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Should I quit PC gaming?
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Fallout-NL
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siege said:
True, but the time-span between the must have games _almost_ requires you to upgrade some part of your pc each time one those games come out. Minor exaggeration, but there is some truth to this.
but
Although good pc games are far and few between, when you finally get your hands on one, its something special, its very different to a console game. Id like to refer to this as the aura of pc gaming.
You should never, ever have to buy a $500 video card. I'd have to call anyone who does insane, when you can get something really fucking close for under half the cost.
As far as price goes, PC gaming is only really expensive if you need the absolute latest games to run at the absolute best settings. If you have an ounce of patience, it isn't bad at all. Heck, PC game prices tend to drop much, much faster than console game prices.
I can understand someone not liking PC gaming if their idea of it is buying the latest everything, but why avoid years upon years of excellent PC games (ranging from turn-based strategy to doujin shooter to FPS and then some) when pretty much everybody here already has a machine capable of playing tons of them? And as for the big-name high-requirement stuff, why not wait a while and play it when it's cheap?
I'm not saying that a PC is all you need, but I can't imagine anyone not having a box around that can play some of this stuff.
"Good pc games are far and few between. When you finally get your hands on one though, its something special, its very different to a console game. Id like to refer to this as the aura of pc gaming."
PC Gaming 2000
Diablo II
Thief II: The Metal Age
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Unreal Tournament
Deus Ex
The Sims
Sacrifice
Counter Strike
Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
Everquest ROK and SOL
No One Lives Forever
Homeworld
NHL 2001
The Longest Journey
Shogun: Total War
Giants: Citizen Kabuto
MechWarrior 4: Vengeance
Command & Conquer Red Alert 2
Icewind Dale
Aliens Versus Predator
American McGee's Alice
2001
IL-2 Sturmovik
Black & White
Max Payne
Civilization III
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Shogun: Total War Warlord Edition
Dark Age of Camelot
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction
Tribes 2
Clive Barker's Undying
Command & Conquer Yuri's Revenge
Serious Sam: The First Encounter
Flight Simulator 2002
Monopoly Tycoon
Gothic
Anachronox
2002
Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos
Battlefield 1942
Grand Theft Auto III
The Sims Deluxe
No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way
Medal of Honor Allied Assault
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
Mafia
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2003
Age of Mythology
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Neverwinter Nights
Medieval: Total War
Unreal Tournament 2003
Freedom Force
Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
Hitman 2: Silent Assassin
Dungeon Siege
Dark Age of Camelot: Shrouded Isles
Syberia
Icewind Dale II
MechWarrior 4: Mercenaries
Sid Meier's SimGolf
Rallisport Challenge
2003
Call of Duty
Rise of Nations
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Championship Manager 4
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell
Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory
Halo: Combat Evolved
Midnight Club II
SimCity 4
Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark
Command & Conquer: Generals
Age of Mythology: The Titans
Freelancer
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield
Homeworld 2
Tron 2.0
Final Fantasy XI
Beyond Good & Evil
MotoGP 2
Railroad Tycoon 3
Colin McRae Rally 3
America's Army: Special Forces
PlanetSide
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon
2004
Half-Life 2
World of Warcraft
Unreal Tournament 2004
Rome: Total War
Far Cry
Pro Evolution Soccer 4
The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay
The Sims 2
Sid Meier's Pirates!
EVE Online: Exodus
Doom 3
Counter-Strike: Source
Rise of Nations: Thrones & Patriots
Call of Duty: United Offensive
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow
Thief: Deadly Shadows
City of Heroes
EverQuest II
RollerCoaster Tycoon 3
The Lord of the Rings, The Battle for Middle-earth
Painkiller
TOCA Race Driver 2: The Ultimate Racing Simulator
2005
Battlefield 2
Guild Wars
F.E.A.R.
Civilization IV
Psychonauts
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Call of Duty 2
Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30
World Soccer Winning Eleven 8 International
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
SWAT 4
Darwinia
GTR FIA Racing
Fable: The Lost Chapters
City of Villains
Age of Empires III
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War: Winter Assault
Quake 4
Day of Defeat: Source
Need for Speed Most Wanted
(Note that this list I made per year is only for standout games, there are many more games per year that were good but I did not put on this list cause you probably never heard of them nor will ever play them, and some were console ports you already played a long time ago)
Just cause you know nothing about pc gaming and what is actually on pc doesnt mean good pc games are far and few. PC has always had the best games ever made and the ones that give you the most value, ones you can play for upwards of 5 years if you desire. Also every single must have console game from every system has been ported to PC at some point.
