Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)

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There is a best case scenario for this. One where a national Unity day is created. Where parades like Toronto's pride brings police and communities together. Where the nation's police follow the lead of those in Dallas and work to address their issues with the black community. Kumbaya shit isn't going to fix everything, but it might encourage police to see the community as human beings and not expendable if they spent some time with them.
 
Fair enough. I agree on police departments but, that doesn't excuse the shitty job they have done.

I never blame things on intentional malice when ignorance apathy or even worse hate will let you do things just by neglect or not giving a fuck.

We agree.

Yes, I think putting up a protesters picture as a suspect in this mass murder when you don't actually having anything to go on outside of skin color and a rifle is completely irresponsible and shoddy police work(along with the lies they questioned him with). It's also irresponsible to not immediately clear his name as soon as humanly possible, in every way possible. He's out there receiving death threats because of this.

We don't agree. Looking for a shooter and having a picture provided that shows someone who fits the description with an AR-15 is worth following as a lead.

As an Atlanta native, Richard Jewel had the same thing happen when the Olympics were bombed in 1996. It's happened before, it will happen again. It's unfortunate, but it happens when police are frantically trying to figure things out in a short amount of time. They are human and make mistakes.

They did clear his name, but (for the fourth time) aren't likely thinking to delete the original tweet. It's a mistake and they're not thinking to scrub his name from the Internet.
 
That's part of what I was trying to say and needs to be talked about more. I've been in some therapy groups with veterans and its some pretty intense shit. They aren't trainded to 'protect a country', thats just propaganda for the people back home to be ok with what they are doing in other countries. Military is trained to kill enemies and to an extent protect their comrades in arms, period. They are trained to get into a certain mind set and when the government and military is done with them they get thrown back into society with no help for the mental issues this training and experience causes them. On top of that for people at this age this is pretty much all they know. This is a HUGE contributing factor to what happened here but because its the ugly side of the military people don't want to talk about or deal with we aren't going to hear a peep about this aspect.

Like the Orlando shooting, we're looking at a cornucopia of issues being thrown into the fray at once.

-Criticism of Police Brutality
-Gun Control
-Racism
-Mental Health of War veterans
 
Hi. California resident here, but I was born and raised in Dallas for many, many years. Always will have love for my city, but I digress.

My cousin was at the protest last night. Needless to say, he was VERY upset about what went down. He posted his reactions on Facebook late last night, hours after the whole thing happened. I wanted to share with you guys his perspective of the whole ordeal.



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Thanks for posting this.
 
3 different times this morning, I've looked out of our 18th floor office windows towards downtown and each time I felt chills run through my body. To think what happened there just 14 or so hours ago. Feels unreal, man. :(
 
I'm confused. I was following this last night before bed and thought there were multiple attackers? Was he the guy in the video?
 
But they weren't just berserkers who lost it and lashed out. Several people got together, planned this, and executed it in unison. There was a thought pattern here.

AFAICT, there is officially one "shooter" and 3 suspects. This may be a "lone gunman" incident.
 
Hi. California resident here, but I was born and raised in Dallas for many, many years. Always will have love for my city, but I digress.

My cousin was at the protest last night. Needless to say, he was VERY upset about what went down. He posted his reactions on Facebook late last night, hours after the whole thing happened. I wanted to share with you guys his perspective of the whole ordeal.



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Thank you. Love this picture in particular.
 
I'm confused. I was following this last night before bed and thought there were multiple attackers? Was he the guy in the video?

Depends on which video. The guy flanking and murdering the cop, it appears to be him.

There are 3 suspects in custody. No idea if they are actually involved.

The guy holding the AR-15 during the protest that got plastered all over the net? His gun was not loaded and video captured him handed it to police right when the shooting started. The police have released him.
 
Every single human being on earth has the capability to snap and do unimaginable things. Some have higher breaking points than others. At the end of the day we have to realize we are all human. This shooter didn't have a criminal record until last night.

Everybody is a good person until they're not.

And I believe the overwhelming majority of people do not have high enough breaking points for it to be safe for them to have easy access to a firearm.
 
Its actually a lot more of people trying to use this saying the Black Lives Matter movement is trash, or that BLM is now out to kill anyone not black. Failing to acknowledge that they aren't associated with the shooter.

Do they feel the same way about anti-abortion representatives that peddled lies about PP until (and after) someone shot one up?
 
There is a best case scenario for this. One where a national Unity day is created. Where parades like Toronto's pride brings police and communities together. Where the nation's police follow the lead of those in Dallas and work to address their issues with the black community. Kumbaya shit isn't going to fix everything, but it might encourage police to see the community as human beings and not expendable if they spent some time with them.


I am hoping for the same thing.
 
So I just read they blew him up with a bomb robot. WTF? It's one thing to try a risky non-lethal takedown and wind up killing him, and usually in these cases they suicide but executing him when cornered? Even despite all the shit that has happened they still add yet another dubious use of force to the list.
 
Well, at least we'll have almost universal condemnation of this attack as being unjustified and any people involved will be prosecuted according to the law.
These affected families can take some solace in that. Not all families visited by tragedy can make that assumption.
 
