Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)

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Volimar said:
I might, MIGHT understand that reasoning if this happened in baton rouge or Ferguson, but by most accounts, Dallas was improving the relationship between its law enforcement and black community. That community didn't seem to be desperate. Seems pretty irresponsible to make that kind of wide brush statement in this situation.
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I thought all were acquitted in Ferguson? Why condone such behavior where justice was served?

I feel in any case, social media although exposing such actions is important, it's not showing the whole story, and there is a rush to judgment that is unhealthy for society as a whole. Let the courts decide, which is a common right of all U.S. citizens.

That's just how I feel about all this. Right now we are in a vicious cycle of inexplicable actions beget inexplicable reactions.
 
wesleyshark said:
Killing white people. Killing white cops.
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Certainly. But those things aren't usually the ultimate goal. What did they think they were doing for the cause of black people in America or America as a whole in doing this? They've intensified the hate and haven't fundamentally changed anything about race and the police in America. If anything they've just further entrenched the problems right at a moment where it seemed like tragedy could have led to some positive change. It was a destructive act with no obvious benefit to anyone. I really do not understand what they were trying to do by directly tying this madness to a BLM protest.

Yesterday all anybody could talk about were the two shootings in Louisiana and Minnesota and it seemed like at a national level people were coming to the belief that the police had no business being so damn jumpy, trigger happy, and immediately aggressive. And now that's been muffled by this.
 
TheFuzz said:
Legally carrying an AR-15 at an event where a trained shooter is opening fire on people. You going to tell me as a police chief that you're not a bit inquisitive about where that guy is now?
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If you kept up with the news you would know why he isn't a suspect if you're referring to a certain someone that has been throughly cleared.

Pyrrhus said:
Certainly. But those things aren't usually the ultimate goal. What did they think they were doing for the cause of black people in America or America as a whole in doing this? They've intensified the hate and haven't fundamentally changed anything about race and the police in America. If anything they've just further entrenched the problems right at a moment where it seemed like tragedy could have led to some positive change. It was a destructive act with no obvious benefit to anyone. I really do not understand what they were trying to do by directly tying this madness to a BLM protest.

Yesterday all anybody could talk about were the two shootings in Louisiana and Minnesota and it seemed like at a national level people were coming to the belief that the police had no business being so damn jumpy, trigger happy, and immediately aggressive. And now that's been muffled by this.
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The tragic irony or wrath, rage, fear, and violence is it self destructive. Also it's clear the shooter wasn't in a stable state of mind he didn't care about others he wanted to satiate his own internal anger to the detriment of his own.
 
Pyrrhus said:
Certainly. But those things aren't usually the ultimate goal. What did they think they were doing for the cause of black people in America or America as a whole in doing this? They've intensified the hate and haven't fundamentally changed anything about race and the police in America. If anything they've just further entrenched the problems right at a moment where it seemed like tragedy could have led to some positive change. It was a destructive act with no obvious benefit to anyone. I really do not understand what they were trying to do by directly tying this madness to a BLM protest.

Yesterday all anybody could talk about were the two shootings in Louisiana and Minnesota and it seemed like at a national level people were coming to the belief that the police had no business being so damn jumpy, trigger happy, and immediately aggressive. And now that's been muffled by this.
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After Tamir Rice was gunned down within seconds and business went on as usual. I can almost assume not much would have happened after the shooting of the two men. Regardless of the tragedy last night
 
trembli0s said:
This is going to go over real well. Like a fucking bucket of ice water on the whole legitimate part of the movement.
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Prefacing the following with a note that this is just cold, unempathetic analysis on my part:

In regards to optics, this is probably the best outcome possible with a black shooter. Ex-military, almost certainly served in the middle east. It drums up way too many uncomfortable conversations about how one of our heroes could go bad and do something like this at home. Too many fingers will be getting pointed at too many people for many places to want to linger on the conversation. Unless something happens to rock the blame HARD in one direction or another, no one will want to point at anything for fear they'll be pointed at.

You can see it in Paul Ryan's speech and Fox News bringing up the 70s instead of staying 100% on message about BLM.

Right now they're looking for a scapegoat that won't cause them a fight and get them in trouble.
 
LCGeek said:
If you kept up with the news you would know why he isn't a suspect if you're referring to a certain someone that has been throughly cleared.
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I know he was cleared. For the third time, he wasn't cleared when it was posted. I don't think people understand that police departments aren't the most social-media conscious people, and they certainly aren't thinking about going back to last night to clean up erroneous tweets. They should be, but I have worked with law enforcement so I'm sure it's not being left up intentionally.
 
