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[CorvoSol]

Wow after escaping

Spoiler

Monochrome Forest

the game REALLY drops the ball on telling you what to do, where to go, and basically keeping anything resembling pacing up. This is some Dragon Quest level dragging shit out. "Do quests or we won't let you end the game."

By the way, I give this game a lot of shit but I want you all to know I still like it a lot.

 

[spiritfox]

Wow after escaping

Spoiler

Monochrome Forest

the game REALLY drops the ball on telling you what to do, where to go, and basically keeping anything resembling pacing up. This is some Dragon Quest level dragging shit out. "Do quests or we won't let you end the game."

By the way, I give this game a lot of shit but I want you all to know I still like it a lot.

Only neutral has the additional grind. The other routes are more straightforward.

 

[Quote]

Game is now ruined forever. *Tosses 3DS*

Black Samurai is pleased.

 

[Gazoinks]

Black Samurai is pleased.

Strange Journey is ruined too.

 

[CorvoSol]

Only neutral has the additional grind. The other routes are more straightforward.

Every time I think I've beat this game it throws another hurdle, haha.

 

[TurnipFritters]

Every time I think I've beat this game it throws another hurdle, haha.

Yeah, I mean, the "go do a bunch of sidequests" thing is a super crummy way of padding out the game.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Black Samurai is pleased.

I always see a Cyberman, so I'm good

 

[Majestad]

Still no miiverse community. Fuck.

I want to replay this before Bravely Default comes out!

 

[Gazoinks]

Still no miiverse community. Fuck.

I want to replay this before Bravely Default comes out!

I'd be happy even if they just added a general Atlus or SMT community. I want to take pictures of all my Atlus games!

 

[Majestad]

I wanna draw Jack Frosts. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Protag]

Yo is the MAG mechanic in Strange Journey? Fucking stupid system, really dont like it, i have to shelve soul hackers for now bc there are other things i want to play.

 

[Soulhouf]

Yo is the MAG mechanic in Strange Journey? Fucking stupid system, really dont like it, i have to shelve soul hackers for now bc there are other things i want to play.

Nope.
Strange Journey is a modern megaten.
But be careful, it's a pure dungeon crawler. So if you aren't into that style of games, you won't probably like it.

 

[isual]

can you leave a save file in your 3dsxl instead of the game cartridge ?

 

[Gazoinks]

Soul Hackers was the last Megaten with MAG, wasn't it?

Also, mechanics question: Do elemental bullets still count as gun damage for enemy weaknesses or are they purely magic?

 

[Soulhouf]

Soul Hackers was the last Megaten with MAG, wasn't it?

I didn't play Nine but I'm tempted to say yes.

Also, mechanics question: Do elemental bullets still count as gun damage for enemy weaknesses or are they purely magic?

The damage is calculated with the dex stat but it's still elemental damage that hits elemental weaknesses.

BTW if your are building your MC as dex based, I recommend you get the skill Desperate Hits aka the strongest skill in the game later on. It does almighty damage based on dex which means you still do critical hits with it and gain press turns whatever the enemy's resistance.

People say magic builds are stronger than physical ones but that skill alone proves them wrong.

 

[Protag]

Nope.
Strange Journey is a modern megaten.
But be careful, it's a pure dungeon crawler. So if you aren't into that style of games, you won't probably like it.

I know, I have grown to like FPS dungeon crawling, MAG is so limiting, and thats what i dont like.

 

[cj_iwakura]

Soul Hackers was the last Megaten with MAG, wasn't it?

Technically Imagine was.

 

[CorvoSol]

Uuuuuuuuuugh these side quests uuuuuuuuuugh.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Yeah, I mean, the "go do a bunch of sidequests" thing is a super crummy way of padding out the game.

It's funny cuz it was what most of us were shooting for.

I know, I have grown to like FPS dungeon crawling, MAG is so limiting, and thats what i dont like.

Are you sitting down? Get ready...

You don't need 4 demons 24/7 in SH. Yes!

Other than that, Restriction breeds Strength.

