So... is Steve Jobs dying?

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One of the comments on this Computer World article really struck me:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/what_if_steve_jobs_isnt_deathly_ill#comment-123696

After that surgery, the guy cannot eat a normal amount of food any longer. He's on that calorie restricted diet whether he wants to be or not. His gut was trimmed - more than trimmed - surgically. He's not going to change that unless there is a brand new technique developed to restore what the surgeons previously removed. The other alternative would be to put Steve on TPN (feeding thru a nasal tube or an IV) to supplement what food he can digest. That would probably not be a great thing for a guy as active and as much of a control freak as SJ. Often times patients say it's better than dying - but not much better. SJ is a VERY rich man, has a second family, fairly young kids, a gorgeous (and we hear adoring) wife. The guy has a LOT to live for! But the old argument of quantity vs quality comes into play. The surgery he's undergone saved his life but he paid one hell of a price for it's salvation. He probably feels sick most of the time. Patients who've undergone that procedure have told me the upset stomach and feeling if being near to vomiting is nearly constant. I do know that SJ and his spouse have declined all holiday invitations this year, including some from various charities they've supported generously for years. Supposedly they declined an invitation to the Obama inauguration as well. And they supported the Democratic party generously during the campaign. Sounds to me like he's sick again. Or just sick of being sick. Dealing with your own mortality and options at only 53 has to be difficult. But sadly, he looks like he's 63 or more. Probably feels like it, too. And that assumes things have not gotten worse. His wife quietly consulted with a well known Plastic Surgeon in SF recently. (The office staff talked to a friend of ours.) Seems his health issues have taken their toll on her face and she doesn't want to look like she's the kids grandma vs mother. Certainly the money for a surgical overhaul (for her) is not an issue, but apparently finding the time for a little nip and tuck and a couple of weeks recovery time are something of a challenge to her right now. Wonder what that bodes? Sounds like she's busy - very busy- at home doing something only she can do personally. Like supervising his care? SJ has been seen at Apple's campus on occasion. But less than he used to be. He has always traveled a great deal and apparently he's not doing that much any longer, either. The infamous plane he was given by the grateful Apple Board has been sitting on the runway more and more lately. When he does show up at Apple's campus, he's in his office, meeting with his assistants and his lieutenants and then out of the building and home again. All this takes place in the space of a couple of hours... or three at the outside. On many occasions spouse type is with him - or his trainer - or a friend. And they're seen driving rather than him piloting that MBZ himself like he used to. Everyone who has seen him face to face says he looks far worse than he did a few months ago. The weight is further down and his coloring is NOT robust or healthy at all in spite of some liberal use of self-tanners in an attempt to hide the paleness of his skin and the gray undertones. Any Apple Employee who has seen him and who dared to talk directly about it would probably be out on their ass in a heartbeat. The secrecy is serious. Very serious. My guess is that he's going to announce he's stepping down after the first quarter and his succession plan is already being put in place. He will stay on as the CEO Emeritus until he passes away or gets better. But chances of a meaningful recovery are probably slim at this point. He may have decided to take what is left of his time on earth and spend it with the family and friends that are closest to him. THAT would certainly be a very human decision. He'll also try to minimize the damage to Apple Stock as he exits. I would guess there's already a few world changing products in the pipeline that will roll out at the ADC in the spring... and beyond. It's fairly certain that MacWorld isn't going to see anything major other than what it's already seen by virtue of Apple calling it quits and the myriad of ramifications from that decision. A "Mac World" without Apple is nearly unthinkable. Yet it is happening! Wow.

For the record - we lived in the bay area (Los Gatos Hills) for many years and we know several "top of the heap" Apple execs and their families as friends and neighbors. My "speculation" is largely fueled by the bits and pieces both my wife and I have heard from people much closer to SJ than we are. Just my thoughts based on what we all know of the man - with a little extra thrown in via recent observation at the corporate and personal level.

Above all, Apple nor STEVE JOBS is NOT STUPID. They know full well the impact their silence is having and they would avoid it if there were something, anything, positive to announce and get the focus on his health shifted elsewhere. Sadly, there is not such a thing. Now the team must convince the world that Apple will go on long after Steve Jobs is not a part of it on a daily basis. I suspect that his spirit and intensity of personality will be there long after his body has left this earth - at least I like to think so...
 
:(

I don't really care how Apple and Pixar does (Pixar would be fine and Apple would have had to face this some day in any case), but Jobs has been a symbol almost for a generation and it would be an end of an era when he steps down permanently.
 
are you on a first name basis with Steve?!
 