Pyrrhus said:
Certainly. But those things aren't usually the ultimate goal. What did they think they were doing for the cause of black people in America or America as a whole in doing this? They've intensified the hate and haven't fundamentally changed anything about race and the police in America. If anything they've just further entrenched the problems right at a moment where it seemed like tragedy could have led to some positive change. It was a destructive act with no obvious benefit to anyone. I really do not understand what they were trying to do by directly tying this madness to a BLM protest.

Yesterday all anybody could talk about were the two shootings in Louisiana and Minnesota and it seemed like at a national level people were coming to the belief that the police had no business being so damn jumpy, trigger happy, and immediately aggressive. And now that's been muffled by this.
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They're fucking nutjobs that decided to do what made them feel good at the moment. I wish Johnson survived so he could see first hand the damage that his actions have and will cause.
 
Its actually a lot more of people trying to use this saying the Black Lives Matter movement is trash, or that BLM is now out to kill anyone not black. Failing to acknowledge that they aren't associated with the shooter.
 
Meier said:
It's intentional. They quote tweeted it later and said he was questioned and released. At that point though, they should have taken it down. It's very dangerous because the follow-up might not be shared in conjunction with the original.
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Huh, I missed that part.

With a statement like that in mind, I have an honest question for people which is probably not gonna be a popular discussion:

Do you think it is best to leave it up on the official twitter or delete it?

One thing that is scary about a situation like this is something that GAF knows better than anyone: Nothing can be deleted from the internet.

Deleting an official statement like this could make the situation even worse. As sad as it is to admit, it could give people free reign to photoshop it, spread it out of context, etc.

Now obviously they can do that now as well, but it can be fact-checked. You delete it (and thereby also remove context from the statement basically proving his innocence) then you may be putting him in more danger as there would be no way to trace an official statement proving his innocence, even if the best we have is a tweet,

Maybe I am just over-thinking things.
 
McBryBry said:
Its actually a lot more of people trying to use this saying the Black Lives Matter movement is trash, or that BLM is now out to kill anyone not black. Failing to acknowledge that they aren't associated with the shooter.
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Failing to acknowledge that they worked with police to plan the protest.
 
TheFuzz said:
I know he was cleared. For the third time, he wasn't cleared when it was posted. I don't think people understand that police departments aren't the most social-media conscious people, and they certainly aren't thinking about going back to last night to clean up erroneous tweets. They should be, but I have worked with law enforcement so I'm sure it's not being left up intentionally.
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Fair enough. I agree on police departments but, that doesn't excuse the shitty job they have done.

I never blame things on intentional malice when ignorance apathy or even worse hate will let you do things just by neglect or not giving a fuck.
 
Saw that the shooter was black.

Fucking hell man. That is going to set everything back that people have been trying to achieve with the movement. I'm terrified this means a significant uptick in the amount of blacks that will be killed by cops this year. Killing cops is not the answer and just gives ammo to the people who don't want to believe cops can do wrong.

The right is going to use this the scare white people into believing BLM is a violent black power movement and should be ignored or even suppressed.
 
I'm pretty proud of all the politicians so far, especially Ryan, for not sensationalizing this. Even reading Donald's Facebook post (even though it definitely doesn't sound like him, but still) was surreal. Gives me hope that the general population won't give into the us vs. them thing despite all the radical people pushing for it.
 
TheFuzz said:
Legally carrying an AR-15 at an event where a trained shooter is opening fire on people. You going to tell me as a police chief that you're not a bit inquisitive about where that guy is now?

I'm not excusing why it's still up, I'm excusing why it went up in the first place. It needs to come down, but without knowing who handles the DPD Twitter feed this morning, it's likely a very very embarrassingly bad oversight.
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Yes, I think putting up a protesters picture as a suspect in this mass murder when you don't actually having anything to go on outside of skin color and a rifle is completely irresponsible and shoddy police work(along with the lies they questioned him with). It's also irresponsible to not immediately clear his name as soon as humanly possible, in every way possible. He's out there receiving death threats because of this.
 
It's very important that BLM make it clear that they are not anti-police but rather pro-police reform. This was a peaceful demonstration in coordination wth the local police that was interrupted by a few psychopaths.
 
"As we mourn this week’s tragic events in Louisiana, Minnesota, and now Dallas, it is evident that we need God now more than ever." (Ravi Zacharias)

A Prayer on this Day of Shock and Heartbreak by Ravi Zacharias on July 8, 2016

My prayer on this day of shock and heartbreak:

God, our heavenly Father, our minds go back to the day when Jesus knelt beside his beloved city and wept, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes” (Luke 19:42).