Maybe you should look at the library of a single console like xbox or gamecube and compare it to how many pc games have been released in the same amount of time. PS2 so far has been the only console to keep up with good game releases at the same rate as pc gaming.
PC Gaming 2000
Diablo II
Thief II: The Metal Age
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Unreal Tournament
Deus Ex
The Sims
Sacrifice
Counter Strike
Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
Everquest ROK and SOL
No One Lives Forever
Homeworld
NHL 2001
The Longest Journey
Shogun: Total War
Giants: Citizen Kabuto
MechWarrior 4: Vengeance
Command & Conquer Red Alert 2
Icewind Dale
Aliens Versus Predator
American McGee's Alice
2001
IL-2 Sturmovik
Black & White
Max Payne
Civilization III
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Shogun: Total War Warlord Edition
Dark Age of Camelot
Diablo II: Lord of Destruction
Tribes 2
Clive Barker's Undying
Command & Conquer Yuri's Revenge
Serious Sam: The First Encounter
Flight Simulator 2002
Monopoly Tycoon
Gothic
Anachronox
2002
Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos
Battlefield 1942
Grand Theft Auto III
The Sims Deluxe
No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way
Medal of Honor Allied Assault
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
Mafia
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2003
Age of Mythology
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Neverwinter Nights
Medieval: Total War
Unreal Tournament 2003
Freedom Force
Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
Hitman 2: Silent Assassin
Dungeon Siege
Dark Age of Camelot: Shrouded Isles
Syberia
Icewind Dale II
MechWarrior 4: Mercenaries
Sid Meier's SimGolf
Rallisport Challenge
2003
Call of Duty
Rise of Nations
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Championship Manager 4
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell
Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory
Halo: Combat Evolved
Midnight Club II
SimCity 4
Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark
Command & Conquer: Generals
Age of Mythology: The Titans
Freelancer
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield
Homeworld 2
Tron 2.0
Final Fantasy XI
Beyond Good & Evil
MotoGP 2
Railroad Tycoon 3
Colin McRae Rally 3
America's Army: Special Forces
PlanetSide
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon
2004
Half-Life 2
World of Warcraft
Unreal Tournament 2004
Rome: Total War
Far Cry
Pro Evolution Soccer 4
The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay
The Sims 2
Sid Meier's Pirates!
EVE Online: Exodus
Doom 3
Counter-Strike: Source
Rise of Nations: Thrones & Patriots
Call of Duty: United Offensive
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow
Thief: Deadly Shadows
City of Heroes
EverQuest II
RollerCoaster Tycoon 3
The Lord of the Rings, The Battle for Middle-earth
Painkiller
TOCA Race Driver 2: The Ultimate Racing Simulator
2005
Battlefield 2
Guild Wars
F.E.A.R.
Civilization IV
Psychonauts
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Call of Duty 2
Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30
World Soccer Winning Eleven 8 International
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
SWAT 4
Darwinia
GTR FIA Racing
Fable: The Lost Chapters
City of Villains
Age of Empires III
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War: Winter Assault
Quake 4
Day of Defeat: Source
Need for Speed Most Wanted
(Note that this list I made per year is only for standout games, there are many more games per year that were good but I did not put on this list cause you probably never heard of them nor will ever play them, and some were console ports you already played a long time ago)
Just cause you know nothing about pc gaming and what is actually on pc doesnt mean good pc games are far and few. PC has always had the best games ever made and the ones that give you the most value, ones you can play for upwards of 5 years if you desire. Also every single must have console game from every system has been ported to PC at some point.
Maybe you should look at the library of a single console like xbox or gamecube and compare it to how many pc games have been released in the same amount of time. PS2 so far has been the only console to keep up with good game releases at the same rate as pc gaming.
RevenantKioku
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RevenantKioku
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Lukkas said:
No, I've played a fair chunk of those games, and to me, they're hardly enough reason to PC game.
It's a platform that demands too much from the end user. In my old age, I've gotten impatient. Plus, I needs my JRPGs.
1) Don't give up PC gaming. Just be smarter about how you approach it.
