So, after the Redfall news. Is starfield most definitely only 30fps at this point?

Kinda GIF
 
I think it's 30 fps yes but it has nothing to do with Redfall.

Redfall is 30 fps at launch but they announced a 60 fps update.
 
Starfield has literally nothing to do with Redfall.

That's like asking if, since Returnal renders at 1080p, does that mean that future SIE games are going to render at 1080p.

The answer is no, obviously.

Spyxos said:
Gameplay trailer was at 30 fps.
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Their trailer from a month ago, which includes in-game footage, was uploaded at 60fps:

 
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It's Bethesda, lmao. My garbageman is better at optimising game engines than Bethesda.

These idiots probably think "minimum viable product" and "going gold" are the same thing.
 
Can we talk about the absolute ineptitude, bad management, and failure of Microsoft to make good on all the technological features they themselves touted about the Series X?

Redfall being 30 fps. Starfield almost guaranteed to be 30. Why the fuck isn't FSR2 being used in all MS's first party games? Why has Forza Horizon 5 using FSR on SX months after its been brought to the PC version?

How many stupid decisions does MS have to make this gen guys? At the very least how bad does it look that Redfall and probably Starfield will be 30 fps? As if MS's handling of Halo Infinite, the lack of games, the worse performance of games compared to Ps5 in a lot of games recently wasn't bad enough. The development hell, the delays, etc etc the list just goes on.

I'm tired of the consoles being treated like second class citizens by MS and certain 3rd party devs by things like what we're seeing with Redfall targeting only 30 fps or FH5 not getting fsr 2 brought over. There's NO REASON these features CANT be implemented! The only reason they do it is because they think they can get away with taking shortcuts because they think console owners are sheep who won't care! Sadly, there are a ton of console gamers that do still have this mindset.

One more thing- Redfall was shown and advertised for Xbox with trailers that showed the game running at 60! Only for the geniuses at MS and Arkane to say "oops, we know it's coming in 2 weeks but there's no 60 mode at launch". WHEN ARE GAMES JOURNALISTS AND YOUTUBERS GOING TO START BEING HONEST ABOUT THE FACT THAT ALL PREVIEWS ARE DONE ON PC? Ask these devs why they're not also showing it on consoles? Be honest with your subscribers that ALL FOOTAGE WAS PC and maybe devs will start being more honest as well! We're seeing this exact thing happening with Star Wars Survivor and NOBODY ANYWHERE is talking about it. Not on YouTube, not on Gaf or Reddit.. we have NO IDEA how that games going to run on ps5/sx either and it comes out in 12 days.
 
Feel Like I'm On 42 said:
Can we talk about the absolute ineptitude, bad management, and failure of Microsoft to make good on all the technological features they themselves touted about the Series X?

Redfall being 30 fps. Starfield almost guaranteed to be 30. Why the fuck isn't FSR2 being used in all MS's first party games? Why has Forza Horizon 5 using FSR on SX months after its been brought to the PC version?

How many stupid decisions does MS have to make this gen guys? At the very least how bad does it look that Redfall and probably Starfield will be 30 fps? As if MS's handling of Halo Infinite, the lack of games, the worse performance of games compared to Ps5 in a lot of games recently wasn't bad enough. The development hell, the delays, etc etc the list just goes on.

I'm tired of the consoles being treated like second class citizens by MS and certain 3rd party devs by things like what we're seeing with Redfall targeting only 30 fps or FH5 not getting fsr 2 brought over. There's NO REASON these features CANT be implemented! The only reason they do it is because they think they can get away with taking shortcuts because they think console owners are sheep who won't care! Sadly, there are a ton of console gamers that do still have this mindset.

One more thing- Redfall was shown and advertised for Xbox with trailers that showed the game running at 60! Only for the geniuses at MS and Arkane to say "oops, we know it's coming in 2 weeks but there's no 60 mode at launch". WHEN ARE GAMES JOURNALISTS AND YOUTUBERS GOING TO START BEING HONEST ABOUT THE FACT THAT ALL PREVIEWS ARE DONE ON PC? Ask these devs why they're not also showing it on consoles? Be honest with your subscribers that ALL FOOTAGE WAS PC and maybe devs will start being more honest as well! We're seeing this exact thing happening with Star Wars Survivor and NOBODY ANYWHERE is talking about it. Not on YouTube, not on Gaf or Reddit.. we have NO IDEA how that games going to run on ps5/sx either and it comes out in 12 days.
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I don't think Ms really cares if the game has 30 or 60 fps. The same goes for Sony. The main thing is that the game comes out.
 
