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Shin Megami Tensei IV |OT| The Dark Souls of Persona
- Thread starter Volcynika
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Shortly after arriving in Tokyo I got completely lost, and by the time I figured out what I was supposed to be doing I was several levels overleveled.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Anyone got any tips for *endgame spoilers* spawning
Red Rider? I saved just outside the door to the lift and run into the room, but keep getting the "No one Here" message.
I know it comes down to rolling the dice and hoping the RNG gods smile upon you, but I was hoping to find a way of making each run slightly less painful. For instance, is there any way to soft-reset the game without having to do it at the OS level? Is there a faster method of rolling the RNG again by (say) using an item or having a random encounter?
I know it comes down to rolling the dice and hoping the RNG gods smile upon you, but I was hoping to find a way of making each run slightly less painful. For instance, is there any way to soft-reset the game without having to do it at the OS level? Is there a faster method of rolling the RNG again by (say) using an item or having a random encounter?
I feel your pain. I was actually shocked, I got the neutral path my first time without trying...then I get hit with the side quests requirements and shelved the game for a while. One of my favorite games of the year but I was just not up for that.
I stopped after locking on Neutral Route.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
I thought I was closing on on 100hr when I read this post, so I checked and it turns out I blew past that 26hr ago.
What have I become D:
If it comforts you, I already exceeded 500 hours and I'm in my 9th run right now.
And I didn't count the time I spent on the Japanese version as well.
masterlobo
Banned
So...still no word on OST?
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
I finally triggered the Red Rider fight after hours of RNG resetting... Only to have the f*cker kill my party in two turns.
*sigh*
*sigh*
The real SMT4 starts here.
I don't recommend starting with Red Rider since he is one of the hardest Fiends if not the hardest period.
What works against 90% of the bosses will inevitably fail here. You need to take your demons to the next level to be able to win against that bastard.
I recommend a team of physical/hybrid demons because that's the only way to survive. Magic demons are too weak to withstand his attacks.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
RNGesus.
That information would have been so useful yesterday. Across the whole Internet, I can only find info on how to trigger him rather than how to beat him, so I went in completely unprepared.
What kind of a sadistic freak puts that kind of pain behind a 1/256 random trigger?
I hear you. It's a pain to make him spawn, but he isn't the worst in that regard.
Actually the 1/256 thing isn't new, it was in SMT1,2 and if... Only Nocturne didn't have that. Even Strange Journey had it in some level (it's higher than 1/256 IIRC).
Here is a general recommendations for that fight:
- Having members in your team who null/reflect/drain his favorite attacks (fire and physical here) will make him spam almighty attacks on you (Antichthon, one of the most dangerous ones).
You don't want that to happen, so it's better to just have the lowest resist level.
- High agility and Draconic Reaction work well here. He will miss even with Antichthon if you are evasive enough making him loose press turns.
- Avoid using demons with less than 900 HP
- Have a good reserve of Dekunda stones or a demon with Dekunda because you will need to undo his debuff almost every turn.
- Pray he doesn't cast Antichthon more than twice in the same turn, because if he does, Game Over.
Blue Submarine No. 6
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I'm late to this party (as usual) and just playing my first run-through now... I started it on American release but put it down after about 4 hours and didn't come back to it until just last week... Now I'm 25 hours in and hooked...
I have a Q re: the Medusa Special Fusion that I thought maybe could be answered here -
I have a Q re: the Medusa Special Fusion that I thought maybe could be answered here -
I killed Medusa hours back, but she managed to kill my MC with her last attack (my demons finished her off)... Now, digging around in special fusions, I notice she's still greyed out with "Femme ?????" listed as her name. Have I lost my chance to complete the requirements to get her special fusion? I understood I should get it when I defeat her, like with Fiend David, but this appears not to be the case.
yeah, happened to me around lvl 50 too
buddha0991
Member
zero shift
Banned
I really hate how you can't hold down a button combination in-game to return to the title screen like Fire Emblem.
I totally agree with this, especially with how easy it is to have things go real bad real fast. I have been working on a boss for the last 30 minutes (wiping when she is almost dead to an unlucky smirk, yay!) or so and having to fast forward though Charon's spiel every time is annoying. I had to reset in Fire Emblem far less than in this game but I still appreciated the option.
Young Magus
Junior Member
Its beautiful ;-;
zero shift
Banned
Wait you can fast forward through that part? Don't you have to see the twenty second intro of looking around at Hell first?
4 discs/112 tracks of glorious soundtrack.
Hell yeah, it will be mine. http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/789/789127/
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
Hold down X, or the down direction on the d-pad. Apparently it takes ~10s to get back to the game this way.
You have to die and res at least once to be able to fast forward through it. It was well worth the cost to me to be able to speed it up in the future.
masterlobo
Banned
I nearly did the same thing, but ended up just powering through it on a weekend we were snowed in. It really killed the pacing though, I was really getting into the story and everything and then... go do all the sidequests! And no we're not going to give you useful hints on how to do them, so good luck! That was easily my least favorite part of the game.
