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Sex: What's Right And What's Wrong

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Leguna

Banned
DISCLIAMER:
I've recenlty been struggling with this issue. I'm keeping a very open mind on all of this, but I have put a LOT of thought into this and had MANY debates and discussions with very religious people, non-religious, virgins, non-virgins, married and divorcred people. I collected all the information from that and formed my own conclusion that I think works pretty well for everyone to pass on.

Sex: What's Right And What's Wrong:
Virgins, non-virgins, sluts, whores, waiting until marriage, having sex before marriage…where do you draw the line? What's right and what's wrong? Is there an age when someone's ready? Will God look down on me if I wasn't a virgin going into marriage? Well, I finally have the answer to all these questions.

I came up with something I can pass on to my kids. The decision to have sex comes down to one thing, a question to yourself: What are you willing to sacrifice/give up?

For example, I'm not willing to have a terminal disease, so getting checked before sex is a must for me.

I AM willing to give up my single life to care for a child if one was born through the sex on accident.

I'm also willing to "look past" a girl's sexual past if I'm really in love with her and I feel she's really in love with me. If I'm willing to settle for a girl that's slept with as much as 3 other guys before me, then that means I’d forgive myself if I slept with 3 other girls. In doing that, I'm giving up the possibility to date those girls that are only willing to be with a man that's either never slept with a girl before (as few and far between those are) or ones that are not willing to be with a man that’s only slept with 2 girls (this is an example and not the real case).

Obviously a 13 year old wouldn't be able to care for a child, so sex for them is out of the question. Age has nothing to do with it. It has more to do with the ability to take responsibility. Once that person is ready and able, then the question should be asked.

Having sex is wrong when you don't ask yourself the question before sex and/or have asked yourself the question but are not willing to take full responsibility for the turn out going in. The right way is to ask yourself the question and stay true to your answer and your values. Having sex irresponsibly according to your values is wrong. It's a personal decision at the individual basis. Everyone is going to answer that question differently. I don't care what your answer is, as long as you stand true to it.

For those that feel religion holds them back, God never said, "No one must have sex before marriage." That's not to say, go out and have sex like crazy. In fact, marriage hasn't been around forever and yet people that lived in that time still had one thing in common with modern times, commitment (which should be viewed as the most important aspect to a marriage). God wants to see commitment and protect family unity. God wants marriage and that promise to him to be sacred and pure (the reason why women wear white in a wedding). Everything God says, He says for a reason. But I believe the reasons for the intrepretation in the Bible for not having sex until marriage was to make it easier for us to be commited at the right time, when we are ready to handle the responsibilities of a family.

I hope that helps :)
 

darscot

Member
Leguna said:
I'm also willing to forgive a girl's sexual past

Since when is this something that needs forgiveness? People that think like this baffle me? Like it or not sex is the most natural and normal thing there is. The is nothing wrong with sex!
 

Pug

Member
I can't decide if this post is from a sexually frustrated teenager or sexually frustrated Religious fanatic. By the way there is no god. It was made up around 2000 or so yrs ago to keep the meek in check and the rich, rich. Know go out find the nearest female that willing to partner you and have sex. Oh it normally its customary to have a cigarette afterwards.
 

demi

Member
A funny thing happened last night on IRC Darian...

THERE IS A REASON HE HAS THAT TAG. IT IS FOREVER SHACKLED TO HIS NECK LIKE A BRACE. FOREVER SCARRED.
 

human5892

Queen of Denmark
Pug said:
It was made up around 2000 or so yrs ago to keep the meek in check and the rich, rich.
...I feel as if I need to apologize on behalf of all atheists/agnostics for this.

Hey, now I know how moderate Christians feel in the face of raving fundamentals!
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
demi said:
A funny thing happened last night on IRC Darian...

THERE IS A REASON HE HAS THAT TAG. IT IS FOREVER SHACKLED TO HIS NECK LIKE A BRACE. FOREVER SCARRED.

I didn't even notice the tag.

How do you like my behavior?
Report problems to Drinky Crow
until 3/15/2005

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Does the date hold any specific significance?
 

