So... is Steve Jobs dying?

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Consumer personal computing technology is a minimum of a year ahead of where it would have been without Steve Jobs.

Take the iPhone for example. I recently had the displeasure of trying the Blackberry Storm, and it's not even half the web experience the iPhone is. I haven't had a chance to use the T-Mobile G1, but even if it is equivalent to the iPhone, that's still a year and a half of everyone trying their hardest before anyone could even come up with a simple clone. How long would it have taken mobile devices to catch up had the iPhone not existed in the first place?
 
Timbuktu said:
I'm just amazed how the iPod have overshadowed what the guy did with the PC, or even Pixar.
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I'm just as surprised as you are, it's interesting to say the least. In my mind when I think Steve Jobs- Apple immediately comes to mind. The iPod and iTunes were huge hits for Apple, but they sure as hell don't overshadow the Macintosh. I guess some people just aren't old enough to remember the stuff Apple put out in the 80's.

An as an aside if Steve Jobs does indeed lose his life this country is losing one of its great visionaries. The fact that he's in his early 50s and has young children makes it all the worse. Many people in my family have died from pancreatic cancer, and as someone else said in this thread the survival rate is incredibly low-but there's always hope.
 
sp0rsk said:
Sounds like Steve Jobs killed timedogs mom or something.
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:lol


Jobs is as much 'the face of our generation' as Gates. Two men who spearheaded great changes in their fields. But the true and self-proclaimed voice of our generation is Kanye West.

xabre said:
Guilt. Guilt for the sort of prices they charge and the basic features they often leave out.
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:lol

Jackson said:
Nobody's making up anything. Just because something is not "first" doesn't mean they shouldn't get credit for it, if they took the idea and made it mainstream.
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Defini..wait a minute.
 
he is definitely A symbol of our generation. not being visually recognized doesn't matter. you show bill gates' picture to 100 people and I bet over 60 of them can't tell you who he is. But say Jobs' or Gates' NAMES to 100 people and I bet you at least 99 know who they are.

And while Jobs' didn't necessarily create all of these, he DEFINITELY gave them all their first mainstream success:

PC
GUI/Mouse
CGI Animation
digital media players
digital media distribution

and let's not forget that the entire graphic arts community was practically changed overnight on the back of 2 or 3 of those once Adobe realized what it could do on the Mac with a GUI and mouse.

The guy who creates something major.. well, obviously he is talented.. but the guy who can REALIZE the creation and bring it to the masses in a meaningful way.. well that's just brilliance.
 
zombieshavebrains said:
Mac Fanboyism is strong in this thread.
If he dies soon it will be sad, but i will be cheered up by the mac fanboys reactions.
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It's a shame you don't.
 
As far as music goes Jobs's most notable achievement may not be the iPod. It's become the identified trademark of the entire category but some people don't want to credit popularity. OK. There's another facet of Apple's music business which was a breakthrough and which Jobs had a direct role in.

The iTunes Music Store. It wasn't the first (legal) online retailer of music but it did have certain features that were revolutionary at the time. In particular, iTMS allowed permanent purchase of music, it allowed transfer of music to multiple computers and of course iPods and even network streaming, it allowed purchased music to be burned back to CD an unlimited number of times (thereby stripping DRM but at the cost of decreased audio quality), it charged no subscription fees and it provided standardized pricing and packaging (99 cents for singles, $9.99 for albums, across the vast majority of the library, particularly in the early days). And Jobs managed to get all the major labels to sign on to this service at a time when the industry was still trying to champion a one-sale-per-copy model and per-album pricing in the $15 range.

It was an astounding coup, one that has changed the course of the music industry in several countries. No one but Apple's top brass and the executives of the various labels knows how the hell Apple managed to convince the ass-stubborn labels to alter their fundamental business model like this.
 
Lau said:
You can say a lot about Windows and Microsoft, but at least Bill Gates doesn't die.
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Holy shit :lol

I like to beat up the Apple drones as much as the next guy, but damn, some of you are heartless.
 
Jackson said:
Everyone uses Google right? We should all just use yahoo shouldn't we? That came before! right?! Google shouldn't get any credit!
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Saying Google 'pioneered' web search is all kinds of stupid and wrong!
 