 

[Venfayth]

What apps should I focus on getting? I'm still near the beginning of the game, about level 14, I just unlocked the first terminal. I have 40 app points right now and could get anything, but I'm not sure what to focus on.

 

[spiritfox]

What apps should I focus on getting? I'm still near the beginning of the game, about level 14, I just unlocked the first terminal. I have 40 app points right now and could get anything, but I'm not sure what to focus on.

The extra skill slots for you and your demons are the most important apps in the game.

 

[Gazoinks]

What apps should I focus on getting? I'm still near the beginning of the game, about level 14, I just unlocked the first terminal. I have 40 app points right now and could get anything, but I'm not sure what to focus on.

Definitely the extra skills slots. There's no pain like having to choose between two equally good skills because you only have room for one.

 

[CorvoSol]

The app that lets you recover MP as you walk is indispensable, especially since it unlocks the app that does that for your demons.

 

[Gazoinks]

The app that lets you recover MP as you walk is indispensable, especially since it unlocks the app that does that for your demons.

Oh yeah, I need to grab that one. I'm too impatient to save up that many App points.

 

[CorvoSol]

Oh yeah, I need to grab that one. I'm too impatient to save up that many App points.

Dang thing has saved my life so many times.

 

[Gazoinks]

Dang thing has saved my life so many times.

I'm a magic build, even. MP would be nice, especially because of how pricey Chakra Drops tend to be.

 

[CorvoSol]

So I have decided that Flynn and Isabeau are canon, but Nozumi is the secret best girl. Mostly becausre the game has abandioned me to make up the plot for myself now, and it is just Flynn and two ladies taking tasteful snapshots of the apoxcalyptic hellscape.

Also this game feels like survival horror rpg. Which is neat.

 

[RDreamer]

How the hell do you beat this Dance of the Dead quest. Wow this is terribly luck based. I left it alone after getting slaughtered and came back and now it feels even harder. If the horde does blight I'm proper fuckked. Then with the boss he's killed 3 of my Demons right off the bat 3 times in a fucking row with mamudo.

Edit: got incredibly lucky and changed strategy a bit and got it.

 

[Soulhouf]

This guy is awesome

It actually fascinates me how they made a unique speech like this for a random and easily missed demon. This is one of the small details I love about this game.

 

[CorvoSol]

FINALLY FINISHED THESE GOSH DARN QUESTS FINALLY.

 

[Bladenic]

I finally picked up the game again, I haven't had time to play for a while. In Ikebukuro (spelling probably) and loving it. I've been using about the same 3 demons for a while and they've still been viable, but I think I'm gonna upgrade soon. I'm level 29, almost 30, and magic build.

My main fault right now is electric spells. I have like one weak demon with Zio, no Zionga, and still only Zio on my MC. So I need to get on that.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Okay, I'm on my second playthrough of the game, having just unlocked the neutral ending, and the story still makes no sense to me. I get the feeling there's a bit of lore or background information I'm missing. I have some questions:

Spoiler

Are Haunted, Blasted and Infernal Tokyo all in Mikado's past or are the Akira/Aquila Shinjuku/Shene Duque connection, mystic script/hiragana/kanji connections just a result of some really coincidental repeating cycle?

What I'm asking is whether some time travel shenanigans happen when you pass through the door Minotaur guards in Naraku and when you activate the Yamato Perpetual Reactor. Are these the pasts of parallel dimensions? Is Blasted Tokyo the true past of Mikado?

Mikado people seem to have folk memories of technology for instance, and the circular lakes do look suspiciously like blast craters. The other thing is that the firmament seems to only have appeared over Haunted Tokyo a decade or two ago, which begs the question of where the door in Naraku even led to before that. Is that doorway just another way of getting to the Expanse? If so, what's with the time travel?

Also, I got the neutral ending and was like Stephen? Who's Stephen? You mean that one guy who appeared for like a minute when you lifted that first domain in Naraku and was never heard from again?

Does anyone have a cliff notes version of the stuff I'm not getting?

Also, the demon designs are fantastically imaginative, but Master Therion looks like a giant malformed baby crawling around with a bib on. I see him and think "Awww, who's a widdle monstrous manifestation of the Antichrist? You are! You are!"

