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[ElTorro]

only in German.
http://www.mdr.de/thueringen/sued-thueringen/suhl-auseinandersetzungen-fluechtlingsheim100.html

90 medics, 125 police officers.
At least 15 people wounded, some with knife wounds.

This is obviously ridiculous. However, to asses the potential for religious lunacy accurately, one needs to look at the total number of incidents compared to the number of refugees. Some incidents will happen necessarily if the number of refugees is high.

I don't doubt that religious conservatism is a quite wide-spread issue. The question is how much actual trouble it would cause. I highly doubt that this risk can offset the humanitarian imperative to help all people fleeing from unstable regions. As I wrote, I also see an opportunity here to place the seed of liberal values.

 

[Xando]

Just read this article on the Guardian website.
Holy shit at the first graphic. EU (especially UK and France) should be ashamed.

 

[RustyNails]

why doesn't Middle East countries step up efforts to help neighboring refugees?

It's fun to poop on Europe while Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait don't give a fuck

Gutter trash opens his mouth, and trash spews forth. Did you know Lebanon accepted what amounts to be 1/4th of entire Labenons population when it comes to syrian refugees?

 

[CoolOff]

Just read this article on the Guardian website.
Holy shit at the first graphic. EU (especially UK and France) should be ashamed.

Lol Spain.

Is there anyone left in Syria at this point? 18 million population in 2014, with 4 million refugees in the same year. Its gonna be empty in a couple of years at this rate.

Edit:

http://www.statista.com/statistics/264689/countries-with-the-highest-population-decline-rate/

Jesus, 10% yearly.

 

[Paganmoon]

Lol Spain.

Is there anyone left in Syria at this point? 18 million population in 2014, with 4 million refugees in the same year. Its gonna be empty in a couple of years at this rate.

Edit:

http://www.statista.com/statistics/264689/countries-with-the-highest-population-decline-rate/

Jesus, 10% yearly.

That's fucked up.

There's a fucking mass exodus, to pretty much any country available (they're fleeing to fucking Iraq...), but right wing nutters still frame it as "they all come to my country only for the benefits!"

 

[michaelius]

Would ISIS muslim be allowed to pretend he is Christian for few years before making suicide attack by his faith ?

 

[BigDes]

Would ISIS muslim be allowed to pretend he is Christian for few years before making suicide attack by his faith ?

Yes, he would be allowed to do all of this

What a bizarre question

 

[Chariot]

only in German.
http://www.mdr.de/thueringen/sued-thueringen/suhl-auseinandersetzungen-fluechtlingsheim100.html

90 medics, 125 police officers.
At least 15 people wounded, some with knife wounds.
7 police cars, 1 ambulance and two private cars damaged.

Oh dear. This is terrible.

 

[speculawyer]

The should absolutely not bar migrants just because they are Muslim.


However . . . I can see them not wanting to accept migrants that:
-Don't accept women as full equal members of society
-Don't believe that homosexuals should have full & equal rights
-Don't accept freedom of speech that allows citizens to criticize all politics, religions, ideas, etc.


And therein lies the rub.

 

[speculawyer]

Gutter trash opens his mouth, and trash spews forth. Did you know Lebanon accepted what amounts to be 1/4th of entire Labenons population when it comes to syrian refugees?

Well, he mentioned Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait. He did not mention Lebanon or Jordan.

 

[RustyNails]

Well, he mentioned Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait. He did not mention Lebanon or Jordan.

Thats just an example. Turkey and Saudi Arabia both accepted Syrian refugees. There is plenty to crticize Gulf countries without having to feign indignation at made up bullshit.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

only in German.
http://www.mdr.de/thueringen/sued-thueringen/suhl-auseinandersetzungen-fluechtlingsheim100.html

90 medics, 125 police officers.
At least 15 people wounded, some with knife wounds.
7 police cars, 1 ambulance and two private cars damaged.

This is a part of life for refugees. Many people get raped and abused in mass refugee camps. particularly in Africa. People are sick, delirious, shock, PTSD and other mental issues.
Plus, being stationary, uncertain, afraid, and unknowing if everyone you know back home is dead leads to many other psychosomatic symptoms.


The truth is- Dealing with refugees is costly in every way imaginable, but it is a cost that cannot be avoided. They are climbing under trucks going 90 MPH over the autobahn. They just ran a segment here with a syrian mother who was 8 months pregnant who lost grip from under a truck that was going to the UK. she and the baby died.