Pug

Member
Human, It's an ironic line, trying to show how in leguna's everything revolved around making decesions on what "god" says not on what He thinks! For the record I'm married to a practicing Catholic and off course our child is being brought up Catholic. Me your correct I'm a anthesist.
 

human5892

Queen of Denmark
Pug said:
Human, It's an ironic line, trying to show how in leguna's everything revolved around making decesions on what "god" says not on what He thinks! For the record I'm married to a practicing Catholic and off course our child is being brough up Catholic. Me your correct I'm a anthesist.
Sorry I missed that. I'm just relieved you weren't serious.
 

Dilbert

Member
I'm so confused -- is your post supposed to be your recommended sex advice for everyone ELSE?

Leguna said:
If I'm willing to settle for a girl that's slept with as much as 3 other guys before me, then that means I’d forgive myself if I slept with 3 other girls. In doing that, I'm giving up the possibility to date those girls that are only willing to be with a man that's either never slept with a girl before (as few and far between those are) or ones that are not willing to be with a man that’s only slept with 2 girls (this is an example and not the real case).
This part of your post really bothered me. The number of partners that a woman had is irrelevant, and it offends me that you'd value an experienced woman less.
 

dog$

Hates quality gaming
In the beginning, I tried to keep myself under the axiom that The Female Must Weigh Less Than I Do.

Desperation among other things sorta got in the way of that, so now I'm basically at The Female Must Not Be Physically Deformed Or Visibly Diseased phase. I take what I can get.
 

darscot

Member
The last thing I want to be thinking about a girl during sex is: "Has she ever done this before?" I need a girl with some skill and experience.
 

DjangoReinhardt

Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
-jinx- said:
This part of your post really bothered me. The number of partners that a woman had is irrelevant, and it offends me that you'd value an experienced woman less.

Why would you let something like that offend you?
 

Lathentar

Looking for Pants
-jinx- said:
This part of your post really bothered me. The number of partners that a woman had is irrelevant, and it offends me that you'd value an experienced woman less.
I think there is a big difference in a girl that has had many sex partners and a girl that has few. I'd be a little irked to find that I was dating someone that has had more than say... 15 sexual partners (considering I'm only 20). Just depends on what sex means to you really.
 
Seriously Leguna, you are a f'n... I cannot believe that you even have a girlfriend with such a smug, holier than though attitude.
 

frolet

Banned
Pug said:
By the way there is no god. It was made up around 2000 or so yrs ago to keep the meek in check and the rich, rich.

You fucking moron, the idea of god has existed long before Jesus. Dumbfuck trying to be funny.
 
How many guys a girl has been with can be an important thing, it sets a trend.

If it's WAY too many, then I'd back away. At that point I'd pretty well know I'm just a notch on her bedpost and nothing serious would come out of it. Besides dont need any STDs... thats shit's like bad luggage, you just can't get rid of it.

But if it's spread out and not one right after another, that could mean she just hasnt found a guy shes clicked with.
 

Boogie

Member
Gawdamn he's a pretentious sumbitch, ain't he?

He's not creating a thread for discussion and opinions, he just creates it so that he can impart his great wisdom upon us lesser beings :p

Nonetheless, I think this:
For those that feel religion holds them back, God never said, "No one must have sex before marriage." That's not to say, go out and have sex like crazy. In fact, marriage hasn't been around forever and yet people that lived in that time still had one thing in common with modern times, commitment (which should be viewed as the most important aspect to a marriage). God wants to see commitment and protect family unity. God wants marriage and that promise to him to be sacred and pure (the reason why women wear white in a wedding). Everything God says, He says for a reason. But I believe the reasons for the intrepretation in the Bible for not having sex until marriage was to make it easier for us to be commited at the right time, when we are ready to handle the responsibilities of a family.

is fairly close to my own thoughts on sex as well.
 

ToxicAdam

Member
Leguna said:
DISCLIAMER:
to sacrifice/give up?[/b]

For example, I'm not willing to have a terminal disease, so getting check before sex is a must for me.

I AM willing to give up my single life to care for a child if one was born through the sex on accident.

I'm also willing to "look past" a girl's sexual past if I'm really in love with her and I feel


You have put all these "conditions" on sex ... that you have stripped any type of pleasure away from it. You will lead a very sexually frustrated experience on this planet.


Seriously think about some sort of counseling. You have alot of issues to work out.
 

Dilbert

Member
DjangoReinhardt said:
Why would you let something like that offend you?
Well, to be fair, I'm making an assumption, so I should probably spell it out.