Jackson said:
MP3 players wouldn't be anywhere near as popular or as profitable without the iPod
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I am sorry but that is simply not true. MP3 players were the next logical step after CD/mini disc players. If Apple didn't do it some other company would of came along and done so. My bet would of been sony with their Walkman brand.

Though I admit it possibly would not have been as big.

Lau said:
You can say a lot about Windows and Microsoft, but at least Bill Gates doesn't die.
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:lol
 
I would not wish that type of illness on anyone. I hope he is comfortable or at peace. It is a traumatic illness and changes everything because your perspective on everything changes.
Mr. Jobs was an innovator in the technological field. He also knew how to market products. A rare combination. Usually it takes an expert in each field to do what he has done in his lifetime.
I think for people with an emotional link to Apple products this is a big event, for those of us without that link, it is another bad news story.
But it amazes me how things like this denigrate into prepubescent fights for "dominance". How about taking it outside and settle it behind the boards? Like maybe at "macfiends" or "winfreaks" forums? Where the other kids hang out.
 
zombieshavebrains said:
Mac Fanboyism is strong in this thread.
If he dies soon it will be sad, but i will be cheered up by the mac fanboys reactions.
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wtf :lol

borghe said:
The guy who creates something major.. well, obviously he is talented.. but the guy who can REALIZE the creation and bring it to the masses in a meaningful way.. well that's just brilliance.
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So you're saying the marketer is better than the creator?

Lau said:
You can say a lot about Windows and Microsoft, but at least Bill Gates doesn't die.
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:lol
 
Label said:
I am sorry but that is simply not true. MP3 players were the next logical step after CD/mini disc players. If Apple didn't do it some other company would of came along and done so. My bet would of been sony with their Walkman brand.

Though I admit it possibly would not have been as big.



:lol
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Creative and others already had HDD mp3 players out there-- iPod made them smaller and coupled it with a source of music. It would still have become a market, but Apple had the foresight to get those two elements-- size and convenience-- out there first.
 
In death Steve Jobs will become even more powerful. He'll become a symbol of all that is good and right in technology while guys like Bill Gates will look like wankers.
 
roosters93 said:
So you're saying the marketer is better than the creator?
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unfortunately the actual act of creation doesn't guarantee an invention's usefulness to society. there are plenty of inventions throughout history that were "useless" until the right person came along and realized how to use them to their full potential. I would definitely call him more than a marketer.. more like an implementer.
 
Lol @ mouse/gui/os mentions in this thread

The amiga OS shat all over systems 1-7 right from version 1.2, not to mention they were both unveiled at prety much the same time.

Lets not mix up history here, macs started selling when they became fancy toys, that's why no one was buying them before Steve's return and the new designs.
 
Fularu said:
Lol @ mouse/gui/os mentions in this thread

The amiga OS shat all over systems 1-7 right from version 1.2, not to mention they were both unveiled at prety much the same time.
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Amiga came out a good year and a half after the Mac did and Workbench 1.2 (the first decent version) didn't come hit the market until the very end of 1986.. almost 3 years after Mac and System 1.

I loved my Amiga... but man that thread's rosetinted title is true. Mac owners are bad, but us former Amiga owners are THE WORST when it comes to defending and reminiscing on it. :P
 
JBuccCP said:
How if at all would the company change when he dies?
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That will be interesting to see.
I can only imagine they have preparing for this for ages and ages, so hopefully nothing.
I mean, if the worst happens it would do them well to launch some badass products a few months afterward.

I guess the only thing I could imagine is someone having less cache while negotiating deals with media companys etc... Which is a pretty damn big one.
 
goodcow said:
He had pancreatic cancer, which has less than a 5% survival rate long term. Now apparently he had a super rare form that was treatable, but then he also had a whipple procedure done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipple_procedure
A pancreaticoduodenectomy, pancreatoduodenectomy[1], Whipple procedure, or Kausch-Whipple procedure, is a major surgical operation involving the pancreas, duodenum, and other organs. This operation is performed to treat cancerous tumours on the head of the pancreas or cancerous tumors on ducts or vessels near the pancreas.
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Not to be too cynical or anything, but over the long term, life has a 0% survival rate. That operation does sound like a bitch though.
 