2) Wow, looking at Lukkas's big game list, 2005 really did suck for PC gaming. No wonder I barely used mine to game, whereas I spent a ton of time PC gaming in 2003 an 2004.
3) 2006 is looking up for PC game releases. This is why you shouldn't give up PC gaming at the moment. It is all cyclical anyway. Rough times and good times for any platform.
2) Wow, looking at Lukkas's big game list, 2005 really did suck for PC gaming. No wonder I barely used mine to game, whereas I spent a ton of time PC gaming in 2003 an 2004.
3) 2006 is looking up for PC game releases. This is why you shouldn't give up PC gaming at the moment. It is all cyclical anyway. Rough times and good times for any platform.
Fallout-NL
Member
Lukkas said:
Dude, youve got Need for Speed Most wanted and Fable in that list, youre not going to make a point doing that. And I was talking more of the last 2 years.
Oh and Ive played a lot of those games, and a lot of them were real shitty. My patience for mediocrity has run out. I need triple or at least double A games and 80% of the stuff you mentioned just isnt gonna cut it. This doesnt mean that its any better on the consoles, gaming has gone downhill in general anyway. But you cant be a gamer anymore just owning a PC.
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
polg said:
Yeah, except most of the best games of all time. Ignorance really is bliss, I guess.
Mrbob said:
2005 sucked for PC gaming ? Compared to what ? Guild Wars, Battlefield 2, and Call of Duty 2 were some of the best selling pc games ever to date while games like FEAR, Civ IV, and Psychonauts were the highest rated games of the year.
What was xboxs big game in 05 ? an expansion pack to Ninja Gaiden ?
what about gamecube? A game that sold way less than it deserved is is being ported to PC and already on PS2.
PS2 was the only console in 05 to pump out good games on a consistant basis, and has been since release.
Fallout-NL
Member
Lukkas said:
Dude youre missing the point. I dont give a flying fuck what system Im playing on, if its a quality game, for the love of god, let me have it. Im just saying that you pretty much need every platform out there to get trough a single year. And the PC's an expensive platform indeed, my PC isnt half bad (far cry ran pretty smooth) but FEAR was downright unplayable.
Fallout-NL said:
hahaha are you being sarcastic ? all of those games are listed are like ALL over 85% on gamerankings. and the top rated games per year from those lists were GOTY across the board on most sites and awards.
you really have no clue, you dont have ot lie and say you played a lot of those games.
Pimpbaa said:
no its not. theres lots of mmorpgs, single player rpgs, adventure games, action games, sports games, racing games, sims, and even some platformers for pc. pc has as much variety as any single console if not more. why dont you actually read and see what those games i posted are instead of skimming the list and assuming every game is either a rts or fps.
if you think about it pcs actually have more variety than consoles. name me a console that has a mmorpg, a jrpg, a western rpg, a fps, a sim, a rts, an adventure game, a racing game, a flight game, a sports game, and a platformer. ill help you, there isnt a single console that has all of these genres, pc does though.
Fallout-NL said:
Not to mention Black & White. I think if had I convinvced a friend to get a hot gaming rig to play B&W, and they dumped some good cash for a graphics card and maybe a new processor/mobo/RAM, they'd be justified in punching me in the balls to express their sheer disappointent and disgust.
Other notable offenders:
- Jedi Outcast (it was okay, the online/multiplayer saved its ass, but Jedi Academy was definitely better)
- Dungeon Siege (snoozefest)
- Halo (for PC? Are you kidding me?)
And along side the shoddy Halo port goes numerous other games listed that had console releases as good as or better than their PC counterparts.
I'm not arguing anyone should give up PC gaming (I certainly haven't), but those lists aren't exactly stellar reasons to stick with it.
Fallout-NL
Member
Lukkas said:
I had to resort to an MMO for all of 2005.
And I can name plenty shit games that have over 85% on gamerankings, those averages dont say anything.
Ristamar said:
Yes, exactly the point im trying to make.
bengraven
Member
If you're willing to part with that completely fucking awesome collection of games, then maybe you should switch. Regardless, you can't ask GAF which to choose, PC or console, because PC gamers will swear by PC gaming till the day they die and consolers won't ever change their ways.
It's like asking a group of people made up of KKKers and Black Panthers which is the superior race: white or black?