Timedog said:
What exactly is he "dying" of?

Don't remember that bout with cancer he had recently? There's been a lot of press speculation that the treatment for the kind of cancer he had was pretty traumatic on its own.
 
Timedog said:
What exactly is he "dying" of?

He had pancreatic cancer, which has less than a 5% survival rate long term. Now apparently he had a super rare form that was treatable, but then he also had a whipple procedure done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipple_procedure
A pancreaticoduodenectomy, pancreatoduodenectomy[1], Whipple procedure, or Kausch-Whipple procedure, is a major surgical operation involving the pancreas, duodenum, and other organs. This operation is performed to treat cancerous tumours on the head of the pancreas or cancerous tumors on ducts or vessels near the pancreas.
 
goodcow said:
He had pancreatic cancer, which has less than a 5% survival rate long term. Now apparently he had a super rare form that was treatable, but then he also had a whipple procedure done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipple_procedure
A pancreaticoduodenectomy, pancreatoduodenectomy[1], Whipple procedure, or Kausch-Whipple procedure, is a major surgical operation involving the pancreas, duodenum, and other organs. This operation is performed to treat cancerous tumours on the head of the pancreas or cancerous tumors on ducts or vessels near the pancreas.


In the hospital where I work we did Whipple operations only on people where nothing else could/can help. :/
 
Timedog said:
A symbol for a generation? :lol :lol :lol

What exactly is he "dying" of?

What part of the country/world are you in?

He certainly is a symbol in the bay area.
 
Timedog said:
A symbol for a generation?

That thing you're using to view the interwebs? Ya, he and a few other guys started that whole digital revolution dealie awhile back. And a few other things like he, along with others, pioneered oh I dunno... MP3 players, digital distribution, CG animation -- to name a few.

Also it's very sad if he is dying :( The world wouldn't be the same without him.
 
Jackson said:
That thing you're using to view the interwebs? Ya, he and a few other guys started that whole digital revolution dealie awhile back. And a few other things like he, along with others, pioneered oh I dunno... MP3 players, digital distribution, CG animation -- to name a few.

Also it's very sad if he is dying :( The world wouldn't be the same without him.

Oh god he is so the symbol of a generation when if I showed his picture to 10 people on the street MAYBE one person would recognize him. How the fuck did he "pioneer" mp3 players? More like he pioneered the marketing of mp3 players.
 
Jackson said:
That thing you're using to view the interwebs? Ya, he and a few other guys started that whole digital revolution dealie awhile back. And a few other things like he, along with others, pioneered oh I dunno... MP3 players, digital distribution, CG animation -- to name a few.

please, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
 
Well to be honest he's not that well known around here (UK). If I showed his picture to let's say, a hundred people around here, very few would recognize him, let alone his name.
 
I don't think "symbol" is the right word. His face doesn't mean much to the average person.

But he's been directly involved in some of the most important computer devices in history. From the Apple and Apple II, to the original Mac, then rebuilding Apple in the late 90s and bringing about the iPod, the iTunes music store and the iPhone.

Plus funding Pixar back in the 80s.

The man's done a lot.

I hope he's not super sick and that he can stay at Apple for a long while. Mainly because he seems like the kind of person that would go batshit insane if he didn't have anything to do every single day.
 
Timedog said:
How the fuck did he "pioneer" mp3 players? More like he pioneered the marketing of mp3 players.

I said along with others didn't I? I didn't say he created it with his bare hands. He's the CEO of Apple, his coming back brought Apple out of the gutter. While he was away from Apple he bought and worked with Pixar and created Next, which Apple bought out. So his heavy involvement with the ipod, which created the mp3 player craze and was a key factor in helping bring Apple back, was a large part of the entire mp3 players.

Damn man, he's done more in his life to change the world than 90% of the population ever has. All for the positive, and he had a bout with a hardcore cancer... chill with the hate.

D4Danger said:
please, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

I am huh? really? REALLY?
 
sp0rsk said:
Sounds like Steve Jobs killed timedogs mom or something.

:lol

Even if you do not consider SJ himself to be a symbol of our generation...many of the products his company has put out have been (the different kinds of iPods and the iPhone are the best examples...not to mention all the Apple laptops that make it into various commercials because of their design).
 