I hate personality cults. North Korea has Kim Jong Il. Cuba has Castro. Russia has Putin. The US government has Obama. Apple has Steve Jobs.
 
Synth_floyd said:
I hate personality cults. North Korea has Kim Jong Il. Cuba has Castro. Russia has Putin. The US government has Obama. Apple has Steve Jobs.
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You mean hero worship?
 
Jtwo said:
That will be interesting to see.
I can only imagine they have preparing for this for ages and ages, so hopefully nothing.
I mean, if the worst happens it would do them well to launch some badass products a few months afterward.

I guess the only thing I could imagine is someone having less cache while negotiating deals with media companys etc... Which is a pretty damn big one.
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This. Apple are in a completely different ballpark from the mess of the early 90s. The company is a lot stronger and focused, and the team in charge are the best in the industry.
 
JBuccCP said:
How if at all would the company change when he dies?
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There are few, if any, companies who have a CEO that is as well known and so closely associated with one another. Jobs has guided Apple back from the brink, and that kind of leadership is not easily replaced.

Also, Jobs understanding of design and delivering a product that consumers want (sometimes before they even know they want it) is almost legendary. Will the next CEO be able to offer that same kind of intuition?

Jobs is also the biggest share holder of Disney, and at one time, before the health issues, was seen as the heir apparent for that company. While his death would have much less of an impact there, as the biggest share holder, who know what direction the company could go.
 
Haha, I just had to quote it twice.
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I am realizing that Apple haters are as bad as the Apple 'cult' leaders, Nintendo fanatics and recently paranoid Sony followers. Jesus.
 
Vyer said:
I am realizing that Apple haters are as bad as the Apple 'cult' leaders, Nintendo fanatics and recently paranoid Sony followers. Jesus.
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You're just now realizing that people who are emotionally invested in appliances are sad?
 
goodcow said:
He had pancreatic cancer, which has less than a 5% survival rate long term. Now apparently he had a super rare form that was treatable, but then he also had a whipple procedure done.
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He didn't have a treatable rare form, he was just able to afford the secret cure that isn't known by or available to the general public. Fork over several mil, then they'll consider saving you. It's true, believe me.
 
I'm not an Apple fan, but some of you are posting some pretty dumb shit. I suppose technically we could give a lot of the GUI credit to Xerox rather than Jobs and Apple but that would be stupid, much like many of these arguments.
 
Wow, this thread is full of (junior) idiots.
 
JBuccCP said:
How if at all would the company change when he dies?
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Compare Apple now to Apple circa, say, 1994. Steve Jobs doesn't have to be the fountain of every good idea for his departure to make a huge impact on Apple. Even if Jobs is just the guy with the taste and ability to make some of the good ideas happen, it's likely to be a big change. Even if Jobs is no more than the guy who pushes for that extra bit of polish in Apple's products, it could be a big change. More than one company had the money and engineering ability to make iTunes, the iPod, the iPhone, OSX, and the iTunes Store - only one company did it, though.
 
Maybe he isn't really really sick and he just wants a break from everyone. If I was that rich and did as much as he did, I would just take all my money and stay at home enjoying my penis and my porn.
 
Weenerz said:
If I was that rich and did as much as he did, I would just take all my money and stay at home enjoying my penis and my porn.
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Now you know why he is who he is and you are who you are.
 
I'm not falling for this again, I remember last time and it turned out to be some dumb kid that spread rumors that made Apple's stock tank.
 
Took me like 10 minutes until I knew who the fuck is Steve, and that was only because I spotted the word iPod in someone's post.
 
People have the gall to call Apple users shit like a "cult" when people are as disgusting as they are in this thread? Your OS decision matters so much that you're going to shit on a guy possibly on his death bed?

What the flying fuck.
 
Wow, watching that commencement address. Steve is pretty full of himself. Not that he doesn't have the history to back it up...but geez.
 
All this discussion about whether or not Jobs is influential and all people talk about are mp3 players when Apple's most influential product by far is the Apple II released back in the 1970s.
 
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