PS: I want to buy your Daggerfall and Ultima VII very badly. :lol
PSS and edit: Ignore Lukkas's post, since he obviously didn't read your first post. Most of the games in his list are console ports, FPSs, and RTSs. Honestly, if you're bored of FPSs and hate RTSs, then I'd go console in a heartbeat. You're an RPG fan and there are only two or three good RPGs coming out for PCs in the next three years. Compared to consoles...
It's like asking a group of people made up of KKKers and Black Panthers which is the superior race: white or black?
PS: I want to buy your Daggerfall and Ultima VII very badly. :lol
PSS and edit: Ignore Lukkas's post, since he obviously didn't read your first post. Most of the games in his list are console ports, FPSs, and RTSs. Honestly, if you're bored of FPSs and hate RTSs, then I'd go console in a heartbeat. You're an RPG fan and there are only two or three good RPGs coming out for PCs in the next three years. Compared to consoles...
Fallout-NL
Member
Lukkas said:
Maybe there's some misunderstanding here. I love pc gaming, I will always be a pc gamer, but you've probably noticed as well that the PC has had better days? Thats sort of what Im trying to get across here.
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
Pimpbaa said:
You forgot simulations, strategy games (not turn-based ones), independent games (which include lots of 2D platformers, RPGs, and stuff), and "quirky" games that don't fit into any genre--all genres in which PCs are clearly dominant.
Of course, if you don't like ANY of the genres PCs are strong in, you have pretty poor and narrow taste in games.
bengraven said:
not true. im a pc gamer at heart, but ive owned every single console minus dreamcast and n64. my console game collection is far far far greater combined than my pc collection.
but this forum is full of blind console fanboys that think all pcs have is fps and rts and you cant have a good pc unless it cost 3000 dollars and came from either Dell or Alienware so i just gotta set them straight
notice that i didnt reply to this orginal thread starts post and try to convince him of anything , but rather the stupid statements some people have made.
Fallout-NL
Member
Lukkas said:
So you see (maybe even a fraction of) my point?
Aight, but thats not who I am. So relax
.Fallout-NL said:
no i dont think there's been better days. its always been good, just like console gaming has always been good. what youre talking about is nostalgia, just like when console only players talk about the good old days of snes and psx and how games will never be that good again, when infact, games have always been getting better and better.
Pimpbaa
Slop Inspector
Chairman Yang said:
Except all those genres are rare these days on pc. I used to love simulations. What the hell happened to them? They used to be one of the dominate genres on the PC.
I used to love the genres the PC is strong in. But you can only play the same shit so many times before you get tired of it. I was tired of first person shooters since since freakin quake 2 (and all the games based on that engine at the time), and starcraft was pretty much the last RTS game I enjoyed. The genres of games on pc are becoming increasing more focused and less creative. I was utterly baffled at the praise f.e.a.r got. It was the most generic and repetive shooter I have played since doom 3.
bengraven
Member
Lukkas said:
I was both, too, but I've always aimed more toward consoles. For the last five years I was a steady PC gamer, but I switched back since I didn't want to upgrade. I still have my computer for Morrowind and NWN and emus, for example. My problem is that a lot of the forums I go to (and maybe I unfairly considered this one, too) is that the second you say the word "console", the PC gamers freak out and start screaming about "downgraded" or simplified games. It's simply not true and the elitism kills me. For example, every time you say "Xbox", there's always someone talking about how all Xbox has is Halo (go ahead, check this topic, I promise there has to be at least one post), when that's not true. Or how Gamecube is about the children, which isn't true (RE, Killer 7, come to mind).
I'm just saying that most game forum users aim one way or the other so it's going to be hard to get help in that respect.
And yes, I realized you were talking to other people with your post and I apologize.
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
Pimpbaa said:
A brief look at Mobygames turned up this list of ONE HUNDRED simulations released in 2005 for the PC (granted, some of that list is miscategorized).
http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/simulation/2005/windows/
Seriously, take a deeper look at PC games--the ones published by independent devs, or European publishers, or just the ones that don't get a lot of hype--and you'll find great stuff.
Pimpbaa said:
Speaking of which, you should also take a look at some unconventional RTSes that play nothing like Starcraft or its ilk. Rome: Total War (make sure to get one of the excellent mods--Total Realism is a good one), Europa Universalis 2, Hearts of Iron 2, and Dragonshard are all good to great. People lump too many games together under the RTS label despite them being so different from each other; I mean, no one would put Ninja Gaiden and Psychonauts in the same category (3D action/adventure games)--why do they do the same with RTSes?
