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Shin Megami Tensei Community Thread: Be Your True Demon
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Maybe that's what Deviliser is
Shin Megami Tensei IV Maniax*
* PS4/WiiU version with Kaneko's comeback, balancing issues fixed and a new central dungeon.
40detectives
Neo Member
That is something I wanted to know:
How long has been Kaneko absent from the series? And why?
I'm hoping for SMT5. Maybe Deviliser if that's actually an SMT game.
Barrylocke
Member
I can't think of anything Kaneko's done since Strange Journey's character art, which was over 5 years ago.
CrimsonFist
Member
He did some demon designs for a mobile game called Devil Hunter Zero in 2011:
http://www.siliconera.com/2011/01/2...al-shin-megami-tensei-game-devil-hunter-zero/
He worked on scenario drafts in Shin Megami Tensei IV but he hasn't had a major art role since Strange Journey.
The thing is though, unlike Soejima, he has been Atlus's main Demon designer this whole time, and now that we're getting classic demon designs back in Persona 5, he might make a return to his art role.
In terms of a new game, I would love if they could get Aya Nishitani to work on the story for game (Megami Tensei III, anybody?) .
It would be interesting to see him write directly for a game instead of going from book to game.
NeonZ
Member
Technically they never left. Even SMTIV only replaced a few of his modern designs(Archangels, Lucifer, Lilith) every other one only replaced very old ones (pre-art style change Kaneko art) or were new demons altogether, while most demons were still Kaneko.
I actually wish they hired new artists to redesign or design new demons for a new game with an unified art style, rather than just a few random "guest designs" like in SMTIV, while keeping most of Kaneko's designs around. I know this would be blasphemy to most of the fanbase though, but I was pretty disappointed by the low number of new demon designs in SMTIV - although I think everyone agrees that the inconsistent art style wasn't a good idea.
Barrylocke
Member
I agree. As much as I love Kaneko's art, I wouldn't mind a new artist taking the reins if they do it consistently. I was worried when I heard Meguro wasn't going to do the music in SMT4 and that turned out very nicely (though it was silly in retrospect since the older Megaten games weren't Meguro done and still had notable tracks)
RadioJoNES64
Banned
I'm at the final boss of nocturne, and I was wondering if any of the other games play faster than nocturne. It feels like the whole game was just so slow in terms of gameplay speed.
Naturally, since the other mainline games are 2D and in first person, they spend a lot less time on fluff animation, and therefore are much faster in battles. Play Soul Hackers or SMT4 if you want a game with particularly fast battles.
Tizoc
Member
Can't you speed up the combat in SMT3? I think there's a button that'll let you skip much of the animation, unless I'm thinking of auto battle?
Barrylocke
Member
I know there's a button that lets you rush the enemies with physicals, but that's mostly for grinding and trash mobs. I don't remember Nocturne having an auto mode like SMT1 and 2 do (repeating the last action).
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
So I just started playing through IV after getting it on the sale, and I keep waiting for this supposed difficulty spike at the start which I keep hearing about, but I've just
and I haven't really found it hard at all really. Is there a boss or something that will stop me at my tracks or did I pass it?
met the black samurai
Very, very soon.
Dragon1893
Member
Oh, you'll know it when you get there.
RadioJoNES64
Banned
Yeah I yes being in 3D makes it rather slow, thanks.
Prepare yourself
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Ooof, yeah, guess I've reached that point.
Wasn't that bad though honestly.
Wasn't that bad though honestly.
Ooof, yeah, guess I've reached that point.
Wasn't that bad though honestly.
To be honest, what you heard is way overstated. The game isn't hard or anything in the beginning and the fact that you can save anywhere makes it even easier.
With that said, the game has a lot of balancing issues and it will become a lot easier later which is a shame.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Honestly though
was way worse until I learnt that I should just Zan spam.
medusa
Barrylocke
Member
I feel like most of the complaints were from people who are playing Shin Megami Tensei for the first time. It's kind of like to be complaining about Matador in Nocturne. It's hard in the sense that it's teaching you a rough lesson about how you need to set up your party in Shin Megami Tensei. Of course there is something to be said about the game not giving you a large amount of abilities at the start.
I don't think it's that unreasonable - as you said, no grinding is required, and most first-time players easily make it past him once they know what to do. Placing him that early may not have been a mistake, but the correct strategy should perhaps have been made more obvious ingame.
Is this the place where I can complain about Soul Hackers being mean to me? I thought I was doing more or less well and then some random enemies start casting Hama until they kill the healer because it protected the hero and when I finish them for some reason three more powerful than normal demons appear from nowhere and destroy me. I suppose I have to carry more healing demons, right?
