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Why does Apple feel as if they can revive the watch? They have a chance but I doubt most people would want an iPhone and then carry around a less useless iPhone gundam backpack accessory.
So the Apple Watch seems pretty useless for third parties
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It really seems as a poor first attempt. I would have liked to have a tiny camera in there as well for FaceTime.
I am not even the slightest interested in it. Maybe Apple Watch 2 will be interesting. Disappointed to say the least.
Would love to jump in on the "smart watch/band" market, and right now it seem as if the band market is more exciting with more useful features, especially for fitness buffs like me.
I am not even the slightest interested in it. Maybe Apple Watch 2 will be interesting. Disappointed to say the least.
Would love to jump in on the "smart watch/band" market, and right now it seem as if the band market is more exciting with more useful features, especially for fitness buffs like me.
Hopefully this will be like the first iphone where Apple does not like supporting third party but by the second phone they've given it up (that's why the iphone got so useful to me. It would have been useless if they still only allowed first party apps on it).
Anyways, if you can be patient never buy the first iteration of anything Apple. It's always lacking a lot of stuff and more proof of concept. It's the second version where they start really getting what they want it to do refined and adds on all the basics.
And the original iphone kinda sucked honestly. I would have far preferred to stay with my iPaq at the time then go to it (which I never understood why people hated the old windows mobile). Especially as Apple software in general is overly basic and sucks (well I like their word processor better than Word, but that's really not hard honestly when Word never works like it should). And this is from some one who is almost fully entrenched in the apple ecosystem (macbook, iphone, ipod). And has been a Mac fan her entire life (had Macs since the very first one).
I got the second iPhone. There is no way I would have liked it as much if I were just stuck with the apple apps. What made it so useful was being able to get third party apps and customize it to do what I wanted it to do.
Anyways, if you can be patient never buy the first iteration of anything Apple. It's always lacking a lot of stuff and more proof of concept. It's the second version where they start really getting what they want it to do refined and adds on all the basics.
And the original iphone kinda sucked honestly. I would have far preferred to stay with my iPaq at the time then go to it (which I never understood why people hated the old windows mobile). Especially as Apple software in general is overly basic and sucks (well I like their word processor better than Word, but that's really not hard honestly when Word never works like it should). And this is from some one who is almost fully entrenched in the apple ecosystem (macbook, iphone, ipod). And has been a Mac fan her entire life (had Macs since the very first one).
I got the second iPhone. There is no way I would have liked it as much if I were just stuck with the apple apps. What made it so useful was being able to get third party apps and customize it to do what I wanted it to do.
Ninja Kn1ght
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Apple has already announced that a more fully-featured SDK for third-party apps is on the way. This is exactly how Apple has always rolled new products out. At first they are restricted but in time as people become more comfortable with the technology they make more features available.
SuperPac
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The new version of Android has a power-saver mode that kicks in at a certain battery percentage. Similar tools have been available for years before this update. I have not seen Apple make any pokes at that feature.
2.5 hours of 30-second or minute-long interactions with the watch isn't that hideous. Besides, that was just the rumored battery life. We'll see what it really is after next week.
ersocaster
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totally
All that shows is that Apple devices are a more attractive Christmas present. Look at the date.
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GalacticMouse
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Isn't Apple the highest selling device manufacturer right now in mobile?
EDIT: Looks like they're top-3 territory, but behind Samsung. Confusing unit sales, activations, profits, etc. Too many data points in mobile.
jts
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loooooool that's hilarious the rich executive bought stuff for his family and now he's so upset :lol :lol :lol :lol
Poor Jonathan can't catch a break.
TarpitCarnivore
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Being behind Samsung after only one year in China is pretty damn good though. And yes, each manufacture reports things different. Some report shipments and some report activations.
Active usage could mean continuous use.
Looking forward to the event in a few days.
Won't be writing off this watch until I see a lot more; early SDK work is just that.. early.
I'm still undecided how much wearables matter to me and whether they'll ever change my decision on phone platform. At this point I've had an iPhones since their 2nd gen iteration; i own Android tablets and othe devices (Shield).
If I really dig wearables it could cause me to switch to Android for my phone OS.
So far I'm meh on them.. bought the first gen pebble and wasn't a fan.
Won't be writing off this watch until I see a lot more; early SDK work is just that.. early.
