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Shogun 2 |OT| This is Total War

Veritas_

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Title: Total War: Shogun 2
Studio: The Creative Assembly
Publisher: SEGA
Release Date: March 15th, 2011 (Global)
Platform: PC (Steam Required for activation)
Genre: Turn-Based/Real-Time Strategy
Website:http://www.totalwar.com/shogun2

Shogun 2 is set in 16th-century feudal Japan, in the aftermath of the Ōnin War. The country is fractured into rival clans led by local warlords, each fighting for control. The player takes on the role of one of these warlords, with the goal of dominating other factions and claiming his rule over Japan. The standard edition of the game will feature a total of eight factions (plus a ninth faction for the tutorial), each with a unique starting position and different political and military strengths.

Shogun 2 will have a combination of real-time strategy and turn-based strategy gameplay, a staple of the Total War series. The player plays the role of both the clan leader and general, alternating between the "campaign", where the player manages his land and armies turn by turn, and the "battles", where the player takes control of the army on the battlefield in real-time.

In the "campaign", the player will need to oversee the development of settlements, military production, economic growth, and technological advancement. The armies and units will be organized and moved around the stylised campaign map by the player to carry out battles with other factions. In addition to fighting, the player will be able to engage in diplomacy, political manoeuvring, and special agents to gain the upper hand. Ninja and geisha are confirmed to be included in the game as assassins and spies.

Shogun 2 will feature multiplayer battles as well as multiplayer campaigns that may involve more than 2 players. In a multiplayer campaign, players can be grouped into different clans, so that for each clan, one player assumes the role of clan leader and others take command of armies. The clan leader will have the ability to direct other players and assign rewards based on loyalty and performance, introducing clan politics into multiplayer. As a player's army invades an enemy territory or is attacked by enemy armies, the online matchmaker finds a suitable opponent and initiates a multiplayer battle. When a player defeats enemy armies and conquers territories, the player will gain points and other bonuses for the clan. In addition, an achievement system is designed to provide adhering players with unique abilities and cosmetic upgrades.

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Chosokabe
The Chosokabe clan claim descent from the Chinese Emperor Qin Shi Huang. The Chosokabe are already at war with the Kono clan of Iyo to the northwest. Now they have to make an interesting strategic decision: deal with their immediate enemies in Iyo, crush the Ichijo clan at home in Tosa, or attack the Miyoshi clan of Awa province.

Clan Traits

* Increased income from farms
* Reduced recruitment cost and upkeep for all bow infantry
* Can recruit superior bow infantry

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Date
Seen from their home province of Iwate, there are many rivals worth attacking. Date Harumune, their daimyo, is already at war with rebels at his own door, not to mention the Mogami clan of Ugo and Usen to the west. An attack there could put holy shrines under Date control. To the southwest, matters are a little more settled: the Hatakeyama clan in Miyagi is currently at peace with the Date, but who knows if such a situation will last?

Clan Traits

* Charge bonus to all units
* Reduced recruitment cost and upkeep for no-dachi samurai
* Can recruit superior no-dachi samurai

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Hattori
The Hattori are the leading family in Iga, a mountainous province, and the home of the independent Iga Sokoku Ikki, a kind of proto-republic which denied the power of the Kamakura shogunate’s feudal lords. The Hattori are largely at peace with their neighbours, although such arrangements have a tendency to fall apart. To the north, the Asai in Omi represent a tempting target, as there is a school of ninja there. To the south, the Kitabatake and Tsutsui defend holy sites that might be better under Hattori stewardship, while the Ashikaga of Yamato represent all that is wrong with the old tired system of government, as they control what passes for a shogunate at the moment.

Clan Traits

* +2% to the success chance of ninja actions
* Specialist Hattori units can hide effectively in battle
* Specialist Hattori units possess kisho training

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Hojo
The Hojo are greater builders than any other clan. The Hojo began their rise to power modestly enough on the Kanto plain, taking advantage of civil war and the troubles of others to establish themselves. They are, for the moment, at peace with Imagawa, and the Takeda in Kai to the northwest. However, the Hojo also have an immediate problem: they are under threat from an Ogigayatsu clan army about to invade Sagami from Musashi.