There are exactly 3 mosses you can pick up immediately. 1 in the first Stratum and 2 in the second Stratum.
You are probably missing the one in the Second Stratum where you need to crawl through a hole to find it.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
Renoir
Member
thank you for the tip. ill check it out.
If you've been keeping your luck up, sure, but if you're a magic or phys build you can just use a multi target spell/ability to clear the field instead. I usually let my demons handle the instakill spells.
Yeah I'm magic build. Plus I have Megidoplasma from a DLC demon on my MC, so he's kinda set for now in the Almighy department.
Sorry for double post, but I have a question. Mid game spoiler, regarding alignment and a major choice:
Here's the thing though, I'm currently leaning Law and I'm really not sure by how much. Should I go ahead and do the hunter prelims and get some extra Chaos points? And better yet, is there a cutoff point before you get alignment locked where you can't do any other side quests?
I'm about to choose Walter to go see Lilith.
I think he is talking about the almighty spell Judgement and not the insta death expel spell Judgement Light.
As for the spell itself, don't bother. It's basically a megido that does more damage against Neutral demons and costs more MP.
Try to be Neutral before going to Camp Ichigaya and hope for the best.
Blue Submarine No. 6
Member
Just hit level 31 yesterday and ran around to recruit all the Jacks again so I could fuse-me-up Jaki Black Frost - muha-ha-ha-ha-ha, I feel so fucking badass! Gotta try
again now...
that prick Chernobog
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
I finished all the Neutral missions and since I didn't want to spend hours trying to spawn fiends, decided to find out what would happen if I leveled up a Lham Daerg all the way to max with all the demon enhance apps active.
The result was this:
I put Draconic Reaction, Repel Ice, High Gun Plemora, Titanomachea, Riot Gun, Heaven's Bow, Judgement (morphed from Occult Flash - wanted a magic attack to complement the others) and Charge on this bad boy.
Thinking though, that were I to make another, I might swap out one or both of the secondary attacks for Life/Mana Surge or a cheap magic move like Thunder Reign. What do you guys think?
The result was this:
I put Draconic Reaction, Repel Ice, High Gun Plemora, Titanomachea, Riot Gun, Heaven's Bow, Judgement (morphed from Occult Flash - wanted a magic attack to complement the others) and Charge on this bad boy.
Thinking though, that were I to make another, I might swap out one or both of the secondary attacks for Life/Mana Surge or a cheap magic move like Thunder Reign. What do you guys think?
Checked the Cynical man and I'm neutral! Huzzah. Now I've read that I should lean slightly chaotic. I'm using an FAQ for the choices from here on in. Question about some mandatory choices:
if you first pick to not press the button at those button pressing choices, do you avoid the points given by the pressing the button choice?
I finished all the Neutral missions and since I didn't want to spend hours trying to spawn fiends, decided to find out what would happen if I leveled up a Lham Daerg all the way to max with all the demon enhance apps active.
The result was this:
I put Draconic Reaction, Repel Ice, High Gun Plemora, Titanomachea, Riot Gun, Heaven's Bow, Judgement (morphed from Occult Flash - wanted a magic attack to complement the others) and Charge on this bad boy.
Thinking though, that were I to make another, I might swap out one or both of the secondary attacks for Life/Mana Surge or a cheap magic move like Thunder Reign. What do you guys think?
You need to swap 2 skills for Life Surge and Enduring Souls. These 2 skills are mandatory for every demon who doesn't have a lot of HP.
Also, it's better to focus on 1 or 2 types of attacks to be more efficient.
I did that with some of my demons to see the result.
While Leanan Sidhe isn't suited for bosses, she is very useful to clean up the fields.
Nata Taishi is OP. He is one of the demons I used to kill the Fiends in hard mode (including Red Rider) and the 2 others, even if I still don't know what to do with them, they are making a slow but steady progress.
Nowadays I rarely put Antichton on my demons anymore other than for show because I figured out that it's almost a crappy skill since all the relevant bosses cancel the debuff beyond -2 and it may miss unlike Debilitate. Not to mention it costs a lot of MP.
Nope. It doesn't change anything. It's one of these inevitable choices where you don't have any other option.
This is exactly what I did and I haven't finished the game yet because of it. Hopefully I'll get back to it sooner than later.
Sweeeeet. Chances are high that I will preorder this. I've never really imported stuff before, is there any particular reason to pick one of those three services over the other two?
cj_iwakura
Member
I wonder if Play-Asia will get it. What's CD Japan like? Seems to have the best price.
Also, http://www.siliconera.com/2014/01/18/will-always-need-shin-megami-tensei/
best article I've read on Siliconera in a really, really long time.
Also, http://www.siliconera.com/2014/01/18/will-always-need-shin-megami-tensei/
best article I've read on Siliconera in a really, really long time.