 

[Caladrius]

Okay, I'm on my second playthrough of the game, having just unlocked the neutral ending, and the story still makes no sense to me. I get the feeling there's a bit of lore or background information I'm missing. I have some questions:

Spoiler

Are Haunted, Blasted and Infernal Tokyo all in Mikado's past or are the Akira/Aquila Shinjuku/Shene Duque connection, mystic script/hiragana/kanji connections just a result of some really coincidental repeating cycle?

What I'm asking is whether some time travel shenanigans happen when you pass through the door Minotaur guards in Naraku and when you activate the Yamato Perpetual Reactor. Are these the pasts of parallel dimensions? Is Blasted Tokyo the true past of Mikado?

Mikado people seem to have folk memories of technology for instance, and the circular lakes do look suspiciously like blast craters. The other thing is that the firmament seems to only have appeared over Haunted Tokyo a decade or two ago, which begs the question of where the door in Naraku even led to before that. Is that doorway just another way of getting to the Expanse? If so, what's with the time travel?

Also, I got the neutral ending and was like Stephen? Who's Stephen? You mean that one guy who appeared for like a minute when you lifted that first domain in Naraku and was never heard from again?

Does anyone have a cliff notes version of the stuff I'm not getting?

Spoiler

No time travel actually occurs in the game, save for a DLC quest where you challenge the patron of the neutral faction.

Tokyo is being subjected to Time dilation. The world outside the dome has existed for 1500 years, but the people of Tokyo have only experienced 10 years or so. I don't remember the explanation for that though.

The various versions of Tokyo you go through are alternate realities where a particular faction won in the backstory (Nuclear war threatening to annihilate humanity 1500 years in the past).

The reality you start the game in came about because the neutral faction won and planted the firmament over Tokyo to prevent its destruction, which eventually becomes Mikado. The crater lakes are just a side-effect of the nuclear detonations on the dome (don't think about how that works too hard) and the heavenly host were the ones who escorted people to the surface in order to create a new kingdom in God's name.

Blasted was what happened after Law's victory, in which the nuclear warheads decimated Tokyo to pave the way for a new human race, as opposed to a new society like with Mikado in the neutral timeline.

Infernal was after the demons succeeded in escaping to the human world and making it their own.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Spoiler

No time travel actually occurs in the game, save for a DLC quest where you challenge the patron of the neutral faction.

Tokyo is being subjected to Time dilation. The world outside the dome has existed for 1500 years, but the people of Tokyo have only experienced 10 years or so. I don't remember the explanation for that though.

The various versions of Tokyo you go through are alternate realities where a particular faction won in the backstory (Nuclear war threatening to annihilate humanity 1500 years in the past).

The reality you start the game in came about because the neutral faction won and planted the firmament over Tokyo to prevent its destruction, which eventually becomes Mikado. The crater lakes are just a side-effect of the nuclear detonations on the dome (don't think about how that works too hard) and the heavenly host were the ones who escorted people to the surface in order to create a new kingdom in God's name.

Blasted was what happened after Law's victory, in which the nuclear warheads decimated Tokyo to pave the way for a new human race, as opposed to a new society like with Mikado in the neutral timeline.

Infernal was after the demons succeeded in escaping to the human world and making it their own.

That makes a lot of sense explained that way, actually. Thanks!

 

[cj_iwakura]

That makes a lot of sense explained that way, actually. Thanks!

I like to to think that

Spoiler

the Blasted Timeline is a precursor to the Thousand Year Kingdom in SMTII.

 

[Bladenic]

I have a demon with 190 MP and Tetrakarn. So good. I'm headed to Shibuya now, almost done with how far the guide goes. Haven't relied on it too much outside of a few boss weaknesses.

Oh and Black Frost sucks in this game. Physical based and low MP. Bleh. No Agidyne or Bufudyne either. Oh well, I'm almost level 37 and it looks like King Frost is a special fusion at that level.