Lukkas said:
Don't care for Guild Wars, BF2 is all right but it really isn't my thing, and I have CoD2.
FEAR is brilliant, but it is the only great PC game of 2005 in my opinion. I have Psychonouts for the PC too, and the game is good, but not great. Don't care for Civ games either.
I didn't say anything about consoles, so don't get so defensive.
If you are asking me about overall in gaming, 2005 pretty much sucked whether you were a console gamer or a PC gamer. Many good games, but not a lot of great games and not many standout titles.
BunnyLifeguard
Member
Lukkas said:
Dude, stop it.
We don't talk about "10 full-versions" on a cd for 5 $ here, but of innovative AAA-titles.
Considering this generation of consoles, this starts with Shenmue and ends with the likes of Okami. The list is ENDLESS.
A true console-gamer -as a true pc-gamer owns a high end-rig- most likely owns all currently available consoles. And PC-gaming doesn't stand a chance against that package, except for RTS and MMORPG. But even this will change in the future.
And: FPSs are not pc-homeland anymore. By no means.
Pimpbaa
Slop Inspector
Chairman Yang said:
Did you even look at that list?! It includes stuff like 7 sins, Driv3r, and Playboy the Mansion. Simulations as in flight sims or other vehicles. Also, games by independent developers and often a lot of european developers lack the polish I like in my games (I'm after trying a lot of european rpgs).
It may be wrong to lump them under RTS (just like it would be wrong to lump theif deadly shadows under FPS). But I tried a lot, didn't like any of them. I can still play first person shooters, but real time strategy is pretty much dead to me.
BunnyLifeguard said:
i have no clue of what you said or are trying to say. a true console gamer owns all available consoles ? no sorry, that would be a hardcore gamer. your average to hobbyist gamer usually only owns 1 console and a pc he might play a few games on like counter strike or WoW
cicero
Member
Quick, leave now before you have to deal with this horrific decline!@#Borys said:Yeah, go ahead.
From the list you posted you seem like a RPG kind of guy.
The golden times of PC RPGS are over. You'll find all your favourite future PC RPG titles (Oblivion, Fallout 3, Bioshock etc.) on the 360. Dumbed down, yes, but way, way, way cheaper ($299 and you're set till 2010! No need to upgrade a single component. Bargain of the century!).
Ultima is dead, Baldur's Gate turned into mindless console crap (Dark Alliance)...
*sigh*
Those times will never come back:
Dungeons & Dragons Online: Stormreach
Titan Quest
Hellgate: London
Neverwinter Nights 2
The Witcher
Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures
Gothic 3
Dragon Age
Chronicles of Spellborn
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
Pimpbaa said:
Yes...that's why I said some games were miscategorized. There are still plenty of vehicle/flight sims on that list. If you can completely dismiss ALL of the games on there, I suspect PC gaming won't interest you no matter how good it is.
Pimpbaa said:
Did you try the ones I listed? You have to sort through the crap with PC gaming, just the same as with console or handheld gaming.
Pimpbaa
Slop Inspector
Chairman Yang said:
Some? A good many of them. Still tho, there are a few there that might interest me.
I really don't like to buy games of a genre I don't like. Just like I don't like platformers on consoles, every supposed good one I try (like psychonaughts) or supposed good first person shooters (see what I said about F.E.A.R) I find dreadfully boring. I have a hard enough time keeping up with the games I do like.
Lukkas said:
Yes.
Because we all know that an HDTV is only used for console gaming.
Let me go ahead and spell it out.
Get an HDTV because not only will it give you the ultimate experience in console gaming, but it can also be used to watch High Definition TV Programming and it can also be used for next generation DVD watching whether it be Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, or both.
Plus, women fucking love guys that have HDTV's. The bigger the better.
emomoonbase
I'm free 2night after my LARPing guild meets.
I'd say either pick pc gaming OR console gaming. Trying to keep up in the video card race and the console war is a recipe for disaster. I bagged the PC gaming after the Geforce 5600 came out and haven't looked back. Yeah, I missed out on some good games but there's still like a trillion console games I haven't played yet and there is only so many hours in a day.
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