It's part of Saudia Arabia and non Muslims do live there.
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Slovakia ready to receive Syrian refugees but only if they are non-muslim.
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Assimilation of refugees is a fucking mess all over Europe. Ideally i personally don't really want anyone to burden my current country with further economic problems, but since refugees do keep coming there needs to be a solid plan for integration. That's the reality of the current situation.
Im not sure why some of you even wan't Slovakia to accept Muslim refugees after them already taking their current stance. I see it being worse than what they are doing now. Just imagine the clusterfuck that it will cause when the native population will hate them for their current religion.
Well there's also the slim possibility of Russia, USA and France etc to stop fucking around with their idiotic Realpolitik or at least take responsibility, but that's a stretch.
Im not sure why some of you even wan't Slovakia to accept Muslim refugees after them already taking their current stance. I see it being worse than what they are doing now. Just imagine the clusterfuck that it will cause when the native population will hate them for their current religion.
Nice, clever use of statistics, well done.
Vast parts of Scotland and Wales are just hills/mountains/valleys that you can;t really inhabit in great numbers. But then, you knew that, didn't you?
Mr. Giggles
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Ok....
And is there confirmation that those non-Muslim Syrians will not have any other troubles. I mean there's still things like the language and cultural divide.
And is there confirmation that those non-Muslim Syrians will not have any other troubles. I mean there's still things like the language and cultural divide.
Most of it is probably the welfare states that are collapsing. Socialism only works if noone cheats, which is already untenable, and the ageing society is speeding it up. So there's a lot of paranoia of possible moochers, and there have been scandals of asylum seekers and other immigrants being actively recruited in their home countries to 'come to Europe, get free money'. There are probably more normal fortune seekers than actual moochers and everybody here would do the same thing in their shoes of course but like I said paranoia. It's all fine but nimby.
In addition compared with the USA, the immigrants are also quite different. For one, no welfare state as mentioned above, but aside from that in the seventies European companies would go to the poorest places in Muslim countries to get seasonal workers. Only they never left and brought their families over. They were poorer and much more conservative than normal fortune seekers. A Muslim that despises the west would never willingly move to the great Satan, but to live with family in Europe, perhaps* (also due to geographical proximity). Open rejection of Western values (perhaps also as a reaction to discrimination), gays being attacked etc. has caused a lot of strife, something you would not see as much in the USA.
Of course this is talking about countries with big immigrant populations, of which Slovakia is definitely not one. There it may before classical xenophobia, which may have to do with similar forces as a remnant of communism, but that would be guessing.
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Don't think there's much that can be done on an EU level at this point, the nationalist rhetotic has seeped too far into most nations and more are to follow. I'm at least hoping that as long as Sweden is keeping its door open that my town will continue doing its part. It's just so goddamn sad that we can't muster something bolder and greater as a continent in the face of such a century defining event/disaster 
Miles Quaritch
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I mean, I don't believe fundamentalist Christians would be any easier to integrate than fundamentalist Muslims.
Gentleman Jack
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I don't think I'd have quite as strenuous an objection to this policy if it weren't arbitrarily cutting out the Muslims. If Slovakia wants to clamp down its borders to refugees fine, that's what it can do as a sovereign nation. But it wants only to keep Muslims out, making a broad political statement about the value of religion in assuming one's compatibility with the local culture. "Them muslims just wouldn't get along here" is a pretty xenophobic policy, and attempts to justify it 'because times of crisis' fall flat because it's not adequately explaining the religious sorting algorithm applied to each refugee.
It's nothing but trash.
Wait, you're comparing well off immigrants that fly intercontinental to Canada and proceed through normal immigration, only being allowed in with enough points, to immigrants that burn all their papers and take a chance being smuggled in a leaky dinghy with 300 other fatalistic sods that have nothing to lose, and wonder why your immigrants have less problems adapting?
Denton
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You Are Viewtiful
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Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan actually have millions of refugees from the region. I agree the Gulf countries could do a lot more though; but they were also housing hundreds of thousands of Syrian migrants (non-refugee) long before this whole war started.
Zvonimir Boban
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Man, some of you are heartless shitbags.
What does that mean, do only people who "hate Muslims" quote the Koran? Because I thought Muslims quoted the Koran a lot... are they self-loathing? Who is allowed to quote the Koran and who isn't?