We sense so deeply the same reality. We weep for our cities even as we bury our dead. The sound of gunfire is the grim sound of what has already shattered our relationships. We are witnesses of distrust, revenge, and anger. We see no one to lead us and guide us. To whom shall we go?

Our differences seem to lead us even farther apart. Oh, Lord of miracles, do what only you can do to save us from ourselves. Give us men and women who will lead us to reconciliation. Give us leaders who will bind us up to heal our wounds, not those who will only incite more hate.

Give us voices that will bring hope and not despair. Please comfort the bereaved and give humility to the ones who are resistant to your ways. Give us pause so that we might sit back for just a few moments to look to you before we look at our impulsive solutions.

We shed another’s blood when we are without answers. You shed your own blood as our only answer. We kill, buried in despair. You rise, giving us hope.

You told Peter to put back his sword and you restored the one wounded. That’s what we long for. A reprimand to the one who would injure and a healing within the one injured. God of miracles, please do it again. We need you. Our nation needs you. Our leaders need you. Many a home today will not have a loved one returning. Without you we have no hope. With you all things are possible—even for beauty to come out of ashes. We pray for the day of unarmed truth and unconditional love. Please answer our prayer.

In the name of Jesus your Son, our only Savior, we ask this.

Amen.
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Kreed said:
Guys, read the article please:

A photog got Jada at LAX Thursday, and asked about the recent police involved shootings of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile. Her reaction was poignant. It's important to note this video was shot before the Dallas news broke in L.A.​
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TMZ continues to be worthless
 
bman94 said:
It's really scary that someone who was trained to protect the country can initiate domestic warfare like this at this age. He's a part of my generation, I'll only a few years younger than him and to think someone my age caused so much destruction of lives and terror.
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That's part of what I was trying to say and needs to be talked about more. I've been in some therapy groups with veterans and its some pretty intense shit. They aren't trainded to 'protect a country', thats just propaganda for the people back home to be ok with what they are doing in other countries. Military is trained to kill enemies and to an extent protect their comrades in arms, period. They are trained to get into a certain mind set and when the government and military is done with them they get thrown back into society with no help for the mental issues this training and experience causes them. On top of that for people at this age this is pretty much all they know. This is a HUGE contributing factor to what happened here but because its the ugly side of the military people don't want to talk about or deal with we aren't going to hear a peep about this aspect.
 
What an idiot. You'd think someone into black power would've taken the time to read some revolutionary theory and realize that lone wolfism doesn't work.

Sigh
 
SliceSabre said:
Saw that the shooter was black.

Fucking hell man. That is going to set everything back that people have been trying to achieve with the movement. I'm terrified this means a significant uptick in the amount of blacks that will be killed by cops this year. Killing cops is not the answer and just gives ammo to the people who don't want to believe cops can do wrong.

The right is going to use this the scare white people into believing BLM is a violent black power movement and should be ignored or even suppressed.
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People who want to scaremonger were already going to do so even if he were white. New York Post was already calling this a Civil War even before we knew who the suspect was.
 
Erban1 said:
Crazy i went to high school with the shooter...you really never know what people are capable of smh
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Every single human being on earth has the capability to snap and do unimaginable things. Some have higher breaking points than others. At the end of the day we have to realize we are all human. This shooter didn't have a criminal record until last night.

Everybody is a good person until they're not.
 
Hi. California resident here, but I was born and raised in Dallas for many, many years. Always will have love for my city, but I digress.

My cousin was at the protest last night. Needless to say, he was VERY upset about what went down. He posted his reactions on Facebook late last night, hours after the whole thing happened. I wanted to share with you guys his perspective of the whole ordeal.

I had to wait to calm my nerves after tonight's events and reflect before posting my thoughts. My mind and heart are still downtown with those officers. These officers who were there to protect us as we rallied and marched for justice and peace. I can't help but think back to my conversation with Officer Jenkins. I hope to God he wasn't among the ones who were hurt. He told me how much he was looking forward to the end of the rally to get home to his wife and one year old son. I am absolutely heartbroken. And again - I AM PISSED THE FUCK OFF. I just said not two days ago that I was genuinely afraid where things were headed, as racial tensions seemed to be reaching the breaking point. THIS IS NOT THAT.

The rally was awesome. People of different races came together as one - black, white, brown, etc. The rally was peaceful. The march was peaceful. Citizens and Law Enforcement Officers were communicating as we should be. Everyone there was determined to set an example that we CAN peacefully coexist with police officers while demanding accountability from the bad cops who give the good cops a bad name. And for two hours, we were successful. That changed when one or two individuals decided to take it upon themselves to mete out punishment on the innocent officers who were simply there to make sure we were ok.