Clan Traits

* Castles are cheaper to build and repair
* Reduced recruitment costs and upkeep for siege units
* Can recruit superior siege units

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Mori
The Mori have a long history of seafaring and are sea masters without equal. The Mori came to prominence as jito, or stewards, of the Aki province after the Jokyu War in 1221. Under Mori Motonari, their daimyo, the clan is still at war with the Amako and, indeed, their home in Aki is threatened by an invasion from the north by the Amako. They are still allied with the Ouchi clan of Suo and Nagati to the west, and have peaceful relations with the Kikkawa and Kono in Bingo and Iyo respectively.

Clan Traits

* Increased campaign map movement range for all ships
* Reduced recruitment costs and upkeep for all ships
* Can recruit superior ships

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Oda
The Oda are rightly respected for their skills as inspiring battlefield commanders of ashigaru. Originally retainers of the Shiba clan, the Oda grew as the Shiba faded, but this only led to decades of strife within the family for supremacy. Now, the Oda confront outsiders: to the north, the Saito of Mino province; to the east, the Tokugawa clan in Mikawa and, beyond them, the Imagawa lurk.

Clan Traits

* Improved morale for all ashigaru
* Reduced recruitment costs and upkeep for all ashigaru
* Can recruit superior ashigaru

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Shimazu
The Shimazu are a proud clan, with a long history worthy of their pride. Shimazu katana samurai are cheaper to recruit and maintain in the field than those of other clans; they can also recruit superior katana-armed samurai. The clan can trace its ancestry back to Minamoto Yoritomo, the founder and first shogun of the Kamakura shogunate. Their home province of Satsuma is secure, and they are at peace with the Sagara of Higo province to the north. Higo, however, is a tempting target for expansion because of the warhorses to be found there. There is the small matter of a war with the Ito clan in the provinces of Osumi and Hyuga, but once these local difficulties are resolved the distance from Kyushu to the shogun’s palace is not so great after all!

Clan Traits

* Increased loyalty for all generals
* Reduced recruitment costs and upkeep for katana samurai
* Can recruit superior katana heroes
* Can recruit superior katana samurai

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Takeda
Takeda warlords have ruled Kai, their home province, since the 12th Century, but they have known little peace. Clan infighting, a long series of struggles against repeated invasions from the neighbouring Shinano province, and wars against the Hojo and Imagawa clans, saw to that. To the east, in Musashi, the Ogigayatsu clan are also peaceful, as are the Hojo of Sagami and Izu provinces. To the south the Imagawa clan have recently been reliable allies. As might be expected of horse-masters, the Takeda clan can recruit and train cavalry much more efficiently than other clans.

Clan Traits

* Improved morale for cavalry
* Reduced recruitment costs and upkeep for all cavalry
* Can recruit superior cavalry

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Tokugawa
Although the Tokugawa are an ancient family, claiming descent from Minamoto no Yoritomo, the first shogun of the Kamakura shogunate, they have known hard times since those glorious days. The Tokugawa have been squeezed between two powerful and ambitious clans: the Imagawa to the east, and the Oda in the west, a most uncomfortable position. They do not, however, need to worry about the Kiso in Shinano province, as relations with these neighbours are peaceful.

Clan Traits

* +2% to the success chance of metsuke actions
* Bonus to diplomatic relations
* Reduced recruitment costs and upkeep for kisho ninja
* Can recruit superior kisho ninja

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Uesugi
The Uesugi are proud of their Buddhist faith. Despite this religious solidarity, the history of the Uesugi is not tranquil. The current Uesugi leaders were originally the Nagao clan of Echigo, and were vassals to the Yamanouchi faction of the Uesugi clan. There are Uesugi rebels in Echigo itself, and to the south there is unfinished business in the shape of the Yamanouchi clan of Kozuke province. Luckily, there are peaceful relations with the Ashina clan of Fukushima, and the Mogami clan of Uzen province, but both of these areas have resources, wood and stone respectively, which could be of considerable use.

Clan Traits

* 2% to the success chance of monk actions
* Increased trade income
* Reduced recruitment costs and upkeep for warrior monks
* Can recruit superior warrior monks


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GAF Thread of Shogun 2 Reviews
 

Veritas_

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racooon

Banned
Good thread. Unfortunately it's unlikely I'll be able to run this game, I can run RTW, but I couldn't run Medieval II, so I'll just have to wait until I get a decent PC ;_;
 

Omiee

Member
so hyped for this game, i loved the demo. it looks like there will be more to do and i love the setting.
 

Stahsky

A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
I was getting some really low FPS hits on the demo

HD 6950, 965 BE, and 8 gigs ddr3. Was hoping for better performance
 

~Kinggi~

Banned
Game looks incredible. But it probably needs a monster machine to run properly.

