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[DXB-KNIGHT]

Then what does Israel exactly wants, do they really want peace? Do they really want to be recognized by their surrounding and live in peace? What their doing to Gaza currently will become a Palestinian holocaust that Israel and their supporters will pay heavily in the future. If people read History they'll come to understand that spilling blood is a curse that comes back.
For me What I'm seeing here in this situation Zionism is nothing but an awful religious extremest like the one you tend to see from Muslim Extremist and other religions but painted with a shiny color of democracy and freedom.

Europeans immigrants are feeling the guilt to what they did to native Americans to this day, let's not repeat the mistakes of past. I'm addressing anyone that has a shred of humanity please support them even with a word.

 

[Dopus]

Then what does Israel exactly wants, do they really want peace? Do they really want to be recognized by their surrounding and live in peace? What their doing to Gaza currently will become a Palestinian holocaust that Israel and their supporters will pay heavily in the future. If people read History they'll come to understand that spilling blood is a curse that comes back.
For me What I'm seeing here in this situation Zionism is nothing but an awful religious extremest like the one you tend to see from Muslim Extremist and other religions but painted with a shiny color of democracy and freedom.

Europeans immigrants are feeling the guilt to what they did to native Americans to this day, let's not repeat the mistakes of past. I'm addressing anyone that has a shred of humanity please support them even with a word.

Israel wants to continue what it has been doing for decades, continue their settlement buildings and expand their borders. They do not want a Palestinian state if they can help it. That much is clear.

 

[nib95]

Well yes but I mean actual blue helmets who may fire if they are fired at.

They can't because of US vetos against UN resolutions that event attempt to pave the way towards such a thing.

 

[Costia]

Shifa was hit by a failed Qassam (home made short range rocket) launch.

Edit:
Its not the first time they hit their own facilities and people.
About a week ago they have hit a high voltage power line that was supplying power to Gaza, and then refused to ensure the safety of the engineers to repair it.
About 2 weeks ago they have hit Behtlehem and Hebron - Palestinian cities in the west bank.
They cant really aim and they dont care about it.

 

[Armoured Titan]

Edit - Wrong topic.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/29/gaza-power-plant-attacked_n_5629259.html

Reposting from the other thread.

 

[Zen]

And how would you discern a terrorist from a civilian?
Do they become terrorists when they pick up a gun?



Exactly, but this isn't just the IDF's fault. Hamas made all of the Palestinians a target.



Nothing wrong with me. I feel bad for the innocent people that are in the crossfire, but you should really understand that Hamas, and any other terrorist organizations, are training kids from 5 year olds to become terrorists.

I prefer that no one kills each other, but that's not happening. Hamas are going to kill any Israelis, Israelis are going to kill Hamas with innocent Palestinians being the victims. Understand that it's never going to be possible for the Israeli side to distinguish terrorist.

And you can stop it with the images. Some people here prefer not to see that stuff while having a discussion.

Hamas banned the practice and told faith leaders to teach tolerance.

The Palestinian militant organisation Hamas has called on children to refrain from futile attacks against Israelis.

The Palestinian militant organisation Hamas has called on children to refrain from futile attacks against Israelis.

Too many young lives lost at the fences of Israeli settlements would be a catastrophe for the future of the Palestinian struggle

Hamas statement

In an official statement, the organisation said that too many precious young lives were being lost.

Overnight, three teenage Palestinian boys were shot dead by Israeli security forces as they were trying to break into an Israeli settlement in the Gaza Strip.

The Hamas statement calls on Palestinian children to remember that their lives are precious, and should not be sacrificed.

"Too many young lives lost at the fences of Israeli settlements would be a catastrophe for the future of the Palestinian struggle," the statement said.

A Palestinian boy shows bullets he has found to his brother
Children should be taught their lives are precious, Hamas says
Hamas is calling on teachers and religious leaders to spread the message of restraint among young Palestinians.

The move comes after a number of recent unsuccessful attempts by Palestinian boys to infiltrate Israeli settlements.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1948502.stm

Just gonna offer my brief interpretation of this recent course of events because I feel they weren't the ones who did the provoking:

Before all this unfolded, Hamas was ready to hand over a great deal of control to Abbas and the PLO as a part of their agreement to join the Unity government. It wasn't in their best interest to begin hostilities. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...6eb3f4-eb4a-11e3-9f5c-9075d5508f0a_story.html)

This latest operation was set into motion because Israel blamed Hamas for the kidnapping of the three Israeli teens before any kind of formal investigation was done, and as Hamas denied involvement. (And as it turns out, they were telling the truth.)

Israel decided to pour into the West Bank and begin mass arresting anyone with affiliations to Hamas, among others. During the arrests, they also managed to kill two Palestinians.

http://maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=706367



This was the provocation, and is why they started lobbing rockets. Was it the right decision? Probably not, but it's difficult to expect them to grit their teeth and stand on the sidelines as hundreds of their affiliates and others are arrested indefinitely with neither proof nor due process. Unfortunately, it also gave Israel the perfect pretext to begin their attempt at breaking down the Unity government via Protective Edge.