I mean, he is an icon in the same way that Howard Hughes was for aviation. He is the same age as my parents, so it's not our 'generation' I'm talking about really. I'm sure his face is not as recognized as that of Beckham or Katie Price in the UK, but he and Gates defined the PC era. His story does span the decades, from starting Apple, getting kicked out, failing with NeXT and Pixar and then finding success again.
 
Jackson said:
I am huh? really? REALLY?

He was the guy who sold over 2 billion DRM tracks so that's something to be proud of. A generation of music that will be worth less than nothing in 10 years.
 
Jackson said:
So his heavy involvement with the ipod, which created the mp3 player craze and was a key factor in helping bring Apple back, was a large part of the entire mp3 players.

I think the problem people have was that the iPod was something of a johnny-come-lately to the scene, coming out three years after the first commercial mp3 players. It wasn't even the first hard-drive based mp3 player.

If there had been no iPod, mp3 players still would have been popular. It's like crediting Microsoft for the creation of the spreadsheet because Excel is the most used spreadsheet in the world. In both cases the companies came along afterward and drove the real innovators out of business.

The same is true of virtually all of the other things you listed. Steve was a great salesman, a sometimes great CEO, and he shipped each Next machine with the complete works of Shakespeare. Isn't that enough?
 
D4Danger said:
He was the guy who sold over 2 billion DRM tracks so that's something to be proud of. A generation of music that will be worth less than nothing in 10 years.
Of course, only the people who are the very first to do something have accomplished anything notable. Right?
 
Jackson said:
I said along with others didn't I? I didn't say he created it with his bare hands.


There were mp3(Hard-drive) players around before the i-pod.
Even then the idea gos back to the Walkman, the guy who created that did tons of stuff and is more worthy of the "A symbol for a generation" title.


Jackson said:
I am huh? really? REALLY?
Yes
 
Timedog said:
How the fuck did he "pioneer" mp3 players? More like he pioneered the marketing of mp3 players.

yeah no one thinks of the ipod when they think of mp3 players

B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
There were mp3(Hard-drive) players around before the i-pod.
Even then the idea gos back to the Walkman, the guy who created that did tons of stuff and is more worthy of the "A symbol for a generation" title.

who invented the lightbulb
 
besada said:
The same is true of virtually all of the other things you listed. Steve was a great salesman, a sometimes great CEO, and he shipped each Next machine with the complete works of Shakespeare. Isn't that enough?
The man co-founded Apple. I know this so-called digital age has been going on for a while but I would think that, at least, isn't easily forgotten or discredited.
 
1984 - Jobs unveils Macintosh, the first commercially personal computer with a GUI OS.
1986 - He buys Pixar, they produce the first ever CG movie, Toy Story which changes film forever.
2001 - iPod is launched -- Steve Jobs orders Apple's hardware engineering chief Jon Rubinstein assembled a team of engineers to design the iPod line, including hardware engineers Tony Fadell and Michael Dhuey.
2001 - iTunes the first commercially successful digital distrubtion network

Sure he didn't "make" these products, but he was a huge part of "pioneering" them "along with others", ya know... like I said in my other post

D4Danger said:
I don't think 'pioneer' means what you think it means.

MP3 players wouldn't be anywhere near as popular or as profitable without the iPod
 
Timedog said:
Oh god he is so the symbol of a generation when if I showed his picture to 10 people on the street MAYBE one person would recognize him. How the fuck did he "pioneer" mp3 players? More like he pioneered the marketing of mp3 players.

Sir, you are a dope.
 
Timedog said:
A symbol for a generation? :lol :lol :lol

What exactly is he "dying" of?

Guilt. Guilt for the sort of prices they charge and the basic features they often leave out.
 
Evlar said:
The man co-founded Apple. I know this so-called digital age has been going on for a while but I would think that, at least, isn't easily forgotten or discredited.

Sure, that, too. My point is he did a bunch of amazing things, which would seem to be enough without making up things he didn't do.
 
LCfiner said:
so much Apple hate on these boards. :lol

Thing is I'm ambiguous to Apple, I got an iPhone, that's about it.

But this is a thread about a person in a lot of pain and probably dying. And it's not just any person, but a person who was very influential on modern society, who, if he were not here the world would definitely be a different place.

And some people are pissing all over the thread for no reason.

besada said:
Sure, that, too. My point is he did a bunch of amazing things, which would seem to be enough without making up things he didn't do.

Nobody's making up anything. Just because something is not "first" doesn't mean they shouldn't get credit for it, if they took the idea and made it mainstream.