When the guy who owns this website quotes the Koran, do you accuse him of hating Muslims also?
EviLore said:
Hey those are some of the same quotes... what do you have to say about them?
Regarding Mecca specifically:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_segregation#Saudi_Arabia
In the Holy City of Mecca, only Muslims are allowed. Non-Muslims may not enter or travel through Mecca; attempting to enter Mecca as a non-Muslim can result in penalties such as a fine;[19] being in Mecca as a non-Muslim can result in deportation.[23]
And Saudi Arabia in general:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_Arabia
The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic theocratic monarchy in which Sunni Islam is the official state religion and non-Muslims are not allowed to hold Saudi citizenship.[1] Children born to Muslim fathers are by law deemed Muslim, and conversion from Islam to another religion is considered apostasy and punishable by death. Blasphemy against Sunni Islam is also punishable by death, but the more common penalty is a long prison sentence. There have been no confirmed reports of executions for either apostasy or blasphemy in recent years.[2]
Religious freedom is virtually non-existent.[3] The Government does not provide legal recognition or protection for freedom of religion, and it is severely restricted in practice. As a matter of policy, the Government guarantees and protects the right to private worship for all, including non-Muslims who gather in homes for religious practice; however, this right is not always respected in practice and is not defined in law.
The Saudi Mutaween (Arabic: مطوعين
QuicheFontaine
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They'd just move to England
Darkangel
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Countries should have the right to control their borders any way they see fit. I'm not super familar with how the European Union works, but I'm guessing that member states have less sovereign power on that front. Slovakia's job is to do what is in the best interest of its own people first and foremost.
Purely anecdotal, but in my country (Canada) Christians seem to have a much easier time assimilating into the local culture. My province has a fairly large Lebanese Christian population that has fit in very well. On the other hand, the Egyptian and Syrian Muslims I knew in High School were more clichey and separated.
Europe, for a variety of reasons, is having a lot of issues with its immigrants. It's a lot easier to join a new country when you already have several traditions and celebrations in common with the native population. I've been told that Canada has stricter immigration guidelines than most Western European countries.
In my opinion it is probably a good move by Slovakia in the long run. It's better than not taking in anyone.
Purely anecdotal, but in my country (Canada) Christians seem to have a much easier time assimilating into the local culture. My province has a fairly large Lebanese Christian population that has fit in very well. On the other hand, the Egyptian and Syrian Muslims I knew in High School were more clichey and separated.
Europe, for a variety of reasons, is having a lot of issues with its immigrants. It's a lot easier to join a new country when you already have several traditions and celebrations in common with the native population. I've been told that Canada has stricter immigration guidelines than most Western European countries.
In my opinion it is probably a good move by Slovakia in the long run. It's better than not taking in anyone.
Lots of countries are stupid. Even with the desired immigrants (well-educated with money) lots of times they are half-assing the integration and then wonder why high-profile jobs aren't filled.
With asylum seekers it's even worse. Many countries don't care about integration at all and just let them have minimal social security, when in fact most of them want to work and live independently.
Most immigrants that come to Canada aren't well off. Many are refugees actually. I think the problem isn't the people but the environment that they are immigrating to. Sweden seems to be doing it right.
King Gilga
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There'd be nobody left in the country migrant or native if that was a requirement of living there.
But we are talking here about people who are already in Europe. And people who are desperately enough to risk their lives to arrive in Europe. It's not about opening the gates, it's about dealing with an existing and worsening crisis. And a decision taken by all the European leaders that nobody gives a shit about, it seems.
Also, it's a irony of the history here somewhere when the descendants of the migrating populations in Europe are more inclined to hate the migrants.
If you don't make eye contact with it, it will go away.
You Are Viewtiful
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Lol please. What a bunch of whiners. Go to Lebanon and then you'll see what too many refugee means. Instead we have Slovakians pissing their pants over 200 refugees LOL
So you would sooner watch them die than have them inconvenience you?
Ganzlinger
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Adding to what people are saying in this thread, Europeans are afraid of terrorism. Unfortunately, the Charlie Hebdo case, ISIS and other stuff make people irrational towards this situation.