I really enjoyed Empire Total War. Dont get why everyone says its so broken.
 

Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
~Kinggi~ said:
Game looks incredible. But it probably needs a monster machine to run properly.

I really enjoyed Empire Total War. Dont get why everyone says its so broken.

Try the demo, I found it actually ran smoother then Empire.
 
EvaPlusMinus said:
I was getting some really low FPS hits on the demo

HD 6950, 965 BE, and 8 gigs ddr3. Was hoping for better performance
There were some optimization problems in the demo which they say didn't make it to the final release.
 

Weenerz

Banned
Question, what is the best picture hosting website so I can bulk upload pictures? Sucks doing it one at a time on tinypic and I think another site is banned by GAF. Silly place to ask, but I have a few shots I took from the demo.
 

markot

Banned
Weenerz said:
Question, what is the best picture hosting website so I can bulk upload pictures? Sucks doing it one at a time on tinypic and I think another site is banned by GAF. Silly place to ask, but I have a few shots I took from the demo.

Photobucket >.>? Need an account though.
 
Weenerz said:
Question, what is the best picture hosting website so I can bulk upload pictures? Sucks doing it one at a time on tinypic and I think another site is banned by GAF. Silly place to ask, but I have a few shots I took from the demo.
imgur will let you upload a bunch at once. Just drag and drop them from explorer.
 

Weenerz

Banned
slidewinder said:
imgur will let you upload a bunch at once. Just drag and drop them from explorer.

Thanks for the help folks. Originally I bought the game for the TF2 weapons, but after playing, I think I'll like it.


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gotee12

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scottnak said:
SO I was looking at grabbing this from Amazon...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004CZZZXQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Photo shows "Limited Edition" but in the blurb on the right it says "Edition: Standard"
Is this normal for those of you who grabbed it from Amazon?
The only edition that Amazon sells is the limited one, so we should be fine. At least I couldn't find any other SKU's on their site. Really what we're getting is the regular game with some bonus DLC that supposedly will be limited to only those who purchased from Amazon...

Edit: hypehypehype!!!
 

Mrbob

Member
scottnak said:
SO I was looking at grabbing this from Amazon...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004CZZZXQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Photo shows "Limited Edition" but in the blurb on the right it says "Edition: Standard"
Is this normal for those of you who grabbed it from Amazon?

I think the first run at retail is all limited edition. I ordered from amazon and my order page says Limited Edition. The description below talks about the Limited Edition as well.
 

Sethos

Banned
Excellent job, Veritas. Hopefully Direct2Drive will send out the codes fairly quickly and Steam will let us register them right away ... One can hope, right?
 

scottnak

Member
gotee12 said:
The only edition that Amazon sells is the limited one, so we should be fine. At least I couldn't find any other SKU's on their site. Really what we're getting is the regular game with some bonus DLC that supposedly will be limited to only those who purchased from Amazon...

Edit: hypehypehype!!!

Mrbob said:
I think the first run at retail is all limited edition. I ordered from amazon and my order page says Limited Edition. The description below talks about the Limited Edition as well.

THanks guys, went ahead and got it.
 
Another game that I was hoping to buy that won't pop up on Steam for me.

Locking out regions for DD stuff is FUCKING STUPID!

Maybe I an get it off of D2D I guess...
 

Volodja

Member
I'm still on the fence, especially on the way to buy it.
The Steam offer is interesting because the only modern TW game I own is Empire, but I could pay less to just buy the Limited in a store.
I'll probably go with the Steam one.
I can run Empire decently so i hope this will be the same, based on the demo it looked possible even if there were some glitches with the loading bar and a few other things.

The sprites for the zoomed out units made me really nostalgic, so many memories of the first game.
 

Dead Man

Member
racooon said:
Good thread. Unfortunately it's unlikely I'll be able to run this game, I can run RTW, but I couldn't run Medieval II, so I'll just have to wait until I get a decent PC ;_;
Same. Game looks awesome, but I do find myself sometimes wishing for the simpler RTS style of Shogun1.

BudokaiMR2 said:
Another game that I was hoping to buy that won't pop up on Steam for me.

Locking out regions for DD stuff is FUCKING STUPID!