Could be pleasantly surprised, but the history of Bethesda games says to bet against it even maintaining 30fps. Bethesda games have always been a technical mess.
 
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Wh;y wouldn't they just delay the game? There's money and then there's the stigma that they keep delaying games.

It's coming the gamepass so if it's money it's more like they are predicting losing out on an opportunity to increase subscriptions if they delay.

If it's the stigma, then dude come on, Redfall is not and has never been the hype to the point that people would be disappointed if you are delaying the game to make sure it releases in a proper state.

It's so dumb. It's 2023, 30 fps should be things kids read about in history books and wonder what it was like. Especially on a box that's supposed to be the most powerful console. Feels like PS3 all over again.

PC it is. I didn't get this 4090 for nothin.
 
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analog_future said:
Starfield has literally nothing to do with Redfall.

That's like asking if, since Returnal renders at 1080p, does that mean that future SIE games are going to render at 1080p.

The answer is no, obviously.



Their trailer from a month ago, which includes in-game footage, was uploaded at 60fps:

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They are both owned by Microsoft! Bethesda/Arkane games have always been kind of janky, but it's not unreasonable to think maybe Microsoft could help with polishing up their first party exclusive games upon release. Redfall seems to be just as janky as every other Arkane game, so I'm gonna guess Starfield will be just as buggy and poorly optimized as Fallout 4/76 were on release. Microsoft has not shown the ability to enhance these studios after acquisition, which is disappointing
 
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I'm wondering if their engine will support higher than 60fps anyway, due to the physic's going haywire, it didn't in the past
 
I definitely think so, but I've assumed it would be from the get go. StarField looks to be several magnitudes bigger in scope than Redfall and way more demanding.
 
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We don't really know at this point, but it wouldn't surprise. I imagine it'll be the least of the game's worries though.
 
who cares. we played 30 for last few gens. It really doesn't matter once you play for a few minutes.
People care too much about technical stuff
Just get a pc if you intend on whine about fps.

That said - I don't think it will be 30. Will probably be 60... 1080p terrible muddy but 60fps :P
 
There is no way to "definitively" know that, but if 60fps is that important to you don't renew your Gamepass sub until you get some confirmation
 
Danjin44 said:
Dont you guys get tried being always so negative about every game thats coming out?
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Seriousl. This is kinda crazy recently. Everyone is demanding this or that... from these poor 500$ consoles.
Let console be console or get a pc.
And on games negativity alone? yeah.... people will attack and destroy games they have barely even looked up on-line... let alone played. Just like what happened to Forspoken. That game had no chance to survive even before it was released.
 
Does this matter? People complained about Redfall because it supposedly is a fast paced twitch first person shooter. Starfield is a first or third person RPG. Are we now claiming RPGs must also be 60fps in order to be playable? How many previous Bethesda RPGs launched on console at 60fps?
 
Starfield will be between 15 and 26 fps, and you will love it as if it was Bloodborne because that is the true framerate of artistic integrity.
 
Been on PC gaming for the past few years and play Division 2 on the regular. The other day my game for some weird reason dropped from 135+ FPS down to 30 FPS. Immediately made playing the game uncomfortable and gave me a headache not long after.

I'll never go back to 30 FPS gaming again. Fuck that. I pity you console peasants having to sit through 30 FPS games.
 
Content(A + B + C) = Narrative

Corporate Messaging/Marketing + influencers + Minions.

MS is in this shitstorm because of their missteps in marketing and communication, influencers take those talking points and boost them; then minions parrot the same shit.

Starfield (by the pedigree and track record of its studio) shouldn't have the burden of a 60FPS and/or be a "looker"...but now is an Xbox-exclusive and expectations are insane (as they should be).

I really wonder how is the mood inside Xbox/Bethesda after this week. (PR wise)

Did they expected shuch reaction from the RedFall news?

do they feel pressure to do something regarding Starfield's performance?

We know Todd doesn't give a shit....

Something is true I think (no one in their right mind) will expect Starfield at 60FPS.

BUT...better be a rock solid 30.
 
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Does this matter? People complained about Redfall because it supposedly is a fast paced twitch first person shooter. Starfield is a first or third person RPG. Are we now claiming RPGs must also be 60fps in order to be playable? How many previous Bethesda RPGs launched on console at 60fps?
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I mean, in combat, when things are the most hectic, will be a first person shooter perspective. Of course it matters
 
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I feel like most of people are way too worried about 4K and don't care about fps, so might end up being true.
 
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