I have no faith in these people being converted via rational and reasonable means. The fact that they don't realise their idolatry is un-islamic isn't going to sink in if I tell them or if you tell them. The only solution is to outrage them into boredom. It's hard to maintain a hardline stance when the rest of the world clearly tells you to fuck off and won't pander to your 'outrage'.
SHOCKING NEWS: Tweets About Prophet Muhammad Spark Saudi Death Threats
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I have no faith in these people being converted via rational and reasonable means. The fact that they don't realise their idolatry is un-islamic isn't going to sink in if I tell them or if you tell them. The only solution is to outrage them into boredom. It's hard to maintain a hardline stance when the rest of the world clearly tells you to fuck off and won't pander to your 'outrage'.
fabricated backlash
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Nah, someone with actual humour and talent.
I didn't get it. Every day is draw a Muhammed day. No?
Monocle
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The same vein of idiotic hysteria that violent protesters mined during the international furor over Salman Rushdie's purportedly "blasphemous" novel, The Satanic Verses. Most of the people who called for the author's death under the pretense that he "offered offense to the prophet" never even read the book.
Religion + credulous morons + groupthink = trouble.
Any extreme ideology + credulous morons + group-think = trouble.
I'm sorry, but I think someone that has dedicated their life to studying their religion and is officially recognized as a leader amongst his peers understands his religion a bit more than you do.
Monocle
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Most extreme nonreligious ideologies don't rebrand ignorance and irrationality as virtues, nor do they tend to claim for themselves absolute and eternal truth whose foundation is the source and supreme overlord of all existence.
huh? A play on words so meaningless that it defies disbelief. How intellectually dishonest can you be?
You edited. So I'll say: North Korea?
But honestly we're straying from the point.
Monocle
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You cannot possibly be serious. I've seen some pretty extreme displays of feigned ignorance in my time, and this is up there with the best.
And I would say the same of you. You're not even attempting to veil that this is an overwhelmingly anti-religious tirade.
Clay Davis
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I don't disagree, but drawing pictures won't achieve much, the fact the last one didn't shows we needto engage the crazies in a different way.
Maybe debating won't work, but neither will purposefully antagonizing them with drawings. It will only serve to push more people towards the crazies as they'll see it as yet another attack on them and their religion/faith/etc.
The op is from Saudi Arabia and he is sick of this shit. But GAf can't see that for some weird reason.
edit: Personally, I think it is wiser for one to treat idiotic rants/dangerous rants with intelligent speech or as Manalastas said: combat bad speech is with better speech.
If people are swayed toward the crazies, rather than the Mohammed-Drawers, I question how 'not-crazy' those people were in the first place.
Or, y'know, it's totally irrelevant.
Why is it irrelevant?
You are attacking all of the crowd, where there are clear divisions. I only see gross stupidity amidst gross generalisations in that action. How is it not so?
I'm not sure to whom you refer when you say 'you are attacking all of the crowd'. Who is attacking which crowd?
In your criticism. Or in the criticism.
edit: give me a sec.
I'll preface this by saying I came to this thread after talking to somebody about that very article. It went a little like this:
X: Man, fuck Saudia Arabia.
Me: Well, you know, not all Saudis...
X: Backward motha fuckin country. Fuck Saudi arabia...
Clay Davis
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I'm sure there are many neutrals in this, they don't care about crap like this, but when people start to wholesale mock their religion and its prophets with pics of him sucking cock ir whatever do you think they 'll side with the drawers.
It makes a lot more sense to debate the issue, we have facts on our side. The prophet himself he didn'twant to be idolized. Focus on that, win over the neutrals and the crazies will become irrelevant.
There are such people.
No, because the US (bless its cotton socks) is a relatively sound political entity.
No, I'd ignore him and expect an extremely solid majority to do the same. There is no legitimate "moderate" way to enforce the kind of philosophical and social homogeneity you are talking about.
Clay Davis
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some if these.'clerics' are nothing but hatemongers who subscribe to wahabism. An almost alien form of the religion that is propped up by the Saudi family.
There were good examples of criticism levelled at Muslims, in the lead up and on the day it self.
But the whole mob mentality, of offending most Muslims out there; this -us and them, divisive thing, urgh. It's like: Go fucking sit in the corner, and oblige us motherfuckers. Come on everybody, do something you know offends them.
I see. As I see it, extremist muslims are backwards and Saudi Arabia has a lot of extremist muslims. Is the country backwards? Yup. Are all of it's inhabitants? Hell no.In your criticism. Or in the criticism.
edit: give me a sec.
I'll preface this by saying I came to this thread after talking to somebody about that very article. It went a little like this:
X: Man, fuck Saudia Arabia.
Me: Well, you know, not all Saudis...
X: Backward motha fuckin country. Fuck Saudi arabia...
And, honestly, I do have an awful lot of sympathy for the non-nutters who probably represent the majority. This kind of shit is much worse for them to live amongst than it is for me to read about.