I'm still undecided how much wearables matter to me and whether they'll ever change my decision on phone platform. At this point I've had an iPhones since their 2nd gen iteration; i own Android tablets and othe devices (Shield).
If I really dig wearables it could cause me to switch to Android for my phone OS.
So far I'm meh on them.. bought the first gen pebble and wasn't a fan.
devildog820
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They own nearly 93% of mobile profits (link) but they have never been (to my knowledge) at the top.
Apple stuff is premium, which is why they can and do charge more. It may not be to one's taste, but there is no denying that a lot of people love Apple devices. A watch as Apple designs it will follow that ethos.
So while a lot of users will hate the Apple Watch, there will be plenty of us who love it.
I just still think the thing is ludicrously overpowered for it's feature set.
It doesn't need the hardware grunt and screen it has to the functions presented. If it's not going to do that much it should have much less grunt and a much, much better battery.
I still feel like it was a horrible mistake to think this product should have been made before you could get a week's battery life out of it.
It doesn't need the hardware grunt and screen it has to the functions presented. If it's not going to do that much it should have much less grunt and a much, much better battery.
I still feel like it was a horrible mistake to think this product should have been made before you could get a week's battery life out of it.
Ingueferroque
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It's already been confirmed that a truly native SDK and software update is coming later this year. Software isn't stagnant. The rumored A5 class chip will give it some longevity.
Zombie James
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I would hope Apple will release a watch capable of doing things in a couple of years, yes.
Yeah because thats what the shit posting on page 1 was all about.
Oh wait...
It's like iPad flashbacks. Love it
Jedi Catholic Priests up in arms about this one.
killer rin
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And its going to still sell millions.
HUELEN10
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But the iPad totally sucked until iOS 5 came out, and only became truly great after.Yeah because thats what the shit posting on page 1 was all about.
Oh wait...
It's like iPad flashbacks. Love it
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Lots of winners saying "this sucks" before the thing even has a launch event is as strong of an Apple tradition here as "is there going to be a new iPod at this?"
Guess then it's really like most of Apple's newer products: you'll want to blow off the first version if you're not a diehard then jump in with the second version at a minimum. More likely a way later version will be more like what you want, I for instance can't imagine wanting to use a pre-iPhone 4 for web browsing purely due to the resolution, that's pretty much the territory of dedicated game devices to me now and it's not really ideal there either, just better because at least it can actually be designed for that resolution rather than ones magnitudes higher.
infiniteloop
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jts
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That's revisionist. The iPad became a great success from the get go because it was a great product since the beginning. Browsing, apps, video consuming etc, were just great on that nice, responsive, 9.7" IPS display.
Despite that it became a lot better with new hardware and software.
Besides, iOS 4 with multitasking was the real breakthrough.
edit: I'm sorry to bump this thread though, there's 2 perfectly valid threads to discuss the Apple Watch.
$16 million for Pebble Time says otherwise about that market. You underestimate the smartwatch and its growing fanbase, particularly thanks to the growing social trend of fitness.
with 65,177 backers, as of now.
so essentially 65.000 individual customers pre-ordering around 80 - 100k watches.
It sounds massive, but it's still not a huge impact if we're talking globally. the pebble ist still a niche product supported by a bunch of pretty diehard enthusiasts. For a second generation device, 100.000 pre-orders worldwide isn't that monumental.
$16 million isn't a market for Apple. They made $16 million every 30 minutes last quarter.
That is true, but every market has to start somewhere. I believe smartwatches are going to be a great piece of supplementary wear to the smartphone, and will be an ever-evolving tech that may even govern some smartphone changes.
HD TV's started off being bought by diehard enthusiasts and nowadays such a thing is so commonplace. When we know the tech is useful and cuts down on time society very quickly latches onto it. As I mentioned, just look at the health wristbands and how quickly they've become a big thing.
Of course, though they wouldn't be looking to jump into a market that wasn't going to make them money or be an influential part of building that market.
So you understand then why this market is unestablished and hasn't taken hold then? Both the revenue and unit numbers are minuscule.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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I still don't see the use of smartwatches. I will wait for phones I can wear on my wrist.
something like this:
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i have no doubts that wearables will be a lucrative market (not as much as smartphones are, though) and that the AppleWatch will sell really well. (I'll get one at release because i'm super curious and it doesn't cost a fortune)
i was just pretty much pointing out that the Pebble, is a cute, but completely irrelevant player in this currently cute but still irrelevant market. Your example of Pebble's Kickstarter success does not really support any claims of the smartwatch market not still being stuck in its infancy.