This is going to get worse. desperation will lead these people everywhere, and it will end hurting all european societies. Marcedonia, Poland and Hungary do not want them, and politicians fear backslash from national parties who are already heavily anti-immigration and anti muslim.
The EU powers cannot agree on an accord of how many to take. So now it's just wild game.

 

[ElTorro]

However . . . I can see them not wanting to accept migrants that:

While I understand your sentiment towards such migrants, we are not talking about general migrants, but about refugees.

 

[Foutrologue]

Well, he mentioned Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait. He did not mention Lebanon or Jordan.

And Lebanon isn't a purely Muslim country like the ones mentioned above... prior to the civil war it was predominantly Christian (The president is always Christian btw..per the constitution, while the prime minister has to be Sunni..etc).. and well it has the biggest frontier with Syria... so they don't really have no choice with all the refugees coming in... similar to Jordan which btw is also a special case in the middle east terms of politics...

 

[KillerMan91]

Just read this article on the Guardian website.
Holy shit at the first graphic. EU (especially UK and France) should be ashamed.

Yeah. Especially as it's UK and France that have meddled with middle east for centuries and it's partly their fault the situation has come to this. Meanwhile countries like Sweden that has had nothing to do with the region are taking far more refugees. Disgusting.

 

[Foutrologue]

Yeah. Especially as it's UK and France that have meddled with middle east for centuries and it's partly their fault the situation has come to this. Meanwhile countries like Sweden that has had nothing to do with the region are taking far more refugees. Disgusting.

But France an the UK already have a buttload of legal and illegal immigrants issues right about now. I don't see how France especially could handle eve more refugees frankly.

 

[nib95]

The city of Mecca should take in the Christian refugees

What an immature and pointless response. What does that even have to do with this? Then again it is you, so I suppose it's not altogether surprising...

 

[kittoo]

I am neutral over this. I can see the plight of the refugees, but I can also see Europe's hesitation in accepting Muslim immigrants. Integrating them has been a severe problem with Europe, and immigrants also have higher crime rates over there. With the recent problems of terrorism, I cant fault Europe really.
Its an interesting situation. I would really like to see how Europe deals with it and where it takes them in some 40-50 years.
I am neither Christian nor Muslim, though.

 

[spekkeh]

The truth is- Dealing with refugees is costly in every way imaginable, but it is a cost that cannot be avoided. They are climbing under trucks going 90 MPH over the autobahn. They just ran a segment here with a syrian mother who was 8 months pregnant who lost grip from under a truck that was going to the UK. she and the baby died.

Why not stay in Germany if you're eight months pregnant.

 

[Frustrated_me]

They just want to leave Syria, at any cost...

 

[Tenebrous]

Just read this article on the Guardian website.
Holy shit at the first graphic. EU (especially UK and France) should be ashamed.

It's not that simple.

Germany is much larger than England where we seem to home the vast majority of UK asylum seekers. Germany's population has also been in decline for the past 12 years or so, while the UK population is ballooning at a pretty astonishing rate.

The only way I can see us taking more asylum seekers than we currently do is if we move projects up to Scotland, and at that point, they're probably better off staying in Syria in the first place.

Spoiler

That was a bad joke, don't shoot me. But yeah, send them to Scotland.

 

[spekkeh]

Thats just an example. Turkey and Saudi Arabia both accepted Syrian refugees. There is plenty to crticize Gulf countries without having to feign indignation at made up bullshit.

How many Alawi refugees would Saudi Arabia have taken in?

(I know it's a moot question as they would never flee to there)

It's a sectarian conflict in the first place, though obviously European nations should be the better one.

 

[PillarEN]

I'm from a neighboring country. The vibes among the general population are likely similar. The average citizen equates Muslim with different way of life, different clothes, different politics and they are afraid that one or two of them could be radical. All that then goes to the next step where they are afraid that if they appease the Muslim population soon they will step all over them and spread everywhere.

So it's a simple matter of being different enough and then being associated with modern day terrorism (each generation will think of something else when that word comes up. For this generation it is middle eastern folk). A sense of danger or fear is what people feel. In the end it is fear of an outsider. You still get these vibes from other non Muslim groups but to a much lesser degree. In current times the Muslim is the boogie man here in Central Europe.

 

[Valhelm]

What a fucking gross post

Why?

Slovakia's bigotry is awful here, especially because most Syrian and Iraqi refugees are Muslim, but Saudi Arabia is a more developed, geographically larger, and culturally compatible country than Slovakia but has admitted essentially no refugees. We shouldn't hold them to a different standard than a European nation.