 

[Soulhouf]

I have a demon with 190 MP and Tetrakarn. So good. I'm headed to Shibuya now, almost done with how far the guide goes. Haven't relied on it too much outside of a few boss weaknesses.

Oh and Black Frost sucks in this game. Physical based and low MP. Bleh. No Agidyne or Bufudyne either. Oh well, I'm almost level 37 and it looks like King Frost is a special fusion at that level.

Black Frost is one of the strongest demons in the game because of his high HP and no weaknesses. He is even a very good demon to fight the Fiends.

Try this build:
- Mortal Jihad
- High Phys Pleroma
- Phys Pleroma
- Draconic Reaction
- Bloody Glee
- Charge
- Life Surge
- Enduring Soul

That thing will brutally obliterate everything.
If you are crazy, you can even make that stronger if you change him to a gun build with Desperate Hit and Riot gun (the 2 strongest attacks in the game), but it's harder to do since you need to go through Fusion Lite and you will need to sacrifice Draconic Reaction and Bloody Glee for the additional attack skill and Mana Surge.

Always remember that Physical/Gun build demons >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Magic ones who generally have shitty amount of HP and rely on weaknesses to deal damage.

 

[Bladenic]

Cold World is a magic based attack I assume? Would it be worth it to inherit to my magic based MC over say Bufudyne? And I fully expected King Frost to be a magic based guy but nope physical again. Ugh.

 

[Caladrius]

Cold World is a magic based attack I assume? Would it be worth it to inherit to my magic based MC over say Bufudyne? And I fully expected King Frost to be a magic based guy but nope physical again. Ugh.

Cold world is not very good. The moment you get Bufudyne or Mabufudyne, replace it.

 

[Bladenic]

Cold world is not very good. The moment you get Bufudyne or Mabufudyne, replace it.

Cool, thanks.

I'm currently working on getting Medusa, and I think I'm gonna have to hold on to my demons for a while before I fuse her. They're all capable of learning a type of Null skill, so it would be cool to get those on her. Or is she not worth that trouble?

 

[rybrad]

Picked this up on the Atlus sale a couple weeks ago and finally got around to starting it this weekend. I am completely new to the series so I am a bit confused on a couple things. If any of you vets could help me out, I would appreciate it!.

For scouting demons, is there something I am missing? Assuming I answer their question right (which I am not great at), the giving them stuff part seems to not go well. The most success I have had regularly is refusing until they want something cheap, complying and then ending talks. Is there a way to make getting the demons more of a "sure" thing?

For fusing demons, how the do I know what is actually going to be good? Should I constantly be fusing to the newest demons available when I level up? I generally fuse whenever I can with the priority going to carrying over group buffs/debuffs. I have been overwriting my demons in the book before I fuse them too but they cost waaaaaaaaay too much to re-summon so I end up having to catch and re-level to use them for fusion again, am I doing this wrong? I tried looking around for info on this but it seems I can't find much that is beginner friendly.

I did see a thing on evolution when I was looking around but it looked like the only demon that evolved a lot was the Angel. Should I keep my Angel and just let it evolve instead of fusing it? The demons feel like they take forever to level up so waiting for it to level and evolve seems like it might not be great.

Sorry for the really basic questions, I just can't find much in the way of resources for completely new players. I really like the game (and difficulty) so far and have a handle on everything else for the most part, just confused with all the demon stuff.

 

[Gazoinks]

Picked this up on the Atlus sale a couple weeks ago and finally got around to starting it this weekend. I am completely new to the series so I am a bit confused on a couple things. If any of you vets could help me out, I would appreciate it!.

For scouting demons, is there something I am missing? Assuming I answer their question right (which I am not great at), the giving them stuff part seems to not go well. The most success I have had regularly is refusing until they want something cheap, complying and then ending talks. Is there a way to make getting the demons more of a "sure" thing?

For fusing demons, how the do I know what is actually going to be good? Should I constantly be fusing to the newest demons available when I level up? I generally fuse whenever I can with the priority going to carrying over group buffs/debuffs. I have been overwriting my demons in the book before I fuse them too but they cost waaaaaaaaay too much to re-summon so I end up having to catch and re-level to use them for fusion again, am I doing this wrong? I tried looking around for info on this but it seems I can't find much that is beginner friendly.