Your Canada in other hand is a country that can receive well immigrants, it's rich, big with a small population, formed by immigrants, it doesn't have any trauma related to religious tension. The vast majority of your recent immigrants are east asians, though, so that also helps.
It's not like europe doesn't have a history of turning a blind eye.
Denton
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The only muslims I personally hate are those who kill people in the name of their religion, or support killing people (like apostates, gays etc) in the name of their religion.
Muslims who don't subscribe to this bullshit, I have no problem with.
Is that bad ?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Nah, they'd rather not watch them die either, but this is close to Europe's slogan.
"Our convenience matters more than your lives." -Europe (tm)
King Gilga
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If you replaced the word muslims with people would it still hold true?
Then no, it's obviously not bad, people who kill people and/or support killing people whether it be because or religion or not are scumbags.
humanity was a mistake it's nothing but trash
"If I don't look at the problem, then it doesn't exist"
Because this is totally the same thing, right?
Yeah, why not just let them die in the gutter.
Reading this made me realize how painfully ignorant I am about the current events. I mean I know that there are wars and atrocieties going on in the middle east but for some reason I never stopped to think or find out what kind of war is it? Unfortunately this is not a joke question, but can someone tell me what war is actually being fought over there? As in what countries etc. or is it more of a civil war kind of thing? Isis? Kind of ashamed of myself for not knowing this.
The worse things now are caused by three civil wars in Syria, Iraq and Libya and Isis is involved in all of them one way or another.
The biggest number of refugees is from Syria where everybody (from the government to Isis) is killing civilians on a terrific scale.
Lol, you think this is indicative of Islam? It's a huge portion of the global populace full stop. With or without religion, there are always going to be people who have questionable beliefs on all manner of things, including the above. It's why the Republican party in the US is so prominent, despite so many of their policies and beliefs being objectionable. And that's in a Western, democratic, educated, wealthy nation. Add in war, civil war, mass poverty, destruction, constant destabilisation, a break down of infrastructure and all the rest, the kind of things that routinely occur in some of these other nations (mostly as a result of earlier actions of the wealthier and more powerful nations) and then imagine the possibilities.
Which populations are you talking about? Jews and Roma?
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Are people really pretending that Saudi Arabia couldn't do more for the Syrian refugees?
Yes, OP info is fucked up and discriminatory but it also highlights the hypocrisy and shitty priority of alot of the gulf and/or "Islamic" countries, mainly Saudi Big Dog Arabia. Lil Lebanon and Jordan are carrying most of the weight in the area.
the Saudis are busy bombing the poorest nation in the region because they are scared of a small minority group who dare challenge a Sunni power structure, just like they intervened in Bahrain a few years ago.
that dynasty is the core cancer of the Mid-East.
Yes, OP info is fucked up and discriminatory but it also highlights the hypocrisy and shitty priority of alot of the gulf and/or "Islamic" countries, mainly Saudi Big Dog Arabia. Lil Lebanon and Jordan are carrying most of the weight in the area.
the Saudis are busy bombing the poorest nation in the region because they are scared of a small minority group who dare challenge a Sunni power structure, just like they intervened in Bahrain a few years ago.
that dynasty is the core cancer of the Mid-East.
Haha, right. You're certainly correct that migration into and out of Europe is nothing new. Hundreds of thousands of Middle Eastern people settled in Western Europe during antiquity and prehistory, leaving a huge genetic and cultural impact on the continent. One factoid I love is that the Pure Aryan Germanic languages may have been heavily influenced by these Semitic newcomers.
The major difference, though, is that these migrations generally happened despite the wishes of the earlier population. Britons certainly didn't want thousands of Anglo-Saxons arriving on their shores, and I'm sure you know that the Hunnic migration wasn't peaceful.
Saudi Arabia is evil. Their influence on American policymaking needs to be curbed, and I'm ashamed that my country tolerates their oppressive policies.
Retromelon
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People bitch about racism and prejudice in america but i cant help but think we're the shining city on a fuckin hill when i read these stories
You Are Viewtiful
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Americans are more honest about their history and the problems they have or had. In a lot of Europe they still glorify their empires who plundered and raped the planet.
When UKIP says "Let's make Britain, 'Great Britain' again!" we all know they mean. Same for Front National, they're even worse.
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