Phones were a proven market.
I don't think there's a market for smartwatches today. Period.
We'll see. But Apple fails sometimes too - the Apple TV is objectively a disaster, Ping, Apple Maps etc etc.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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the Apple TV is a great product. I am using one for over 2 years and I'm satisfied with it. But as always with Apple, it sucks that it's a closed system.
I only bought it for Airplaying all by content to my tv and it works very well.
source?
also, there wasn't a market for tablets when the iPad was introduced. And while the tablet market didn't cannibalize the PC market as much as some would have thought, it's still significant nowadays.
Also, while phones were a proven market. smartphones weren't. The fact that a tiny player (in relation to the phone industry as a whole) like blackberry was somewhat synonymous with smartphones is really telling how unimportant smartphones were back then.
Similarly watches are a proven market. smartwatches aren't ... yet
Ninja Kn1ght
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I don't see any way that it can be called a disaster. Sure, it isn't selling iPhone numbers but it's been selling consistently well despite very few updates. Just last year they bumped it up to the main navigation bar on http://store.apple.com/us for the first time and upgraded it from a "hobby" to a real business. It seems like the next major Apple TV release is being help up by business negotiations with content providers, but I can see some big developments in its future.
Bjomesphat
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Makes sense to me. Smartwatches are a brand new market and Apple doesn't want people to be soured on it because they're using 3rd party apps that are poorly designed for smartwatch implementation. Once Apple demonstrates how it's done they will slowly open it up to 3rd parties.
Andrew Ryan
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I'll let the early adopters beta test this for an year then I'll jump in 2016
There was always enormous potential for the smartphone. A portable internet device could change the world if somebody could create the proper implementation. And Apple did.
What's the potential for a smart watch though? I have trouble seeing the appeal beyond a few conveniences and some health-statistics.
What's the potential for a smart watch though? I have trouble seeing the appeal beyond a few conveniences and some health-statistics.
jts
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Being a wearable the potential comes from the opportunities created by having a device that is always on you.
the most reasonable, yet most boring approach to new tech!
"the iPad is just a big iPod touch"
people often forget how much "where and how you wear something" (ergonomics) have an influence to its applications. - we're blinded by boiling things down to components and functionality.
a GoPro is "just a small form factor wide angle camera that you can stick to things". still it was a gamechanger. A tablet is "just a touchscreen computer that you can put in your purse or read in bed or on the couch"
i can't tell you the killer app of wearables yet, but i'm sure someone smart will come up with one.
It's definitely a niche, made even more of a niche by the fact that most people who this thing is targeted at already have something in their pocket that offers the same functionality, plus a lot more. For me personally, I'd be open to a good smart watch, but the Apple device isn't that. It loses right out of the gate for me simply because it's ugly as shit.
They also said big phones would never be popular. Apple says lots of dumb shit. As do a lot of companies.
i personally don't believe that at the release of iOS 1.0 they were so utterly blind to the possibility of native apps.
I do believe a company like Apple does have a roadmap that goes further than 1 year.
They're doing a similar thing with the AppleWatch, but this time they're more transparent with the roadmap instead of cockily claiming "second screen to your iPhone" being all you needed a watch to do.
Andrew Ryan
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the most reasonable, yet most boring approach to new tech!
"the iPad is just a big iPod touch"
people often forget how much "where and how you wear something" (ergonomics) have an influence to its applications.
a GoPro is "just a small form factor wide angle camera that you can stick to things". still it was a gamechanger.
i can't tell you the killer app of wearables yet, but i'm sure someone smart will come up with one.
I feel the iPad was a massive success because of the "bigger is better" trend that was untapped, and the fact that 99% of what people did with their laptops they could easily do with an iPad so the purchase was easy. The Apple Watch I'm not so sure, I wear a watch everyday and I can't see myself wanting to look at the dial for anything else but the time. But we will see what Apple does to convince us on Monday, because they haven't done so yet for me. Millions will still run to apple stores to buy it day 1 regardless
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