The Middle Eastern countries who are stepping up to the plate are much less able to handle refugees than the Gulf states are.

 

[Ganzlinger]

It's a different culture, so there is a fear of tension coming from clash of values. At least they are offering help to other Syrians, it's better than nothing. Discrimination is always bad but in case of refugees, helping a few is better than none.

 

[speculawyer]

Why?

Slovakia's bigotry is awful here, especially because most Syrian and Iraqi refugees are Muslim, but Saudi Arabia is a more developed, geographically larger, and culturally compatible country than Slovakia but has admitted essentially no refugees. We shouldn't hold them to a different standard than a European nation.

The Middle Eastern countries who are stepping up to the plate are much less able to handle refugees than the Gulf states are.

Saudi Arabia is too busy creating new refugees in Yemen.

 

[God Dayumm]

Just wondering, couldn't they just lie about their religion then? How is anyone going to find out.

They can. This is a tactic to weed out the fundamentalists whose religion is more important than their own lives

 

[PJV3]

I don't know what to think anymore, I think we should help but it just boosts the right wing and the conversation becomes toxic.

These are shit times politically in Europe.

 

[Kysen]

only in German.
http://www.mdr.de/thueringen/sued-thueringen/suhl-auseinandersetzungen-fluechtlingsheim100.html

90 medics, 125 police officers.
At least 15 people wounded, some with knife wounds.
7 police cars, 1 ambulance and two private cars damaged.

This is what happens when you let them in. The media likes to paint the screwed up countries leaders as the crazy ones(syria, iraq etc). When in actual fact its the people which allow the madness to continue. Rather than run away they should fix their country.

All that violence over a book.

 

[Xando]

It's not that simple.

Germany is much larger than England where we seem to home the vast majority of UK asylum seekers. Germany's population has also been in decline for the past 12 years or so, while the UK population is ballooning at a pretty astonishing rate.

The UK is according to wikipedia a total landmass of 242 km² while Germany has a landmass of 357 km² while receiving about 9.5k applications in the last 6 months compared to Germanys ~ 150k. I mean if you look at the Data from eurostat Sweden received more applications in three months than the UK in the first half of 2015.

To even more show you how little the UK (and others) are doing:
My Hometown of Hamburg (Population of 1.7-1.8 million) received a little more (around 14k (German)) refugees than the whole UK (Population of 64-65 million) in the first 6 months of 2015.

 

[Valhelm]

Saudi Arabia is too busy creating new refugees in Yemen.

Exactly. Actions by the Saudi government and some Saudi citizens have greatly contributed to the current refugee crisis, yet they receive no scrutiny. Not to mention the much more passive atrocities Saudi Arabia commits against the majority of its people who are not Sunni and male.

 

[paradise_circus]

This is what happens when you let them in. The media likes to paint the screwed up countries leaders as the crazy ones(syria, iraq etc). When in actual fact its the people which allow the madness to continue. Rather than run away they should fix their country.

All that violence over a book.

So all men should fight in the fronts instead trying to live in no violence.

 

[Grep]

I have to support this view.

I mean, the problem is that many life values that are "promoted" by EU bureaucracy (such as homosexualism, easy divorce etc.) are completely unacceptable by the culture of countries from which migrants originate from.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

We have trouble with a couple of millions?
How many people live near coasts? Going to be fun times at the end of this century when we start seeing the real effect of climate change. How about a billion refugees all over the world with no chance to ever return home because the place they called home just doesn't fucking exist anymore.

While last century the world faced great challanges in the form of world wars, the predominant challenges this century will be of a different nature. Namely: Massive amounts of people relocating involutarily.
What we are seeing now is basically just the rehearsal for the main event at the end of the century.

 

[Terra Firma]

Exactly. Actions by the Saudi government and some Saudi citizens have greatly contributed to the current refugee crisis, yet they receive no scrutiny. Not to mention the much more passive atrocities Saudi Arabia commits against the majority of its people who are not Sunni and male.

One is an autocratic monarchy. The other purports to be a democratic member of the EU.

 

[Sapphire Dreams]

why doesn't Middle East countries step up efforts to help neighboring refugees?

It's fun to poop on Europe while Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait don't give a fuck

Kuwaiti here.

There ARE refugees coming from Syria to Kuwait though their numbers are small and Kuwait is paying for humanitarian efforts towards the refugees in other camps and for the Syrian people inside Syria.