Maybe I an get it off of D2D I guess...
Indeed it is.
 

spazzfish

Member
Got the limited edition pre-ordered on amazon for £25 which is £5 cheaper than the standard version on steam, being a steamworks title anyway i'm not sure what's going on with the prices.
After skipping out on DA2 and Crysis 2 for obvious reasons i'm really looking forward to having a proper pc game to play. I love the shogun games setting and era:) The demo actually ran well for me, it will probably be a different story when the DX11 features appear.
 

54-46!

Member
I have a feeling I'll install this game, realize it runs like shit and then wait to play til I buy a new PC.
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
spazzfish said:
Got the limited edition pre-ordered on amazon for £25 which is £5 cheaper than the standard version on steam, being a steamworks title anyway i'm not sure what's going on with the prices.
It ultimately comes down to the publishers, and there are a designated few who commit the same offences. Activision, EA, THQ, Sega, occasionally Take2. Every single "next big" game from them registers some sort of increase on Steam.
 

syoaran

Member
speedpop said:
It ultimately comes down to the publishers, and there are a designated few who commit the same offences. Activision, EA, THQ, Sega, occasionally Take2. Every single "next big" game from them registers some sort of increase on Steam.

So that means if I pick up the retail version, I can run it on Steam with no problems? (inc steamworks).

Not a Day1 title for me, as I've got an insane amount of non-gaming commitments right now, but will get it before the end of the month. Demo distilled what made the original TW great, while providing a lot of new tactical challenges. Also - wow gorgeous game.
 

Boogie9IGN

Member
So this was the game I promised myself I'd have a new computer by its release date so I could actually play (my friend and I loved the original in hs, to the point that his nickname was Takeda and mine Hojo)...

...aaaaand here I am with the same pos laptop from 2007.
 

Volodja

Member
syoaran said:
So that means if I pick up the retail version, I can run it on Steam with no problems? (inc steamworks).
Being Steamworks means that it needs Steam, regardless of where you buy it.
 
I really liked the earlier Total War games, but I lost interest in Empire because every turn in the campaign was sooooo slow, and the loading times for every battle also took too long time. Does anyone know if any improvements have been made in those areas in Shogun 2, or is it the same?
 
So the Total War series comes full circle. Interesting to see how the Clans have pretty much the same bonuses they had in the first Shogun.
I'm really looking forward to this game, so much so I pre-ordered the Collectors Edition - link
Luckily I pre-ordered it at Amazon for under £55. Looks like they're all sold now as they're going for £81!
 

Sethos

Banned
CecilRousso said:
I really liked the earlier Total War games, but I lost interest in Empire because every turn in the campaign was sooooo slow, and the loading times for every battle also took too long time. Does anyone know if any improvements have been made in those areas in Shogun 2, or is it the same?

Turn times were already improved in Napoleon, so I expect them to have been improved even further in Shogun 2. Napoleon actually fixed a lot of the issues Empire had, so I only expect great things from S2. However, I hope they manage to streamline the co-op campaign(s) a bit more - It was slow and cumbersome in Empire, as it was basically crowbarred in post-launch and in Napoleon it felt a bit more native but still very slow and didn't leave much to do for the waiting player.
 

Mojojo

Member
Thanks for this OT, OP :)
bought on Steam.
I had Empire and didn't enjoy it, so i tried the Shogun 2 demo with caution, and liked it a lot. Must be a combination of the setting that appeals more to me, and a lot of minor improvements from Empire that makes the whole experience more enjoyable : it's a 'cleaner' and more cohesive game(for lack of better terms to describe what i feel from the demo).

From a trailer , i saw there is a co-op mode campaign? is there more info about it?
 

Ikuu

Had his dog run over by Blizzard's CEO
Anyone know if they're doing a preload? The TF2 items are pretty awesome (especially the sword).
 

Facism

Member
Seems like the Hattori clan is only available with the limited edition if you buy retail :/ At least in the UK.
 

Almighty

Member
Well I was on the fence if i should buy Shogun 2. I had some money set aside for Dragon Age 2, but I am going to pass on Dragon Age 2. So I will be picking up Shogun 2 using that money now.

It also helped that I enjoyed the demo and only focusing on Japan seemed to really help the game compared to Empire.
 

Forkball

Member
I played the demo and I couldn't get my cavalry through the gates in the castle siege battle. But the other guy's cavalry was coming through it. And then all my guys climbing the walls got owned.

In short, I suck at RTS games. But I love the Sengoku era of Japan and it looks like it's going to be a great game for people more competent than I.
 
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