Get into an islamic debate with one of these fundie imams, and you / I will lose. It's all open to interpretation and theirs is as valid as anyone elses. I bet they have verses out of the ass to justify how they feel / act.
I'd rather just goad them into committing some sort of legitimately punishable action.
's why I was so burned up by that knobhead French bloke taking a pop at "civilizations" that "accept tyranny".
I can't tell whether that's cockney slang, estuary english, anamerican dialect from the mid-eighteenth century, or french revolution era, err 'nglish.
Yup. Nobody 'accepts' tyranny, it's forced upon them. That's why revolutions tend to occur with a bang, rather than a whisper.
... before twitter came along.
Thursday night football does strange things to my language. Talking to Londoners changes me.
The situation in Indonesia bothers me quite a bit, because the Australian government has a fairly ignoble history of startlingly pissweak diplomatic positions. Not that they'd be inclined to listen to a syllable of it, but being supine motherfuckers is habit-forming.
Good lord. Indonesia is another one.
If you have time, this is worth a look:
Politics and New Media in the Muslim World
Although it's obviously before the Arab Spring.
AlimNassor
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My friend is a Muslim very strict. Even he thinks this is excessive. I mean he thinks the guy was wrong to do it, but, death? That's extreme. But then again he doesn't consider Saudi Arabia to be a muslim nation, he says just like Iiran they're nothing more then pretend muslims who want to be Western.
I really wish more Muslims would accept this attitude and deal with it.
Maleficence
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They don't want to be western, they simply value their power and money above their faith, or anything else for that matter. They're using Islam as a tool to consolidate their own power and money.
Roger Danish
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Wait... you're not OK-ing slavery? Damn, you sure you want to go that far out on a limb?
Angry Fork
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GAF should start a paypal thing to help this guy get out. I would donate.
bengraven
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Fuck yes. This.
I am not saying Christianity is the CAUSE of these actions, but it has been used to justify these acts. No surprise that the Bible came hand in hand with the bullet when it came time to enslave or colonize people. The Bible explicitly says to kill homosexuals and adulterers; there are some Islamic nations that make homosexuality a capital crime, are they doing it because of Islam or because they are violent sociopaths w/ a mob mentality in those specific societies? Gays get killed in the US also, a lot of the animus comes from religious upbringing; are these folks being killed because of Christianity or because of violent sociopaths? I forgot which African country these acts happened in, but they are burning non-Christian "witches" alive in the year 2011. Christianity is never to blame whenever a Christian acts up, but there's always something apparently wrong with Islam in general when the violent actor is Muslim... even though extremists are an insignificant percent of the total Islamic population. The KKK were "proud good Christians" too but their terrorism was never considered a reflection on Christianity. Why the double standard is what I was addressing earlier.
bengraven
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Harry Dresden
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So as a natural born American citizen, living in America. If I get on twitter and make bad comments about religious and political figures of other countries.
What happens to me?
What happens to me?
Angry Fork
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If you're not famous nothing, if you're famous you'll get shitted on and extreme cases a fatwa put on you (Salman Rushdie). At least that's what I'm assuming.
You will be safe cause you don't have the power to do anything. As in you are not some journalist that people follow or some famous person like Angry Fork said. Also if you are not a Muslim, a lot of blasphemous statements you make will most likely get ignored.
You have the Bible mixed up with Christianity. A common mistake. If you're referring to the old Mosaic law, then that does NOT apply to Christians. There is no way that Christianity or any part of the NT calls for the killing of Homosexuals in anyway.
Angry Fork
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what
Not all of the Bible applies to Christians. The Mosaic Law does NOT apply to Christians. Get it?
Guerrillas in the Mist
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You should read this week's Newsweek:
Interesting article, the persecution of Christians and other minorities in some largely Islamic nations is a worrying trend.
It's been going on for years. The violence in Egypt, and even Nigeria has become terrible. So many of my relatives in Iraq over the past decade have been kidnapped, harassed, even killed simply for being Christians. Most of them had to move out of my hometown there because there were flyers being passed around that told them to either move or face death.
VariantX04
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If only this were the case. Since religion is so tightly embedded in Saudi culture, conservatives are the majority and boy do they know it. Just going by the average commenter in any forum where this issue is discussed, what Hamza did was vile and unislamic and he should be tried before a Sharia court and sentenced to death. They already know the verdict.
This is completely untrue. Arab/Muslim pride is what usually starts these silly tantrums.
I truly appreciate the gesture but if you really want to help me out, support my music career so that I can do what I love for a living without being shunned for it.
Holy shit, this is actually pretty damn good stuff. Great job, man.
VariantX04
Loser slave of the system :(
One of the more liberal-minded Saudi bloggers received this email in regards to the topic lol:
I'm actually planning on releasing my new album in the coming weeks. I don't plan on stopping. Ever.
Thanks man.
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