In general, there is a double standard -- at least in American society -- that glorifies men for being virile and able to get sex whenever they want, but expects women to be largely pure. If a guy has a lot of partners, he's a "stud"...but if a woman has a lot of partners, she's a "slut." (Of course, this is a particularly fun expectation to place on women after hitting them with the ideal of looking sexy, but I digress.) By using the word "forgive" twice (once after an edit), it's clear that Leguna considers a woman having a lot of partners to be a bad thing -- otherwise, what's to forgive? So, I'm assuming that he's entrenched in that mindset.

Now, it could be that he thinks that BOTH men and women ought to have very few sex partners in their lifetime, but his other comments don't seem to bear that out. For one, he starts out by saying that the decision to have/not have sex ought to be based on what is essentially a pragmatic tradeoff: "What are you willing to sacrifice/give up?" For another, he says later that "it's a personal decision at the individual basis. Everyone is going to answer that question differently. I don't care what your answer is, as long as you stand true to it." Well, that can't be the case since he DOES apparently care how a woman "answered that question."

If someone is disease-free, I don't see why their sexual history is relevant.
 
I believe sexual history of both individuals are relavent. I absolutely hate the "spring Break" type girls. YOu can tell alot about the person and how much they respect themselves. Basically dont date sluts.
 

darscot

Member
Hate to chime in but I just can't resist.

The definition of a slut is a girl that does something to someone else you wish she would do to you!

If your the kind of guy that uses the term slut it says a lot about you. It says that you don't have the skill to land a girl that far lesser men did.
 
darscot said:
Hate to chime in but I just can't resist.

The definition of a slut is a girl that does something to someone else you wish she would do to you!

If your the kind of guy that uses the term slut it says a lot about you. It says that you don't have the skill to land a girl that far lesser men did.

huh? no slut is someone with loose morals and very well can be "landed" by anyone and everyone.
 

Ristamar

Member
-jinx- said:
The number of partners that a woman had is irrelevant, and it offends me that you'd value an experienced woman less.

I would not say it's entirely irrelevant, though quantifying and judging by numbers alone is rather ignorant. And the same "standards" should apply to men, as well, not just women.
 

darscot

Member
I should clarify one thing I do consider a womens sexual past based on quality not quantity. If I know a girl has slept with a guy I consider a dirt bag I will pass. It's not how many its who. If rumor has it she has slept with 50 guys and I know none of them she is fair game. If however She has slept with one and it's my brother she's done for.

When you have reasonable skill you will find youself capable of landing (not sure of the word here) most/majority/you fair share of women. Does that mean sudenly they are all sluts. If she is easy for me to land does that make her a slut. Or is it only when she is easy for someone else?
 

Justin Bailey

------ ------
Kabuki Waq said:
I believe sexual history of both individuals are relavent. I absolutely hate the "spring Break" type girls. YOu can tell alot about the person and how much they respect themselves. Basically dont date sluts.
^
Yeah what he said.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
NLB2 said:
Leguna, thirteen year olds might not be able to raise a child, but they can have an abortion.

I sincerely hope you're not tossing that out as a justification for underage sex. "Oh well, they can always have an abortion, so who cares what they do?" If so, that's a pretty screwed up way of looking at things, but it's hard to get a read on your tone with that post, so I'll withhold judgment.
 

NLB2

Banned
Loki said:
I sincerely hope you're not tossing that out as a justification for underage sex. "Oh well, they can always have an abortion, so who cares what they do?" If so, that's a pretty screwed up way of looking at things, but it's hard to get a read on your tone with that post, so I'll withhold judgment.

Both a joke and a serious post. At least from my perspective, getting a girl pregnant is hardly the most scary thing about having sex. When that happens you're just down a couple hundred dollars for an abortion. However, thirteen year olds probably shouldn't be having sex for different reasons than because they're not ready to be a parent and if not being ready to be a parent is a reason to not have sex, then I shouldn't be having sex either(which would be sad).
 

Ristamar

Member
NLB2 said:
At least from my perspective, getting a girl pregnant is hardly the most scary thing about having sex. When that happens you're just down a couple hundred dollars for an abortion.

Wow. This may be the most disturbing thing I've seen on GAF in quite a long time.
 