This is the absolute WORST. Someone is hell-bent on starting a war meant only to serve as an excuse to disarm citizens of this country. I as much as anyone feel the sting of anger, worry and frustration every single time I think about the kind of world my ‪#‎Rugrats‬ have to be raised in. However, to strike out with unprovoked gunfire is nothing short of dishonorable and self destructive. I am beyond saddened for the victims of this random and senseless act of violence. It is not escalation but communication that will bring about justice. Be angry about what happened to ‪#‎AltonSterling‬ and ‪#‎PhilandoCastile‬. But don't be stupid. THIS SOLVES NOTHING. If nothing else, all you have accomplished is giving LEO's even more reason to be afraid for their own lives. Which can only potentially lead to more senseless deaths. ‪#‎DontTakeTheBait‬

I will continue to speak out for justice and peace for all of us. I am not deterred. But my eyes are wide open. And I have a bad feeling that things are going to get worse before they get better. Loss of human life is NEVER acceptable. If you are outraged at the two men being killed the last two days but you're not outraged at the loss of these officers who ran TOWARDS the danger tonight, we are definitely NOT on the same page. And you are definitely part of the problem.

Hug your families a little tighter tonight. This is a truly jacked up situation we are in. God help us all. And to Officer Jenkins - I really hope you're ok and with your family tonight.

‪#‎OneLove‬
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Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
They're fucking nutjobs that decided to do what made them feel good at the moment. I wish Johnson survived so he could see first hand the damage that his actions have and will cause.
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This is looking at things too simply. Yeah, I think you'd have to be fucking crazy to do this. But they weren't just berserkers who lost it and lashed out. Several people got together, planned this, and executed it in unison. There was a thought pattern here. I don't understand what it was but saying that they were just crazy doesn't get us anywhere. I don't understand how they could be clear thinking enough to carry all of this out but completely unable to predict the completely obvious outcome of the act. Which makes me think sort of backward slide is what they intended. I do not understand what their ideology or goal was at this point. And I think it's important that we understand that to properly parse all of this going forward.
 
Ponn01 said:
That's part of what I was trying to say and needs to be talked about more. I've been in some therapy groups with veterans and its some pretty intense shit. They aren't trainded to 'protect a country', thats just propaganda for the people back home to be ok with what they are doing in other countries. Military is trained to kill enemies and to an extent protect their comrades in arms, period. They are trained to get into a certain mind set and when the government and military is done with them they get thrown back into society with no help for the mental issues this training and experience causes them. On top of that for people at this age this is pretty much all then know. This is a HUGE contributing factor to what happened here but because its the ugly side of the military people don't want to talk about or deal with we aren't going to hear a peep about this aspect.
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This right here.

My father was in the Army, and that's a big reason why I'm personally so disillusioned with it. Not the soldiers, mind you, but the institution. He had issues, big ones, and they didn't care one bit. Thankfully he's doing good now that he's away from it and has found something to do with his life on the outside, but it wasn't an easy life to this point.
 
I like what Tim Wise has to say about it:

Black Lives Matter is no more to blame for the Dallas shootings than Grover Norquist was to blame for Joe Stack flying his Cessna into the IRS building in Austin in 2010
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But of course, Joe Stack and Grover Norquist were/are white, so white people as a whole didn't get blamed.
 
SliceSabre said:
Fucking hell man. That is going to set everything back that people have been trying to achieve with the movement. I'm terrified this means a significant uptick in the amount of blacks that will be killed by cops this year. Killing cops is not the answer and just gives ammo to the people who don't want to believe cops can do wrong.
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Yes but I see a worse behavior which is somehow excusing those that already want to be assholes from actions yourself you can do to help the movement. People entrenched on BLM have been since the ferguson riots or eric garner cop killings. This may bring in more but I'm sick of this notion being put out as if one side wasn't already firmly anti black or at the least very apathetic to them. Trump polls have shown it's not a small portion of the country either who feels strongly about this issue either but rather a sizeable minority. The shooter had no intention of helping BLM considering he shot up a BLM event. He had the mindset of a lone wolf out for his own sense of satisfaction, if people can't be real about that they are part of the problem.

SliceSabre said:
The right is going to use this the scare white people into believing BLM is a violent black power movement and should be ignored or even suppressed.
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True but I will be more disgusted by the public or the left not calling their bullshit out for what it is. The same for the public not dealing with any leader who refuses to see how this is national issue that puts everyone in danger.
 
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