Everyone uses Google right? We should all just use yahoo shouldn't we? That came before! right?! Google shouldn't get any credit!
 
Jackson said:
Nobody's making up anything. Just because something is not "first" doesn't mean they shouldn't get credit for it, if they took the idea and made it mainstream.

The iPod didn't pioneer mp3 players, so yeah, you're making shit up. You're the one who dragged the word pioneer into the conversation, not other people. If you had used the word popularized, then maybe you'd have a point, although mp3 players were hot items before the iPod was introduced, the iPod certainly expanded the market.

I'm a big fan of SJ, but that doesn't mean it's cool to give him credit for other people's work.
 
D4Danger said:
Steve Jobs?

well you can either answer the question with "edison" and look like a fucking dickhead because you just made a stink about how marketing savvy and mass appeal don't mean shit...

... or you can answer the question with any of the literally dozens of people who developed light bulbs before edison and look like a fucking dickhead because clearly everyone acknowledges that edison pioneered the lightbulb, even though he wasn't the first human being to make one.
 
besada said:
The iPod didn't pioneer mp3 players, so yeah, you're making shit up. You're the one who dragged the word pioneer into the conversation, not other people. If you had used the word popularized, then maybe you'd have a point, although mp3 players were hot items before the iPod was introduced, the iPod certainly expanded the market.

I'm a big fan of SJ, but that doesn't mean it's cool to give him credit for other people's work.


that's true. Apple didn't pioneer mp3 players. they did make them mainstream, though.

I would say that they pioneered legal digital music distribution. And that the importance of the iTunes store is greater than the iPod device. The ability to buy single tracks off albums, to obtain music (and now movies, TV shows) easily and legally without leaving your house is huge.

The iTunes store is a huge reason why the iPod is a success and why lots of other players never caught on.
 
Yes, there were other mp3 players before the iPod, but they made almost no impact on the mainstream of society, and were really only known about in geek/audiophile circles. Jobs saw the potential in the market however, and had Apple design the first product of it's type that had mass market appeal.

Go back and look at the comments that were being tossed about when Apple introduced the iPod. People thought it was a joke and that Apple had created a bomb. Very few saw the potential in the market, but the iPod is probably the most iconic device in the past decade.
 
B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
Thats not the point.

That is the point. Apple is a company, he is the CEO. Decisions come from the top, things get signed off on. Who the heck knows what his day to day involvement was. Only he does.

But he was a key part in it. That's the point, that's why he's the CEO and not the janitor, because his decisions affect the company in a huge way.

besada said:
The iPod didn't pioneer mp3 players, so yeah, you're making shit up. You're the one who dragged the word pioneer into the conversation, not other people. If you had used the word popularized, then maybe you'd have a point, although mp3 players were hot items before the iPod was introduced, the iPod certainly expanded the market.

I'm a big fan of SJ, but that doesn't mean it's cool to give him credit for other people's work.

mp3 player's were a blip on the radar of uber geeks at the time. My parents don't even know what an mp3 is, but they got their ipods and their itunes. Saying iPod expanded the market is a massive understatement. There's 150 million of them out there.

But I see where you're coming from, I credit a pioneer as someone who made something viable among the masses, who before had no clue. Such as Edison and the TV, which he didn't invent, but without him there'd be no TV.

So my opinion differs where pioneering starts. I never said he invented the mp3 player.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Yes, there were other mp3 players before the iPod, but they made almost no impact on the mainstream of society, and were really only known about in geek/audiophile circles. Jobs saw the potential in the market however, and had Apple design the first product of it's type that had mass market appeal.

Go back and look at the comments that were being tossed about when Apple introduced the iPod. People thought it was a joke and that Apple had created a bomb. Very few saw the potential in the market, but the iPod is probably the most iconic device in the past decade.


This Macrumors thread is pure gold.



a sample:

$400 for an Mp3 Player!

I'd call it the Cube 2.0 as it wont sell, and be killed off in a short time...and it's not really functional.

Uuhh Steve, can I have a PDA now?

edit: that poster got his PDA 6 years later with the iphone/ ipod touch.
 
Timbuktu said:
I'm just amazed how the iPod have overshadowed what the guy did with the PC, or even Pixar.

among the mainstream, of course. ho many people do you know who follow the details of computer OSes, GUIs, interfaces, etc?

But everyone knows music.

Personally, I'm more impressed by the stuff he did back in the late 70s, early 80s. The real early stuff with Apple. But, hey, it makes sense that the iPod would be appreciated by more people.
 
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