8bit

Knows the Score
Foreign Jackass said:
Asking advice/opinions about sex on a gaming forum? Very clever. :lol

I'm not sure if it's asking for advice, giving advice, or trying to make some sort of religious stand with regard to his own opinion. Regardless of such, I feel it's one of the more bone-headed posts I've seen here in a long time, and that's saying something.
 

NLB2

Banned
Ristamar said:
Wow. This may be the most disturbing thing I've seen on GAF in quite a long time.
Yeah, I'm pretty gung ho when it comes to not caring about fetuses.
Asking advice/opinions about sex on a gaming forum? Very clever.
This is the best place I know of for getting advice on such subjects.
 

Tarazet

Member
I'm going to bite on this, because I'd like to see what happens...

Leguna said:
DISCLIAMER:
I've recenlty been struggling with this issue. I'm keeping a very open mind on all of this, but I have put a LOT of thought into this and had MANY debates and discussions with very religious people, non-religious, virgins, non-virgins, married and divorcred people. I collected all the information from that and formed my own conclusion that I think works pretty well for everyone to pass on.

If you are struggling with what sexual behaviors are and aren't wrong, you're already asking the wrong question, and this already calls into question exactly how open your mind can possibly be. What is your own background?

Sex: What's Right And What's Wrong:
Virgins, non-virgins, sluts, whores, waiting until marriage, having sex before marriage…where do you draw the line? What's right and what's wrong? Is there an age when someone's ready? Will God look down on me if I wasn't a virgin going into marriage? Well, I finally have the answer to all these questions.

Correction: You have an answer, which may be perfectly valid for you but may or may not hold water if transferred. For that matter, you don't even know for sure if it will hold true for yourself. Shit happens, and it gets really interesting and complicated sometimes.

I came up with something I can pass on to my kids. The decision to have sex comes down to one thing, a question to yourself: What are you willing to sacrifice/give up?

If you view sex as a threat to your well-being, then this is a sound and logical ideology.

I don't.

We live in the 21st century. There are treatments for STDs, there are methods of protection, there are certain social standards. As the basic body of knowledge of sex gets disseminated, though, people aren't being put at ease. Like you, they're getting scared. This is perplexing, because sex can be safer now than it has been at any point in recorded history. You can go through the full mechanics of impregnation, unprotected, and then there's something called the "Morning-After Pill" which prevents conception. This is absolutely unheard of.

For example, I'm not willing to have a terminal disease, so getting checked before sex is a must for me.

I AM willing to give up my single life to care for a child if one was born through the sex on accident.

I'm also willing to "look past" a girl's sexual past if I'm really in love with her and I feel she's really in love with me. If I'm willing to settle for a girl that's slept with as much as 3 other guys before me, then that means I’d forgive myself if I slept with 3 other girls. In doing that, I'm giving up the possibility to date those girls that are only willing to be with a man that's either never slept with a girl before (as few and far between those are) or ones that are not willing to be with a man that’s only slept with 2 girls (this is an example and not the real case).

That's an extremely arbitrary standard and worth a serious rethink. It's also encouraging a level of promiscuity that I'm not sure you are intending to promote.

Obviously a 13 year old wouldn't be able to care for a child, so sex for them is out of the question. Age has nothing to do with it. It has more to do with the ability to take responsibility. Once that person is ready and able, then the question should be asked.

By this logic, most women are not ready to have children until their mid-20's, if even then. Should they abstain from sex? The fortunate thing is that they don't have to.

Having sex is wrong when you don't ask yourself the question before sex and/or have asked yourself the question but are not willing to take full responsibility for the turn out going in. The right way is to ask yourself the question and stay true to your answer and your values. Having sex irresponsibly according to your values is wrong. It's a personal decision at the individual basis. Everyone is going to answer that question differently. I don't care what your answer is, as long as you stand true to it.

Here, you step out of the outline that you've put together. Now it's to someone to decide what is right or wrong, which as a statement has some applicable value to it. But it's not just an individual's choice. It's two individuals' choices. If you only think about yourself, you will run into conflict.