SatelliteOfLove
Member
"I can't hit him, I need speed"
Yeah I think we're in agreement then. He was designed just fine, I think placing him that early was a mistake, as you said.
cj_iwakura
Member
Is this the place where I can complain about Soul Hackers being mean to me? I thought I was doing more or less well and then some random enemies start casting Hama until they kill the healer because it protected the hero and when I finish them for some reason three more powerful than normal demons appear from nowhere and destroy me. I suppose I have to carry more healing demons, right?
Or buffers. Buffing is pretty broken in SH.
I think "agility/accuracy maximized" made the necessary strategy relatively obvious. It just made for a very painful lesson once you saw those words.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Goddamn,
really makes getting through the earlier boring parts worthwhile.
Tokyo
Yeah i'd really like a new DDS style RPG.
Dragon1893
Member
I'd say it's completely broken. Still love the game to bits though.
Yeah, good stuff. Map is a bit of a pain to navigate though.
I still need to get the dlc and talking about SH makes me want to replay. God, I love this franchise so much.
I'm still convinced that Atlus made the first part as boring on purpose to build that one magic and epic moment.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
The map is kind of a pain in the ass. Kinda hard to tell which part is accessible and which is not.
They also don't really give you much of a direction but I'm ok with that for now.
They also don't really give you much of a direction but I'm ok with that for now.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Gotta say, while I don't mind the lack of direction in the main quest since I don't mind exploring a bit, the lack of direction in some sub quests really erk me.
I was doing a sub and have no idea where to fucking go and stumbled upon the main quest location. Then I went "fuck it" and just abandoned the sub quest.
Also goddamnit why is a character as cool-looking as
I was doing a sub and have no idea where to fucking go and stumbled upon the main quest location. Then I went "fuck it" and just abandoned the sub quest.
Also goddamnit why is a character as cool-looking as
Kaga die with so little impact to the story.
Gotta say, while I don't mind the lack of direction in the main quest since I don't mind exploring a bit, the lack of direction in some sub quests really erk me.
I was doing a sub and have no idea where to fucking go and stumbled upon the main quest location. Then I went "fuck it" and just abandoned the sub quest.
Also goddamnit why is a character as cool-looking asKaga die with so little impact to the story.
Subs get better later, IMO. And yeah, the spoiler was a disappointment for me as well.
40detectives
Neo Member
Woa Soul Hackers was my last SMT game finished, and gameplay wise I loved it (not so much plot wise). I don't remember it pretty much annoying in spamming enemy replacements though.
more great interview translations, bless you tumblr people, bless you
http://dijeh.tumblr.com/post/112061547953/with-the-occasion-of-shin-megami-tensei-iii
Kaneko will always be my hero but Okada, you are also missed.
http://dijeh.tumblr.com/post/112061547953/with-the-occasion-of-shin-megami-tensei-iii
Kaneko will always be my hero but Okada, you are also missed.
40detectives
Neo Member
I'm laughting so hard right now
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Dragon1893
Member
Sorry but I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Barrylocke
Member
Likewise, I'm surprised about that too. It just seems natural to build off of concept art. I wonder if/when Kaneko decided to work more off of concept art, especially since many demons have different designs later in the series, especially in Devil Summoner, which seems to be the other major source of the demon designs that we know and love along with SMT 1 and 2.
RecursiveFault
Banned
That's really interesting. I can definitely see why he'd do it, but it's a cool change from many artists' process of degrading a fleshed out design idea to work as a sprite.
Their outlooks in designing games are so interesting.
I miss Okada so much. At least Kaneko still lives through his old design.
Dragon1893
Member
I really appreciate these translations, thanks. Fascinating stuff.
Hey y'all, I've been playing through Soul Hackers lately. Just finished up the
dungeon.
The game had been a pretty big cakewalk until this dungeon, where the random encounters gave me my first Game Over and then continued to do so (the usual OHKO shenanigans) and the boss was real crazy and took a lot out of me.
My question is, what's the deal? Did I get underleveled (I'm 47, for reference) at some point? Is this just a somewhat arbitrary spike in difficulty that will level out in the next short while, or should I settle in for the long haul and expect the game to keep up at this rate?
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The game had been a pretty big cakewalk until this dungeon, where the random encounters gave me my first Game Over and then continued to do so (the usual OHKO shenanigans) and the boss was real crazy and took a lot out of me.
My question is, what's the deal? Did I get underleveled (I'm 47, for reference) at some point? Is this just a somewhat arbitrary spike in difficulty that will level out in the next short while, or should I settle in for the long haul and expect the game to keep up at this rate?
cj_iwakura
Member
It starts to get fairly difficult, but if you exploit buffs/debuffs and such, you should get by fine. Try to have a custom demon that preempts the enemies so you can buff before they attack. It's more useful than one with attack or healing magic. Ideally Rakukaja/Sukukaja/Tarukaja. (not necessarily in that order)
I remember being stuck on that boss for a couple hours but I was playing on hard. His damage is crazy.
I think the biggest problem is that he does tons of magic damage and at this point in the game (unless you're overlevelled) you don't have access to any half decent magic resistant demons.