 

[KooopaKid]

lol at all the white knights in this thread when probably none would accept to invite a refugee in their own home.

 

[Az]

lol at all the white knights in this thread when probably none would accept to invite a refugee in their own home.

Alright, this is the best one so far.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

Don't see anything wrong with this.

They're more than willing to help but in order to do so they'll help on their own terms in a way which they feel is best for their country.

That's what governments are supposed to do.

 

[Africanus]

lol at all the white knights in this thread when probably none would accept to invite a refugee in their own home.

There is a difference between one person not having the capability to host a refugee and an entire country outright denying a certain group of refugees for their religious beliefs.

 

[Tenebrous]

The UK is according to wikipedia a total landmass of 242 km² while Germany has a landmass of 357 km² while receiving about 9.5k applications in the last 6 months compared to Germanys ~ 150k. I mean if you look at the Data from eurostat Sweden received more applications in three months than the UK in the first half of 2015.

To even more show you how little the UK (and others) are doing:
My Hometown of Hamburg (Population of 1.7-1.8 million) received a little more (around 14k (German)) refugees than the whole UK (Population of 64-65 million) in the first 6 months of 2015.

England is 130km², so not too far from 1/3rd of Germany. The UK can take more - England is struggling to cope. Scotland and Wales should be where they're relocated to.

 

[Valhelm]

One is an autocratic monarchy. The other purports to be a democratic member of the EU.

Sure, but I don't see why fucking Slovakia, a nation notable only for its geopolitical irrelevance, is obligated to accept refugees when wealthier, closer countries are refusing to do the same.

At the very least, could the Gulf states not use hire Syrian refugees as laborers, instead of importing Indians? I'd expect that they'd treat fellow Sunni Arabs more humanely.

 

[warthog]

It's hard to agree with what they do, but I can't completely disagree either.

 

[Business]

lol at all the white knights in this thread when probably none would accept to invite a refugee in their own home.

I was thinking the same...

 

[Condom]

lol at all the white knights in this thread when probably none would accept to invite a refugee in their own home.

Wtf, totally irrelevant. We're prepared to pay for their shelter, because we are good humans.

Casual fascism, good job christian democrats, you assholes

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

It's not that simple.

Germany is much larger than England where we seem to home the vast majority of UK asylum seekers. Germany's population has also been in decline for the past 12 years or so, while the UK population is ballooning at a pretty astonishing rate.

The only way I can see us taking more asylum seekers than we currently do is if we move projects up to Scotland, and at that point, they're probably better off staying in Syria in the first place.

Spoiler

That was a bad joke, don't shoot me. But yeah, send them to Scotland.

No thanks.

Scotland doesn't want them. We've got our own problems to deal with nvm taking on England's mess that they don't want to deal with anymore.

 

[Toxi]

The should absolutely not bar migrants just because they are Muslim.

However . . . I can see them not wanting to accept migrants that:
-Don't accept women as full equal members of society
-Don't believe that homosexuals should have full & equal rights
-Don't accept freedom of speech that allows citizens to criticize all politics, religions, ideas, etc.

And therein lies the rub.

Are those beliefs banned within their own borders?

It seems odd to me to ban immigrants for their beliefs from a country where those beliefs are legal.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

The UK is according to wikipedia a total landmass of 242 km² while Germany has a landmass of 357 km² while receiving about 9.5k applications in the last 6 months compared to Germanys ~ 150k. I mean if you look at the Data from eurostat Sweden received more applications in three months than the UK in the first half of 2015.

To even more show you how little the UK (and others) are doing:
My Hometown of Hamburg (Population of 1.7-1.8 million) received a little more (around 14k (German)) refugees than the whole UK (Population of 64-65 million) in the first 6 months of 2015.

People don't realise just how much of a shithole England is, there's little work and no hope for these people here. Social housing is barely existent anymore and the places that do have it are slums.

There's only two cities which are "booming" and that's inner Manchester and parts of London, and they're already huge magnets for people through more "offical" migration channels.

 

[Tenebrous]

No thanks.

Scotland doesn't want them. We've got our own problems to deal with nvm taking on England's mess that they don't want to deal with anymore.

Does England want them? Apparently not. The UK has to take some more responsibility, and it's almost always England that gets the task of doing so... Why not Scotland?

 

[KingSnake]

This is no surprise, it's coming from the same country who's MF declared that Greeks deserve the shit they've got because they wanted their "Greek Spring".

And the attitude is not unique to Slovakia.

This crisis is the second big one in which Europe has failed.