Also consider Israeli policy of destroying the homes of anyone with any ties to hamas (this would presumably include homeowners with any relation to government workers) in the west bank.

 

[Elfforkusu]

Shifa was hit by a failed Qassam (home made short range rocket) launch.

Cite?

 

[Linkhero1]

Shifa was hit by a failed Qassam (home made short range rocket) launch.

Edit:
Its not the first time they hit their own facilities and people.
About a week ago they have hit a high voltage power line that was supplying power to Gaza, and then refused to ensure the safety of the engineers to repair it.
About 2 weeks ago they have hit Behtlehem and Hebron - Palestinian cities in the west bank.
They cant really aim and they dont care about it.

I would love a non-IDF source on this. Thanks

 

[m_shortpants]

Shifa was hit by a failed Qassam (home made short range rocket) launch.

Edit:
Its not the first time they hit their own facilities and people.
About a week ago they have hit a high voltage power line that was supplying power to Gaza, and then refused to ensure the safety of the engineers to repair it.
About 2 weeks ago they have hit Behtlehem and Hebron - Palestinian cities in the west bank.
They cant really aim and they dont care about it.

Didn't NBC confirm it was an Israeli drone? Or was that the playground bombing?

 

[Costia]

I would love a non-IDF source on this. Thanks

Benny Gantz - the IDF general claims he has images showing the rocket trails, but so far none were published.
Hopefully they will be published after the war when they are no longer classified. I don't think it will get published anytime soon since it might reveal IDF forces or survailance camera locations.
I don't think the NBC guy is lying. There are a lot of surveillance drones currently over Gaza. If you watch any gaza livestream you will hear an almost constant hum. He probably saw one fly by before the hospital got hit and thought the 2 events were related.

TLDR; I have no citations except the IDF.

 

[squidyj]

Benny Gantz - the IDF general claims he has images showing the rocket trails, but so far none were published.
Hopefully they will be published after the war when they are no longer classified. I don't think it will get published anytime soon since it might reveal IDF forces or survailance camera locations.
I don't think the NBC guy is lying. There are a lot of surveillance drones currently over Gaza. If you watch any gaza livestream you will hear an almost constant hum. He probably saw one fly by before the hospital got hit and thought the 2 events were related.

TLDR; I have no citations except the IDF.

happy hasbara everybody!

 

[bigboss370]

 

[Jag]

I would love a non-IDF source on this. Thanks

From the other thread:

Italian reporter posts on Twitter the Shifa/Shati attack was due to Hamas rockets.

https://twitter.com/gabrielebarbati/status/494131918732926976
https://twitter.com/gabrielebarbati/status/494132184257527808

This is the best part:

Out of #Gaza far from #Hamas retaliation:

ie: Hamas can't torture me for reporting the truth.

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

Israel needs to stop. I think we get the message now. Israel=strong Palestine= weak.

 

[BeerSnob]

You do realize that the Yemeni and Pakistani governments authorize U.S. operations on their soil, including drones, right? Drones are a fucked way of enacting COIN but it's still done with the consent of that state's executive apparatus.

 

[Jackpot]

You do realize that the Yemeni and Pakistani governments authorize U.S. operations on their soil, including drones, right? Drones are a fucked way of enacting COIN but it's still done with the consent of that state's executive apparatus.

Except when the Yemeni government illegally lied to its public and opposition parties claiming it was its own air strikes until Wikileaks proved otherwise.

 

[BeerSnob]

Except when the Yemeni government illegally lied to its public and opposition parties claiming it was its own air strikes until Wikileaks proved otherwise.

Thus with the consent of the state's government. Pakistan also randomly picks drone attack and says they did it, Kayani admitted to it at one point I think.

 

[Toxi]

From the other thread:

Italian reporter posts on Twitter the Shifa/Shati attack was due to Hamas rockets.

https://twitter.com/gabrielebarbati/status/494131918732926976
https://twitter.com/gabrielebarbati/status/494132184257527808

This is the best part:

ie: Hamas can't torture me for reporting the truth.

Is there a reason why he didn't say this yesterday? EDIT: Ah, missed that.

So basically it's one reporter's account against another's.

 

[sindbadthesailor]

Don't know if this was already posted

Gaza Crisis: Far-Right Israelis Chant 'There's No School Tomorrow, There's No Children Left in Gaza!'

Right-wing Israelis have been filmed chanting "There's no children left there [in Gaza]" and "Gaza is a cemetery" in a seeming celebration of their military's offensive on the territory during a Tel Aviv demonstration.

The protesters are seen waving Israeli flags and singing football-like chants to voice their anger at Arab members of the Knesset (MK) Ahmad Tibi and Haneen Zoabi, and the people of Gaza.

In the translated captions on the video below, the demonstrators are heard shouting: "There's no school tomorrow, there are no chidren left there [in Gaza]".

This chant came after the group threatened Israeli Arab MK Ahmad Tibi by chanting "Ahmad Tibi, I wanted you to know, the next child to get hit is yours" and "I hate Tibi the terrorist".