For those that feel religion holds them back, God never said, "No one must have sex before marriage." That's not to say, go out and have sex like crazy. In fact, marriage hasn't been around forever and yet people that lived in that time still had one thing in common with modern times, commitment (which should be viewed as the most important aspect to a marriage). God wants to see commitment and protect family unity. God wants marriage and that promise to him to be sacred and pure (the reason why women wear white in a wedding). Everything God says, He says for a reason. But I believe the reasons for the intrepretation in the Bible for not having sex until marriage was to make it easier for us to be commited at the right time, when we are ready to handle the responsibilities of a family.

I am not a religious person, but can't argue with the basic content... except that it's really separate from your seeming train of thought. Most of what you've said so far seems to be applicable to random sex, free of commitment. That said, I'm pretty sure there are passages in the Bible about saving oneself for marriage.

I hope that helps :)

Not fuckin' likely, frankly. Your ideas need more time in the oven.
 
NLB2 said:
Yeah, I'm pretty gung ho when it comes to not caring about fetuses.

Since having an abortion is really no biggie for the girl?

I'm all for abortions, but I don't think you walk out from it feeling the same as if you'd just had your teeth cleaned. It may be a few hundred dollars worth of contraception to you, but she may have emotional scars for life.
 

NLB2

Banned
I seem to be getting a lot of flak over this:
At least from my perspective, getting a girl pregnant is hardly the most scary thing about having sex. When that happens you're just down a couple hundred dollars for an abortion.

Now just ask yourself what is scarier to you, knocking up a girl or geting HIV? It would be far scarier to me to get HIV then to knock a girl up therefore "getting a girl pregnant is hardly the most scary thing about having sex."
 

Dilbert

Member
NLB2 said:
I seem to be getting a lot of flak over this:


Now just ask yourself what is scarier to you, knocking up a girl or geting HIV? It would be far scarier to me to get HIV then to knock a girl up therefore "getting a girl pregnant is hardly the most scary thing about having sex."
At least for me, the part I was giving you flak about was the casualness with which you seem to be treating abortion: "pretty gung ho when it comes to not caring about fetuses," "just down a couple of hundred dollars for an abortion." Regardless of your views on life and a woman's right to choose, I don't think that it's EVER a decision to be treated lightly, nor a decision which one survives without some impact.
 

NLB2

Banned
-jinx- said:
At least for me, the part I was giving you flak about was the casualness with which you seem to be treating abortion: "pretty gung ho when it comes to not caring about fetuses," "just down a couple of hundred dollars for an abortion." Regardless of your views on life and a woman's right to choose, I don't think that it's EVER a decision to be treated lightly, nor a decision which one survives without some impact.
OK, fair enough.
 

maharg

idspispopd
What's right is whatever two individuals decide is right for them. Simple as that.

Personally I think territorial obsession is lame. That includes "OMG SOMEONE ELSE HAD SEX WITH MY GIRLFRIEND." Well no shit sherlock, get over it and move on. I'll never understand why this bugs people so much.
 

Manics

Banned
Leguna said:
DISCLIAMER:

I'm also willing to "look past" a girl's sexual past if I'm really in love with her and I feel she's really in love with me. If I'm willing to settle for a girl that's slept with as much as 3 other guys before me, then that means I’d forgive myself if I slept with 3 other girls.


Do blowjobs count? Let's say the girl has only slept with 3 guys (meeting your criteria) but on the side she's sucked 20-30 cocks? Would you still be willing to marry her? I don't know if your system takes that into account.
 

Ristamar

Member
-jinx- said:
At least for me, the part I was giving you flak about was the casualness with which you seem to be treating abortion: "pretty gung ho when it comes to not caring about fetuses," "just down a couple of hundred dollars for an abortion." Regardless of your views on life and a woman's right to choose, I don't think that it's EVER a decision to be treated lightly, nor a decision which one survives without some impact.

I agree. My shock and disgust was more in response to the very nonchalant tone of the post/subject, not whether something trumps the possibility of pregancy as the primary concern when considering sex.
 
I'm not sure why I'm jumping in here but, here goes.

For the record I stand firmly with Jinx and Darscot in their views. Who gives a fuck how many dudes a chick slept with before you. Why is it a litmus test for her and not for you? Fuck that, its weak excuse.

You guys come off as buffons. In one thread you are salavating over scantily clad women in one thread but, in the other thread you are saying they can't fuck anyone. Pick a team. Either you go with the Nuns or the Whores.

I'll take Whores six ways from Sunday everytime.
 
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