So I just read they blew him up with a bomb robot. WTF? It's one thing to try a risky non-lethal takedown and wind up killing him, and usually in these cases they suicide but executing him when cornered? Even despite all the shit that has happened they still add yet another dubious use of force to the list.

He never stopped firing at them during the 4 hour negotiation and in fact made it clear that his remaining goal in life was to kill as many of them as possible. The fact that they waited that 4 hours shows extreme restraint in and of itself.
 
So I just read they blew him up with a bomb robot. WTF? It's one thing to try a risky non-lethal takedown and wind up killing him, and usually in these cases they suicide but executing him when cornered? Even despite all the shit that has happened they still add yet another dubious use of force to the list.

Nothing dubious about killing a murderer who refuses to stop trying to murder even more people.
 
So I just read they blew him up with a bomb robot. WTF? It's one thing to try a risky non-lethal takedown and wind up killing him, and usually in these cases they suicide but executing him when cornered? Even despite all the shit that has happened they still add yet another dubious use of force to the list.

That's what we call a drone strike. But, its 2016. I'd do the same thing if he wouldn't budge and just killed quite a few of my fellow officers and wanted me dead. We've got robots, why not use em!
 
So I just read they blew him up with a bomb robot. WTF? It's one thing to try a risky non-lethal takedown and wind up killing him, and usually in these cases they suicide but executing him when cornered? Even despite all the shit that has happened they still add yet another dubious use of force to the list.

Oh good, another one who hasn't read everything yet.
 
Hi. California resident here, but I was born and raised in Dallas for many, many years. Always will have love for my city, but I digress.

My cousin was at the protest last night. Needless to say, he was VERY upset about what went down. He posted his reactions on Facebook late last night, hours after the whole thing happened. I wanted to share with you guys his perspective of the whole ordeal.



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This is a great piece from someone who knows what the fuck is up, much props to your cuz.

The only thing I would dispute is the disarm the country part, events like these actually spur more gun sales making disarmament impossible. I'm surprised no one has highlighted this in the media.

Thanks for sharing.
 
So I just read they blew him up with a bomb robot. WTF? It's one thing to try a risky non-lethal takedown and wind up killing him, and usually in these cases they suicide but executing him when cornered? Even despite all the shit that has happened they still add yet another dubious use of force to the list.

No, they did not execute him or use excessive force. Get all the facts and drop this.
 
So I just read they blew him up with a bomb robot. WTF? It's one thing to try a risky non-lethal takedown and wind up killing him, and usually in these cases they suicide but executing him when cornered? Even despite all the shit that has happened they still add yet another dubious use of force to the list.

Not seeing the problem. This guy had shot a bunch of people already and had no intention of stopping. Was the correct time to use lethal force unlike other police killings.
 
So I just read they blew him up with a bomb robot. WTF? It's one thing to try a risky non-lethal takedown and wind up killing him, and usually in these cases they suicide but executing him when cornered? Even despite all the shit that has happened they still add yet another dubious use of force to the list.

They tried negotiating with him for hours, negotiations broke down, he made bomb threats.
 
So I just read they blew him up with a bomb robot. WTF? It's one thing to try a risky non-lethal takedown and wind up killing him, and usually in these cases they suicide but executing him when cornered? Even despite all the shit that has happened they still add yet another dubious use of force to the list.
It wasn't dubious. It was the safest option. They had five dead already.
 
So I just read they blew him up with a bomb robot. WTF? It's one thing to try a risky non-lethal takedown and wind up killing him, and usually in these cases they suicide but executing him when cornered? Even despite all the shit that has happened they still add yet another dubious use of force to the list.

FFS...
 
So I just read they blew him up with a bomb robot. WTF? It's one thing to try a risky non-lethal takedown and wind up killing him, and usually in these cases they suicide but executing him when cornered? Even despite all the shit that has happened they still add yet another dubious use of force to the list.

Excessive force? When he was trying to kill them for 4 hours continuously? Jesus dude.
 
If you're upset about *how* the police killed an armed active gunman trying to take down as many people as possible, you need to rethink your priorities.

The gunman is dead. This is a good thing.
 
doesn't work when you're trying to do what?

Black liberation in this case. Malcom X and the BPP never went around murdering police, because they knew that despite the fact that black people are oppressed by police, just going out and randomly killing them doesn't solve anything and just further inflames tensions and gives the white supremacists more ammo against you.

You have to build a broad based movement to get anything to change. This is a guy who snapped and did something terrible, hijacking an event carried out by a movement that has legitimacy among oppressed people, and it's not going to have any good results.
 
Waiting to hear on how much armaments he had. He had to have a dufflebag filled with clips. Constantly shooting for hours? Jeeez.
 
I also wonder what correlation there is between violence and contentious election years.

The heat adds to the stewing I'm sure. You're beaded in sweat, the salt stings the cracks on your skin. The couch sticks to you. Everything stinks of BO. Windows wide open, fans on but it doesn't do shit to cool things down. And every angry, violent thought you've ever had is aggravated ten fold.
 
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