Alliance, etc.
I'm a fan of turn-based tactical combat, but the kind I like is NOT the "menu-based" style popularized in most classic JRPGs.
It's the one where positioning, movement and line of sight matter. The kind you'd find in games like XCOM, Battle Brothers, Baldur's Gate 3, Temple of Elemental Evil, Jagged Alliance, etc.
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ReyBrujo
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Maybe after you hit your 30s, your tastes start to change.
Wait until you reach 40 and start liking dungeon crawlers. We will wait for you in our small bastion.
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NeoIkaruGAF
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People seriously think that the combat in Persona has anything special apart from Atlus's passion for gotchas that will wipe out your party and make you waste an hour of your life?
Hero_Select
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The only people comparing it to a Soulsborne game are people who have no idea what they're talking about.
That being said it is my GOTY, it does a lot of things right - namely the gameplay and music. The story is great as well but Act 3 is a bit disjointed.
PSbigfan
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Zacfoldor
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Agree to disagree.
bender
What time is it?
Well I wish to be young again, this is my first game, what is yours ? Don't lie.
River Raid is awesome. That is all.
Griffon
Member
I meant regarding JRPGs, not regarding gaming as a whole (otherwise yes I'm younger than you).
My first JRPG was FF7. And just like you I was striken and enamored with the idea of playing more of that genre. I tried and finished many more JRPGs, until it took me two decades to realize that I only really liked a few Final Fantasy games and pretty much nothing else.
P5 has a great story, but towards the end I just put the game on easy just to see the end of the story, didn't want to do anymore busywork and repetitive same old battles. I would've taken the gameplay more seriously if I didn't have the "been there done that" feeling all around.
semiconscious
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yeah, i was actually just fucking around, but it is a thin-skinned world, eh? &, yes, my time with the demo confirms where you're coming from. just the fact that everyone's so clean, healthy, well-groomed & well (if not elaborately) -dressed kinda put me off immediately. will likely check it out someday when cheaper, but in no hurry...
Zacfoldor
Member
Not at all imho.
I loved P5R but it was overlong and also off putting for non-genre fans. Particularly in the way that convos played out. Long term jrpgr's like myself know to skip MOST of that boring text scroll endless weeb jank but new players who are coming into the genre do not.
Do you realize how much torture it is to think you actually have to read every line of redundant meaningless dialog in Persona 5 Royal? I'd argue the original Persona 5 might have been the better game just due to the pacing. To imagine that gigantic game which I platinumed would appeal beyond hardcore jrpgs fans is delusion. Don't get me started on the STORY of P5R after Kamoshida's arc. Every other "arc" was pure filler mate. The MAJORITY of the game's story. Only Kamoshida had any emotion in it whatsoever. The story twist was pretty weak and I just don't think story was a strong point at all in P5R. Mainly it was the characters like Lady Ann and Morgana that kept me coming back. You know what too? The character development wasn't even that great. Ryuji was a cool guy but like, how was his characterization? The side activities you do with him are basically going to eat or play games and his personality doesn't shine thru. In E33, characters like Renoir and Esquie are timeless.
There are a few turn based games better than E33, but not many. Several old ones, BG3. Maybe DOS2, Maybe WOTR. Not that many truthfully.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but E33 will win goty this year easily. There is no filler in this game and every part of it was clearly handled with love and lots of thought put into it. It is hard to point to errors in development. The story by the end was magnanimous. I get that most people don't get things but fuck. You really did not like E33 and beat it all the way thru? That blows my mind.
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Mister Wolf
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Baldur's Gate 3 > Rogue Trader > E33
GateofD
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Hell yea. I'm shit at soul games. Only beaten old demon souls. pokemon ring is what allowed me to stand a chance of finishing it
ShadyAcshuns
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It's good, possibly great, but not the "OMG BeSt EvArrrr GaMe of ThE GenErATION!!!!1111"
GateofD
Member
This. EE33 deserves it, and it winning doesn't mean that it's the best of its genre either. It should win goty based on how many it reached with its story, music and combat system that most people outright just dismiss, which might not be perfect for everyone but its serviceable enough and any flaws one might find is on purpose because of how they wanted to present it. With a clear vision on what kind of story it wanted and not some checklist of demographics.
Along with a great price point and no predatory microtransaction or "early launch" add on fee, it represents what games should be.
yogaflame
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Ex33, Persona, and Metaphor are good for this generation, but still far from the legendary games of the 90's and early 2000. For me nothing can beat this games when it comes to turn base combat from my experience: Shadow hearts, Legend of Legaia, Xenogears, FF7 OG, FF8 OG and DQ 8. I could have included Parasite eve, but it is already considered a hybrid turn base combat.
This is all opinions, and moreover, opinion that can substantially and conclusively be proven to be a minority one, given Persona 5 reviewed better and sold better than E33, meaning by literally any metric it is the better liked game. And I disagree with you on "every arc after Kamoshida was filler" (it was not), "story was not a strong point" (it was compelling) and Persona 5 Royal somehow having worse pacing than the original (Persona 5 Royal is only 5 hours longer than the original while adding 30 hours of content, it streamlined the dialog and pacing of the original game massively). I also do not have anywhere near as strong of an affinity for any character in E33 except Maelle as I do for the P5 cast
It probably will win GOTY. It will be well deserved if I does, it is a good game.
The story is actually one of the easiest points that can be criticized (and its second act pivot is one of the most contentious points of criticism; I myself think the game is nowhere near as great as it could have been because of where the story is by the end. The second act pivot narrows the scope of the world severely, and also undermines the great and painstaking work gone into the world building until then).
But see, opinions.
I never said I didn't like E33.
This is the big issue with E33 fans, they only see things in binary with the game. It has to be a life changing generational innovative all time great experience, and if it is not, then it is viewed as criticism. I think E33 is a great game (it is in my top three of the year so far), and it has an insane number of positive qualities, many of which are worth discussing and acknowledging, but a) I do not think it is the best JRPG b) I do not think it is the best turn based game c) I don't think it is "innovative", and anyone who has more than a passing knowledge of turn based games can demonstrably prove that it is not innovative.
But neither of those points mean I don't like E33.
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