I did see a thing on evolution when I was looking around but it looked like the only demon that evolved a lot was the Angel. Should I keep my Angel and just let it evolve instead of fusing it? The demons feel like they take forever to level up so waiting for it to level and evolve seems like it might not be great.

Sorry for the really basic questions, I just can't find much in the way of resources for completely new players. I really like the game (and difficulty) so far and have a handle on everything else for the most part, just confused with all the demon stuff.

1. Scouting is the kind of thing you just get a feel for after a while. I find it often works to grant them three item requests and then end talks, cheating if one's too expensive. Just experiment and find what works for you.
2. Fuuuse fuse fuse. You always want to fuse into higher level demons, because you always want better demons. The main reason you wouldn't want to fuse one of your demons if it has a good skill selection that you won't be able to carry into the next demon because of limited skill slots. Other than that, you should keep fusing (paying attention to what's needed for your party make-up, of course). I personally haven't found much resummoning/recatching necessary unless I'm going for a special fusion.
3. I haven't done any evolution, but it doesn't really seem worth it.

 

[rybrad]

1. Scouting is the kind of thing you just get a feel for after a while. I find it often works to grant them three item requests and then end talks, cheating if one's too expensive. Just experiment and find what works for you.
2. Fuuuse fuse fuse. You always want to fuse into higher level demons, because you always want better demons. The main reason you wouldn't want to fuse one of your demons if it has a good skill selection that you won't be able to carry into the next demon because of limited skill slots. Other than that, you should keep fusing (paying attention to what's needed for your party make-up, of course). I personally haven't found much resummoning/recatching necessary unless I'm going for a special fusion.
3. I haven't done any evolution, but it doesn't really seem worth it.

Thanks for the helpful info! You did just remind me of another question though, are the special fusions significantly better? I am at the point I can make one but it costs over 6K Macca and I have about 200...

 

[Gazoinks]

Thanks for the helpful info! You did just remind me of another question though, are the special fusions significantly better? I am at the point I can make one but it costs over 6K Macca and I have about 200...

Hooonestly, I haven't been that impressed by them, although I did use Tam Lin for a while. My problem with the ones I've made thus far is that, while they're pretty good when you make them, I fuse constantly, which means they end up becoming obsolete within a couple of character levels. I'd say look at their skillset and see if they have anything useful you want.

I'm not an expert though, so I could be totally wrong.

 

[Soma]

Man, people weren't kidding about Minotaur. Dude's no joke.

I ALMOST got him at one point (down to where he's in the red) but Walter just HAD to go and use Agi, giving him a smirk as a result. :|

 

[Soulhouf]

Thanks for the helpful info! You did just remind me of another question though, are the special fusions significantly better? I am at the point I can make one but it costs over 6K Macca and I have about 200...

Sometimes they are better because many of them don't have weaknesses, which lets you focus on giving them more useful skills instead of wasting slots to fix their flaws.

 

[Gazoinks]

Man, people weren't kidding about Minotaur. Dude's no joke.

I ALMOST got him at one point (down to where he's in the red) but Walter just HAD to go and use Agi, giving him a smirk as a result. :|

Yeah, that guy gave me a toooon of trouble. I ended up barely skating through with one demon alive.

 

[Bladenic]

Evolution is pretty cool actually. I've had Archangel > Principality > Power who's about to evolve to Virtue who's like 4 levels higher than me. They've all served me well.

 

[Soma]

Well, Minotaur is finally down after like 6 tries thanks to fusing demons with Sukukaja and Tarukaja.

...and immediately after that I get two-shotted by a few Hua-Pos spamming Maragi in the next room.

Good thing I saved after the boss fight lol

 

[Jotamide]

I was waiting to start this for a while due to being a little burnt out on SMT after playing Soul Hakcers for 4 months. Today I decided to check this out quickly. 4 hours later and I've realized I've made a huge mistake, I want to play like all the time now. So good.